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brianvf
10-01-2009, 11:11 PM
VandeVelde is going to have a monster year.

Siouxfaninseattle
10-01-2009, 11:20 PM
VandeVelde is going to have a monster year.

Genoway will, too. BTW, change your sig!

brianvf
10-01-2009, 11:41 PM
Genoway will, too. BTW, change your sig!

Ok. :)

Siouxfaninseattle
10-01-2009, 11:42 PM
Ok. :)

Better. Not great, but better. :D ;)

umassfan49
10-02-2009, 01:36 AM
Brad Miller time season 2 is officially underway. Good to see Cory Feinhage on the show after he was the only player not to make an appearance last year..I love that new floor too.

omahasioux1
10-02-2009, 03:11 AM
Arrgghh - I guess we'll have to plan for the Shot invasion next year. :(Sounds like a plan. In GF for the home opener, I will be in the owners suite on Saturday.:D

omahasioux1
10-02-2009, 03:14 AM
Sounds like Frattin is working towards returning to UND next season:

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/135366That would be nice.

PCM
10-02-2009, 09:36 AM
That would be Spirit Lake's resolution, but I don't understand why a "perpetual" agreement doesn't satisfy the 30 year requirement.
Because the same tribal council or a new tribal council can decide to withdraw that support at any time for any reason. So while the Spirit Lake resolution likely satisfies the NCAA, it doesn't come close to meeting the board's requirement for a legally binding 30-year agreement.

Sloe Gin
10-02-2009, 10:49 AM
Because the same tribal council or a new tribal council can decide to withdraw that support at any time for any reason. So while the Spirit Lake resolution likely satisfies the NCAA, it doesn't come close to meeting the board's requirement for a legally binding 30-year agreement.

so bottom line here...are we still screwed?

PCM
10-02-2009, 02:49 PM
so bottom line here...are we still screwed?
Quite possibly. :(

Dirty
10-02-2009, 02:55 PM
If Standing Rock approves use of the nickname but they and Spirit Lake haven't given a 30 year contract and UND drops the nickname, the SBoHE can go **** themselves.

The SBoHE, UND and generally just about every goddam person who could do anything, has done jack****. So if they are going to sit around jacking off and refusing to do something, they can all **** off and rot in hell. I say bull**** to all this supposed behind the scenes stuff. To the every day person, it appears they haven't done a dam thing. Unless they show otherwise, screw them as I and many others will blame them for being spineless lazy arse pieces of ****.

PCM
10-02-2009, 03:02 PM
If Standing Rock approves use of the nickname but they and Spirit Lake haven't given a 30 year contract and UND drops the nickname, the SBoHE can go **** themselves.

The SBoHE, UND and generally just about every goddam person who could do anything, has done jack****. So if they are going to sit around jacking off and refusing to do something, they can all **** off and rot in hell.
You don't seem as enthused about UND getting into the Summit Conference and playing Minnesota in football as you're supposed to be. :o

Dirty
10-02-2009, 03:11 PM
If these ********s actually appeared to be doing anything, I just might be enthused, but from everything I've seen they haven't done a dam thing. The SBoHE appears to be like a person who has a house he rents out next to a body of water. The water has been rising for the last couple years and he needs to put up sandbags in an attempt to keep their house from flooding. Instead though he doesn't put up a single sandbag because he already assume their house will flood no matter what. He doesn't care one way or the other if his house floods or not. All the renters offer to help, but he refuses. It's his house that they are renting out and he can do whatever he wants.

PCM
10-02-2009, 05:28 PM
If these ********s actually appeared to be doing anything, I just might be enthused, but from everything I've seen they haven't done a dam thing.
Not that I'm all that enthused about the situation myself, but what is it that should have been done that wasn't? After the NCAA settlement, an offer was made to negotiate a deal with the tribes at the highest levels of government. The tribal leaders said almost immediately -- in no uncertain terms -- that they wouldn't even consider negotiating.

So whose fault was that? Years were wasted because the tribal leaders were content to let the clock run out on the deadlines set by the NCAA settlement. The effort to retain the name at Spirit Lake gained momentum when the state board set deadlines that moved the timetable up.

Also note that to satisfy North Dakota's settlement with the NCAA, Spirit Lake didn't need a referendum or a new resolution supporting the Fighting Sioux nickname. All the tribal council needed to do was reafirm the resolution it passed back in 2000. How difficult would that have been if tribal leaders at Spirit Lake had chosen to do it? But they didn't. Whose fault was that?

The Standing Rock tribal council banned holding a referendum on the reservation similar to the one Spirit Lake held. The tribal chairman said that even if a referendum was held, it woudn't mean anything. What was UND or the state board supposed to do about that?

At this point, I don't know how UND can reconcile keeping the Fighting Sioux nickname and being successful in Division I. Even if UND gets the 30-year agreements from both tribes that it wants, it doesn't mean that anyone has to admit UND to a conference and it doesn't mean that other schools have to play UND. All they see is the ongoing controversy attached to the nickname and the bad publicity it brought when Texas Tech played UND.

It's a mess, and I don't envy anyone trying to find a solution.

The Sicatoka
10-02-2009, 05:47 PM
The tribal leaders said almost immediately -- in no uncertain terms -- that they wouldn't even consider negotiating.

You can't negotiate when the chairs on the other side of the table are empty.

We have a glimmer of hope with the recent elections, but far from a guarantee that this new council will come to the table, much less let their own constituent vote on the matter.

If they choose to keep operating like North Korea ...

Siouxfaninseattle
10-02-2009, 11:53 PM
Not that I'm all that enthused about the situation myself, but what is it that should have been done that wasn't? After the NCAA settlement, an offer was made to negotiate a deal with the tribes at the highest levels of government. The tribal leaders said almost immediately -- in no uncertain terms -- that they wouldn't even consider negotiating.

So whose fault was that? Years were wasted because the tribal leaders were content to let the clock run out on the deadlines set by the NCAA settlement. The effort to retain the name at Spirit Lake gained momentum when the state board set deadlines that moved the timetable up.

Also note that to satisfy North Dakota's settlement with the NCAA, Spirit Lake didn't need a referendum or a new resolution supporting the Fighting Sioux nickname. All the tribal council needed to do was reafirm the resolution it passed back in 2000. How difficult would that have been if tribal leaders at Spirit Lake had chosen to do it? But they didn't. Whose fault was that?

The Standing Rock tribal council banned holding a referendum on the reservation similar to the one Spirit Lake held. The tribal chairman said that even if a referendum was held, it woudn't mean anything. What was UND or the state board supposed to do about that?

At this point, I don't know how UND can reconcile keeping the Fighting Sioux nickname and being successful in Division I. Even if UND gets the 30-year agreements from both tribes that it wants, it doesn't mean that anyone has to admit UND to a conference and it doesn't mean that other schools have to play UND. All they see is the ongoing controversy attached to the nickname and the bad publicity it brought when Texas Tech played UND.

It's a mess, and I don't envy anyone trying to find a solution.

The point of other schools deciding they won't play UND and the issue of being admitted to a conference will override any referendums that the tribes may hold. It may very well happen that the tribes grant their approval for the use of the Fighting Sioux name and the board of education still decide that they won't approve of the continued use of the nickname because of the PC cops that patrol the Summit Conference and other schools (insert name here) that find it quite acceptable to play the FSUs of the world yet won't play UND. Pure BS.

Dirty
10-03-2009, 10:44 AM
UND women probably had the biggest win in the programs history last night beating Wisconsin (http://www.fightingsioux.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=204806380) in Madison 2-0.

Sloe Gin
10-03-2009, 11:52 AM
UND women probably had the biggest win in the programs history last night beating Wisconsin (http://www.fightingsioux.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=204806380) in Madison 2-0.

I stand by my statement that girls can't play hockey

brianvf
10-04-2009, 11:48 AM
Holy crap, the offseason is over. :eek:
About frickin time!!


I stand by my statement that girls can't play hockey

Quiz just hit you, didn't she?

brianvf
10-04-2009, 04:42 PM
Article on MacWilliam, Blood, and Fienhage:

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/135921