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seaturtle
08-27-2009, 11:48 PM
One MCHA team will be the first to represent the league in the NCAA tournament...the qualifying game will be at Arrington Ice Arena in Adrian Michigan with the MCHA Championship game.

Lake Forest is on a Canadian recruiting tear...
Lawrence is looking to continue to be an impact team.
Finlandia looking to rebuild
MSOE....:confused:
Marian should be in contention
Adrian supporters will chime in..
and the rest......

AVFC
08-28-2009, 09:37 AM
You need to give credit where credit is due and acknowledge Adrian as the clear front runner at this point. I can only see them losing if they roll through the MCHA all season long and decide to take the Harris Cup off. It certainly is possible, but I still don't think that is where the smart money would be played. The rest of the MCHA will be much better this season, but still not on par with Adrian just yet.

Who will be playing Adrian in the finals? I think it is nearly impossible to predict at this point.

MSOE and Finlandia: we haven't heard much about what these guys have been doing this offseason. This seems to be the mo for MSOE.
Marian: recruiting picked up late and it now appears that they certainly have some talent coming in. The jury may still be out on their goaltending situation. It will be interesting to see how their freshmen defensemen hold up as well.
Lawrence: not a massive recruiting class, but then again this young bunch didn't have all that much to replace.
Lake Forest: I have no idea what to make of LF with this massive recruiting class. There must be more to this story than typical graduation and attrition.

In the end I expect MSOE, Marian, Lawrence and LF to be very, very competitive with one another all season long. I would reserve judgment on Finlandia until more is known.

davinchi
08-28-2009, 10:17 AM
this is my guess about LFC:
their coach is ready to retire within a few years so he loads up to try and win the league and get to the n-c-2-a's before he rides off into the sunset. winning the mcha is actually a possibility whereas the ncha was not. you have to worry about beating one above average team in adrian instead of 4 national contenders.

after a thousand or so years being loyal to the college they open up some "need based" monies to repay him for his service. maybe some extra help to get some players before he calls it a day. I could be wrong (not the first time) but that is my educated guess.

NorthernLite
08-28-2009, 11:13 AM
. you have to worry about beating one above average team in adrian instead of 4 national contenders.

. I could be wrong (not the first time) but that is my educated guess.

.......you're only wrong in differentiating the 4 NCHA teams as "national contenders" and Adrian as "above average". ... ;) ;)

davinchi
08-28-2009, 03:24 PM
The NCHA is the ECAC West but with ethical standards (if that was too harsh -allow me to be more politically correct by saying they are more in line with the NCAA DIII Philosophy than the ECAC West's members). I am not saying Adrian isn't good but they are not St. Norberts. Adrian would actually be a great fit for the ECAC West philosophically.

elbojpb
08-28-2009, 04:09 PM
The NCHA is the ECAC West but with ethical standardsWow ... you paint with a fairly broad brush.

NorthernLite
08-28-2009, 07:34 PM
The NCHA is the ECAC West but with ethical standards (if that was too harsh -allow me to be more politically correct by saying they are more in line with the NCAA DIII Philosophy than the ECAC West's members). I am not saying Adrian isn't good but they are not St. Norberts. Adrian would actually be a great fit for the ECAC West philosophically.

...this is really rich .....and political too, .....so good for you !!:)
With this kind of insight you should apply for a spot on the DIII selection committee.;)

If you aren't sure ...I can tell you that Adrian is very good, and I can agree with you that they aren't St. NorbertS. To be honest .....I didn't know there was a St. NorbertS :p

davinchi
08-28-2009, 11:32 PM
you got me. St. Norbert it is.

all i meant with my broad stroke/mini rant was that from a distance it seems like the Ecac west is so ultra competitive that they get the maximum flex out of the rules like players do from their composite sticks. also, unless I stand corrected, State schools do not have the ability to get creative with their financial aid like the private institutions.

bayliner2555
08-29-2009, 06:59 AM
you got me. St. Norbert it is.

all i meant with my broad stroke/mini rant was that from a distance it seems like the Ecac west is so ultra competitive that they get the maximum flex out of the rules like players do from their composite sticks. also, unless I stand corrected, State schools do not have the ability to get creative with their financial aid like the private institutions.
Are you , by some stretch of the imagination, talking about a team of young men playing ice hockey?:confused:

norm1909
08-29-2009, 07:45 AM
..., unless I stand corrected, State schools do not have the ability to get creative with their financial aid like the private institutions.

Note, NCAA (and ACHA) rules are very clear in that athletes can NOT be given any preferential treatment merely because they are athletes and no even half competent school (public or private) official would try to directly circumvent those rules.

That said, there is nothing wrong with athletic departments "getting creative" with their recruiting, that is to say, making maximum utilization of the schools financial aid packages that are available to every student.

A couple of examples:

As evidenced on many threads on this forum, under the official guise of creating "diversity, inclusion and pluralism" of their student bodies, many institutions offer "international scholarships", (includes Canada) and there is nothing in the rules that prevent athletic departments from utilizing these scholarships to lure potential athletes.

Also, most institutions offer financial aid to targeted groups that add to that institutions mission, one that comes to mind, is the State University of New York's Educational Opportunity Program (http://www.suny.edu/student/academic_eop.cfm) (EOP). Quoting from their website, "provides access, academic support, and financial aid to students who show promise for mastering college-level work, but who may otherwise not be admitted. Offered primarily to full-time students who are New York State residents, EOP accepts students who qualify, academically and economically, for the program" and " EOP is designed for students who need special academic assistance as well as financial aid."
Additionally - "Income Guidelines Also Do Not Apply If...
•The student’s family is the recipient of Family Assistance or Safety Net payments through the New York State Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance; or through a county Department of Social Services; or Family Day Care payments through the New York State Office of Children and Family Assistance;
•The student lives with foster parents who do not provide support for college and the student’s natural parents provide no such support;
•The student is a ward of the state or county."

As is evidenced by the above, this program inherently (though NOT exclusively) targets New York's inner-city youth, and is widely used by SUNY's basketball programs to entice (and get accepted) potential athletes, as well as any other athlete who meets the programs guidelines.

PSUChamps2001
08-29-2009, 09:09 AM
If you aren't sure ...I can tell you that Adrian is very good, and I can agree with you that they aren't St. NorbertS. To be honest .....I didn't know there was a St. NorbertS :p

Maybe they are as good as Plattsburg.......:D I hear that team is pretty good.

Hammer
08-29-2009, 09:14 AM
Yeah, Plattsburgs isn't too bad. :p

elbojpb
08-29-2009, 10:17 AM
... the Ecac west is so ultra competitive that they get the maximum flex out of the rules like players do from their composite sticks ...Please consider that the recent success of the 'ultra competitive' could possibly be due to the college's committment to ice hockey and the quality of coaching, and not to your inferred bending of ethical standards. Additionally, the tuition rate and endowments at privates, compared to SUNY, allows them to offer proportionally more aid.

Most SUNY schools {especially lately} are hamstrung with budgets, and what can be offered as salaries, while private institutions can invest what they deem appropriate to be competitive. Many (private) institutions use the success of a sports program to "sell' their school to non athletes and invest accordingly.

NorthernLite
08-29-2009, 10:33 AM
Maybe they are as good as Plattsburg.......:D I hear that team is pretty good.

Would be fun to watch and find out !;)

altazo
08-29-2009, 11:16 AM
this is my guess about LFC:
their coach is ready to retire within a few years so he loads up to try and win the league and get to the n-c-2-a's before he rides off into the sunset.

Coach Tony Fritz and LFC have been in the NCAA tournament before. In the late eighties early nineties at least once, perhaps more than that. Could just be before you knew what hockey was.

LFC switched to the MCHA to play against schools more similar academically and size wise (the NCHA exceptions being SNC and CSS). Most of the MCHA schools are also closer geographically.

Wormser-PointRC
08-29-2009, 11:37 AM
...this is really rich .....and political too, .....so good for you !!:)
With this kind of insight you should apply for a spot on the DIII selection committee.;)

If you aren't sure ...I can tell you that Adrian is very good, and I can agree with you that they aren't St. NorbertS. To be honest .....I didn't know there was a St. NorbertS :p

No, he's right, it's St. Norberts.

iDangledYourMom
08-29-2009, 06:50 PM
.......you're only wrong in differentiating the 4 NCHA teams as "national contenders" and Adrian as "above average". ... ;) ;)

Can we agree to the middle ground of four 'national contenders' in the NCHA and Adrian is a fantastic 'unproven' team with one cocky athletic department and coach behind them?

With the AQ and all, we are putting this thing to bed after this season right? :cool:

Rayolite
08-29-2009, 08:14 PM
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With the AQ and all, we are putting this thing to bed after this season right? :cool:[/QUOTE]

Gee, I thought that AQ meant "Adrian Qualifies". :D If they don't, how many "Fire Fogarty" threads will there be?:confused:

bakdraft21
08-29-2009, 08:37 PM
well come the beginning of Jan we will have a fun game @ Oswego vs Adrian...should b interesting, only thing is the students will b out on J term..

Rayolite
08-29-2009, 10:46 PM
well come the beginning of Jan we will have a fun game @ Oswego vs Adrian...should b interesting, only thing is the students will b out on J term..

Oh, yeah! Will be well worth the price of admission for sure. Hopefully, both teams will show some first half success and beat the publicity drum to fill the seats anyway.