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Slap Shot
08-27-2009, 04:00 PM
I may have to stop donating $$ to Minnetonka if this trend continues. First Gardiner and now Hesketh (yes, I realize he committed awhile back). :mad:

MaizeRage
08-27-2009, 04:12 PM
How does value to his team affect recruit rankings?

The same way guys like Garrett Raboin and Kurt Davis make all-conference teams even though you could probably come up with 30 other players in the league with more talent than them. If a guy is super-talented, but sits in the stands for half his team's games, how good of a college hockey player is he?

brianvf
08-27-2009, 04:18 PM
I'd also rank Donovan as one of the top three or four recruits in the WCHA.

Lee #1
Donovan #2
Palmieri #3
Olsen #4
Leddy #5

Isn't Palmieri heading to the CCHA (Notre Dame)?

dggoddard
08-27-2009, 04:23 PM
Isn't Palmieri heading to the CCHA (Notre Dame)?Oh sure. Make me look bad by using details like that. :D

Chuck Schwartz
08-27-2009, 04:36 PM
The same way guys like Garrett Raboin and Kurt Davis make all-conference teams even though you could probably come up with 30 other players in the league with more talent than them. If a guy is super-talented, but sits in the stands for half his team's games, how good of a college hockey player is he?

Justin Schultz immediately steps into the UW lineup as the #5 defenseman. AT BEST Helgeson is the #6 at Minnesota behind Fairchild, Ness, Leddy, Lofquist and Wehrs. I still don't understand how Helgeson is more valuable, or rated higher.

Gandalf the Red
08-27-2009, 10:22 PM
Justin Schultz immediately steps into the UW lineup as the #5 defenseman. AT BEST Helgeson is the #6 at Minnesota behind Fairchild, Ness, Leddy, Lofquist and Wehrs. I still don't understand how Helgeson is more valuable, or rated higher.

I'm cool w/ Schultz being under the radar. He's this year's Jake Gardiner, a better defensive game who doesn't skate as well (who does?). He'll be an immediate contibutor to the team and we (as in Badger fans) can all look back and laugh at everyone else when he is on the All Rookie team w/ Dylan Olsen.

Comparing gopher dmen w/ Wisconsin dmen is like having a 100' length of rope when you are climbing down a 200' wall, the 100' rope looks useful, until you actually try to use it and realize all the actual good defensemen in your state decided to wear the Cardinal and White instead of falling to their death.

ScoobyDoo
08-28-2009, 08:26 AM
Justin Schultz immediately steps into the UW lineup as the #5 defenseman. AT BEST Helgeson is the #6 at Minnesota behind Fairchild, Ness, Leddy, Lofquist and Wehrs. I still don't understand how Helgeson is more valuable, or rated higher.

Errrrrr...........Wehrs is likely to be the odd man out when it all shakes out. Also you forgot Fischer.

Helgeson is going to get icetime.

markwojo
08-28-2009, 09:01 AM
I don't know about rating Helgeson ahead of Schultz, but in the end accolades and how many stars a recruiting evaluator decides to put next to someone's name matters very little relative to what the players actually produce on the ice when they get to their respective teams. I sort of figured Goro would have ended up better then Street out of their class or Bearson would have done more then Mitchell (who was a guy that came in the Spring before the first fall he skated for the Badgers because he had washed out of his 3rd USHL team in a year).

I follow the logic that a guy reputed as more of a defensive Dman could play a significant role for the rodents, and Schultz might find getting a handle on a role with the Badgers d corp a little tougher. In the end, I don't see Schultz not playing every night and having a prominent impact with UW. As far as PP time, I would not be suprised to see a Dman (Brendan Smith or Gardiner) slide up front at times given the strength of UW with blueline offensive talent and with injuries/WJC commitments...there will be plenty of oppurtunities.

I'm excited about the UW class coming in as far as impact both this year and in the coming years. Schultz, Lee, Ramage, Smith, & Bennett will contribute to varrying degrees this year (I think Bennett wins the #1 or at least co #1 in a platoon, Schultz & Smith end up in the lineup nightly in at least a best supporting actor role if not leading men, and Lee & Ramage play somewhere around half the time (at worst...and I would not be suprised to see much more out of both).

elbojpb
08-28-2009, 09:27 PM
Signs with Elmira of the ECHL - Press (http://www.jackalshockey.com/Newsroom.asp?ARTICLE3438=64804)

Chuck Schwartz
08-31-2009, 09:15 PM
Anyone else think that Justin Schultz is getting the short end of the stick on Western College Hockey? If you haven't been following, Chris has been ranking incoming recruits for this season in the CCHA and WCHA. He started at 1 and is going up, so far he's at 9 and there has been no mention of Schultz.

Am I over-valuing Justin Schultz or do I have a right to feel he's getting spurned here? I know the NHL draft is a bit of a crap shoot but he went before Derek Stepan in the 2008 NHL draft. He went only 1 pick behind Patrick Wiercoich. He went only a couple picks behind Aaron Ness, and only 6 picks behind Cody Goloubef. What gives?


Take my comments on Schultz, and add them to Craig Smith. I know Chris hates Eaves and Wisconsin but my goodness. Yeah...76 point USHL seasons are good enough for the #26 spot. :rolleyes: I really hope Craig and Justin see those rankings.

Slap Shot
08-31-2009, 09:25 PM
Take my comments on Schultz, and add them to Craig Smith. I know Chris hates Eaves and Wisconsin but my goodness. Yeah...76 point USHL seasons are good enough for the #26 spot. :rolleyes: I really hope Craig and Justin see those rankings.

Your recruits are better than Michigan's and their halos are even bigger than those in Grand Forks.

Dirty
08-31-2009, 09:35 PM
Your recruits are better than Michigan's and their halos are even bigger than those in Grand Forks.

They only wish.

DPlaya
09-05-2009, 04:26 PM
I learned today that UW forward recruit Mike Mersch is accelerating his schooling and will move from the recruiting class of 2011 to the recruiting class of 2010. It sounds as if the staff, at this time, is projecting him to be around 2-3 seasons before turning pro.

There are now 7 forward recruits for 2010....Lapic, Barnes, Dahl, Little, Zengerle, Hartzog and Mersch. Paape and Strang are for 2010 or 2011.

Chuck Schwartz
09-05-2009, 04:35 PM
I learned today that UW forward recruit Mike Mersch is accelerating his schooling and will move from the recruiting class of 2011 to the recruiting class of 2010. It sounds as if the staff, at this time, is projecting him to be around 2-3 seasons before turning pro.

There are now 7 forward recruits for 2010....Lapic, Barnes, Dahl, Little, Zengerle, Hartzog and Mersch. Paape and Strang are for 2010 or 2011.

Good stuff. That's an impressive forward class.

solovsfett
09-05-2009, 04:35 PM
I learned today that UW forward recruit Mike Mersch is accelerating his schooling and will move from the recruiting class of 2011 to the recruiting class of 2010. It sounds as if the staff, at this time, is projecting him to be around 2-3 seasons before turning pro.

There are now 7 forward recruits for 2010....Lapic, Barnes, Dahl, Little, Zengerle, Hartzog and Mersch. Paape and Strang are for 2010 or 2011.

Has his play improved markedly? I don't know much about this kid. Is he a sniper, playmaker, or grinder?

brianvf
09-05-2009, 05:00 PM
I really hope Craig and Justin see those rankings.

:D
Are you really taking the WCH "rankings" this seriously? :p


There are now 7 forward recruits for 2010....Lapic, Barnes, Dahl, Little, Zengerle, Hartzog and Mersch.

Wow, how many of those are projected to be starters their first year? Probably not the best thing to have half of your starting forwards be freshmen...

Chuck Schwartz
09-05-2009, 05:07 PM
:D
Are you really taking the WCH "rankings" this seriously? :p



Wow, how many of those are projected to be starters their first year? Probably not the best thing to have half of your starting forwards be freshmen...

We have a HUGE senior forward class. We have 7 senior forwards plus Stepan is a threat to leave at any moment.

Chuck Schwartz
09-05-2009, 05:09 PM
Has his play improved markedly? I don't know much about this kid. Is he a sniper, playmaker, or grinder?

POWER forward.

DPlaya
09-05-2009, 05:17 PM
Has his play improved markedly? I don't know much about this kid. Is he a sniper, playmaker, or grinder?

I have not had the chance to see him play, but he may be a little bit of all three. He is 6'1" and 198 pounds, so he should be able to hold his own in the corners. He was third in penalties (58 minutes) on the USNTDP U-17 team, so I would think it likely he has a physical aspect to his game.

He tied for the lead in goals with 27 in 65 games, 5 of which came on the powerplay and he lead the team with 7 game winners. He also had 19 assists, which put him in 4th place on the team for total points with 46. His average points per game was .71 overall and in international play.

At the beginning of last season I believe he was on the third line, but that may have changed based on how high his point totals ended up being.

Chuck Schwartz
09-05-2009, 05:27 PM
I have not had the chance to see him play, but he may be a little bit of all three. He is 6'1" and 198 pounds, so he should be able to hold his own in the corners. He was third in penalties (58 minutes) on the USNTDP U-17 team, so I would think it likely he has a physical aspect to his game.

He tied for the lead in goals with 27 in 65 games, 5 of which came on the powerplay and he lead the team with 7 game winners. He also had 19 assists, which put him in 4th place on the team for total points with 46. His average points per game was .71 overall and in international play.

At the beginning of last season I believe he was on the third line, but that may have changed based on how high his point totals ended up being.

He's up to 6'2, 200 this season. I saw him last year at the start of the season and fell in love. He was all over the ice making plays, throwing his body around. He obviously finds his name in the score sheet. He's going to be a good one. If he improves his skating, he could be a really good player.