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Hokydad
06-17-2010, 11:12 AM
"as big of a recruiting coup as you will ever see. "


An NHL draft pick would fall into that catagory, not a 20 year old playing in a league with a lot of 17-19 year olds. If it was a Schwartz, Brickley etc, maybe. Good luck to him, from all accountsa great kid.

USHL has many kids who stay until 19/20 and load up on points. That does not translate to similar results in D 1.

Just look at Andrew Miller, 5 goals at Yale, Mike Cichy, 2 goals at North Dakota, Mike Seidel from UMD, 5 goals, Kirt Hill, Brandon Richardson etc

All solid players but by no means difference makers at D 1 level, outside maybe Miller.

He is a nice solid pickup but not going to replace Stepan by any means, nor would he replace Murray, Gardiner or Lee. All who have played 2 years at Wisc while the new player was in juniors, the exact same age playing against 16 or 17 year olds.

This is not an apples to apples comparison.

Ralph Baer
06-17-2010, 11:33 AM
The name of Steven Beyers doesn't seem to have been mentioned in this thread. According to this interview (at about 1:50) http://www.fan590.com/media.jsp?content=20100516_113236_4632, Wisconsin and RPI are currently on top of his list. Since the interview, he was drafted by Fargo in the USHL. Did I miss something here?

Chuck Schwartz
06-17-2010, 11:47 AM
"as big of a recruiting coup as you will ever see. "


An NHL draft pick would fall into that catagory, not a 20 year old playing in a league with a lot of 17-19 year olds. If it was a Schwartz, Brickley etc, maybe. Good luck to him, from all accountsa great kid.

USHL has many kids who stay until 19/20 and load up on points. That does not translate to similar results in D 1.

Just look at Andrew Miller, 5 goals at Yale, Mike Cichy, 2 goals at North Dakota, Mike Seidel from UMD, 5 goals, Kirt Hill, Brandon Richardson etc

All solid players but by no means difference makers at D 1 level, outside maybe Miller.

He is a nice solid pickup but not going to replace Stepan by any means, nor would he replace Murray, Gardiner or Lee. All who have played 2 years at Wisc while the new player was in juniors, the exact same age playing against 16 or 17 year olds.

This is not an apples to apples comparison.

Read my entire quote dood. I said AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME. Stepan unexpectedly bolting leaves us with 13 forwards and in dire straights. In the situation we were in, AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME, it doesn't get any better than this.

No one is confusing the kid with Gretzky. Jeeeez.:rolleyes:

Hokydad
06-17-2010, 11:53 AM
Read my entire quote dood. I said AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME. Stepan unexpectedly bolting leaves us with 13 forwards and in dire straights. In the situation we were in, AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME, it doesn't get any better than this.

No one is confusing the kid with Gretzky. Jeeeez.:rolleyes:

Fair enough dude....

RinkRatEO
06-17-2010, 12:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering how many coaches would pull something like this. I get that the Ivies don't use a letter of intent, so there's nothing illegal about what's going on here. That said, it's hard for me to imagine a Red Berenson or Jerry York doing the same sort of thing.

Of course, a lot of this is me putting the Dartmouth alum hat on and feeling burned, and I suppose the same part of me would be laughing its *** off had this happened with a Harvard recruit instead, but school allegiances aside, I have a feeling that this is opening up a pretty good-sized can of worms, and is not a good development overall.

Chuck Schwartz
06-17-2010, 12:08 PM
Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering how many coaches would pull something like this. I get that the Ivies don't use a letter of intent, so there's nothing illegal about what's going on here. That said, it's hard for me to imagine a Red Berenson or Jerry York doing the same sort of thing.

Of course, a lot of this is me putting the Dartmouth alum hat on and feeling burned, and I suppose the same part of me would be laughing its *** off had this happened with a Harvard recruit instead, but school allegiances aside, I have a feeling that this is opening up a pretty good-sized can of worms, and is not a good development overall.

It's happened to us twice recently. Denver stole Patrick Wiercoich and Minnesota stole Nate Hagemo.When coaches jobs and livelihoods are on the line, do what you can within the rules. Recruit until they are on campus or signed a LOI.

The school they are committed to needs to keep recruiting the player even after they have verballed. Many schools ignore kids once they verbal.

This happens in football and basketball all the time. Hockey should be no different.

dggoddard
06-17-2010, 12:23 PM
Can't fault Wisconsin or Eaves on this one, but you have to feel for the Ivy crowd at the same time.

The player is going to play in front of his family at the Kohl Center, so likely a dream come true. Giving up the Ivy experience shouldn't be dismissed quickly. The kid has made a life changing decision. Could go either way.

RinkPig
06-17-2010, 12:24 PM
It's happened to us twice recently. Denver stole Patrick Wiercoich and Minnesota stole Nate Hagemo.When coaches jobs and livelihoods are on the line, do what you can within the rules. Recruit until they are on campus or signed a LOI.

The school they are committed to needs to keep recruiting the player even after they have verballed. Many schools ignore kids once they verbal.

This happens in football and basketball all the time. Hockey should be no different.

Chuck - I bet this is what you said when Hagemo choose Minny too... it should be no different than basketball and football. My guess is you were doing your usual crying though. Let's make one thing clear though, Hagemo was an Edina kid, so Lucia hardly "stole" him...he wasn't born in that hickville you call Wisconsin.

Everyone knows Eaves is as dirty as they come when it comes to these sorts of things...just like when he pulls scholarships from kids who don't produce to his liking! Have fun finishing in the bottom of the league this year! You guys won't win 12 games with your current roster.

Hammy
06-17-2010, 12:26 PM
Minnesota stole Nate Hagemo.

This is not really true if you are comparing it to this latest UW situation. Hagemo was not being contacted when he decommitted. He called Lucia and said he was thinking of opening up his recruitment again. Lucia told Hagemo he had to call Eaves (and I believe Lucia did as well) to tell him all of this before Lucia would do anything.

GreatLakerMohawk
06-17-2010, 12:28 PM
Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering how many coaches would pull something like this. I get that the Ivies don't use a letter of intent, so there's nothing illegal about what's going on here. That said, it's hard for me to imagine a Red Berenson or Jerry York doing the same sort of thing.

Of course, a lot of this is me putting the Dartmouth alum hat on and feeling burned, and I suppose the same part of me would be laughing its *** off had this happened with a Harvard recruit instead, but school allegiances aside, I have a feeling that this is opening up a pretty good-sized can of worms, and is not a good development overall.

The Ivy League isn't exactly a raging pack of recruiting angels, just talk to Ted Donato.

MaizeRage
06-17-2010, 12:28 PM
It's not that players are leaving, it's the timing of the pursuit.

Yeah, it's a total dick move to steal a player off a college roster this late in the summer.

Oh...

Hokydad
06-17-2010, 12:33 PM
The Ivy League isn't exactly a raging pack of recruiting angels, just talk to Ted Donato.

Ted is as honorable as they come. Can you provide exhibit A please...

ExileOnDaytonStreet
06-17-2010, 12:37 PM
Yeah, it's a total dick move to steal a player off a college roster this late in the summer.

Oh...

Huh? Oh, Robbie Earl.

He backed out on a verbal, right? Not quite the same. If Earl had signed a LOI at Michigan, then you might have something.

Ralph Baer
06-17-2010, 12:39 PM
Ted is as honorable as they come. Can you provide exhibit A please...

Chris H*****y :)

GreatLakerMohawk
06-17-2010, 12:45 PM
Ted is as honorable as they come. Can you provide exhibit A please...

Chris Huxley. Committed to RPI and when coach Dan Fridgen wasn't retained he managed to find his way to Harvard somehow. Go figure.

MaizeRage
06-17-2010, 12:46 PM
Huh? Oh, Robbie Earl.


No, I was referring to the fact that last week in Wisconsin it was a tragedy when players that teams were counting on for next season leave unexpectedly late into the summer. This week, it doesn't seem to be as big of a deal.

ScoobyDoo
06-17-2010, 12:47 PM
Minnesota stole Nate Hagemo.

Why spread falsehoods? Just not true.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
06-17-2010, 12:50 PM
No, I was referring to the fact that last week in Wisconsin it was a tragedy when players that teams were counting on for next season leave unexpectedly. This week, it doesn't seem to be as big of a deal.

I don't know if the reaction was really that black and white.

The "you're not done recruiting them until they're on campus" idiom comes into play here.

So does the fact that the Rangers would have wanted to pull Stepan out of UW and send him to Major Junior if they thought he wouldn't make the club.

Chuck Schwartz
06-17-2010, 12:51 PM
Why spread falsehoods? Just not true.

Whatever, he was committed to Wisconsin and decommitted to go to Minnesota. Now he's a crack head.

RinkRatEO
06-17-2010, 12:53 PM
So does the fact that the Rangers would have wanted to pull Stepan out of UW and send him to Major Junior if they thought he wouldn't make the club.

Do you have a link on that?