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gfmorris
08-12-2009, 04:23 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-UAH-Hockey/124898983296?ref=mf

We're not dead yet.

GFM

4four4
08-12-2009, 06:21 PM
How about we save the CCHA?

I wonder how many teams are folding?

3 maybe 4

I would welcome back Michigan and MSU to the WCHA.

wsp67326
08-12-2009, 06:25 PM
I agree... what annoys me the most, however, is that the CCHA could have made a statement of "we're just not ready to make a decision right now" rather than flip us off. I know they didn't have to give an explanation, but the mystifying arrogance of the entire situation baffles me. If, for example, BGSU is seriously in jeopardy of going under, first, I understand why that wouldn't be made public by the league, but, second, that still leaves them with an 11-team outfit. Thus, after this season, there would be scheduling issues that they are ready and willing to deal with. So, even if that were the situation, and they don't want to make any moves until the BGSU issue settles, why not allow UAH in? Even if BGSU folds, that still leaves them with 11 teams, a number they are, currently, okay with. If BGSU doesn't fold, they have an even number to handle this easier. I can only surmise that this runs much deeper than that. I don't fault the UAF guy for giving some rationale for this blanket decision, and I think giving him grief for the lame excuses doesn't really help (why would anyone else now offer any reasons for this "acclamation"?), but I fail to see how the potential for opening up a region of the country that has been part of a lower-tier conference (okay, throwaways, to some folks) could be based upon such banal issues. Oh well; I will do my best to travel to see the guys as often as I can... can't wait to read Paula Weston's explanations to defend her conference.

JW Tigers
08-12-2009, 06:35 PM
I just joined...149 "fans" so far on the first day isn't half bad.

sbkbghockey
08-12-2009, 06:42 PM
I agree... what annoys me the most, however, is that the CCHA could have made a statement of "we're just not ready to make a decision right now" rather than flip us off. I know they didn't have to give an explanation, but the mystifying arrogance of the entire situation baffles me. If, for example, BGSU is seriously in jeopardy of going under, first, I understand why that wouldn't be made public by the league, but, second, that still leaves them with an 11-team outfit. Thus, after this season, there would be scheduling issues that they are ready and willing to deal with. So, even if that were the situation, and they don't want to make any moves until the BGSU issue settles, why not allow UAH in? Even if BGSU folds, that still leaves them with 11 teams, a number they are, currently, okay with. If BGSU doesn't fold, they have an even number to handle this easier. I can only surmise that this runs much deeper than that. I don't fault the UAF guy for giving some rationale for this blanket decision, and I think giving him grief for the lame excuses doesn't really help (why would anyone else now offer any reasons for this "acclamation"?), but I fail to see how the potential for opening up a region of the country that has been part of a lower-tier conference (okay, throwaways, to some folks) could be based upon such banal issues. Oh well; I will do my best to travel to see the guys as often as I can... can't wait to read Paula Weston's explanations to defend her conference.

it's not 100% yet but basically BG has been saved!! the unv just put money into the ice arena to start things going, hopefully soon the alumni support will get even more $$ flowing in. We also have an exciting new coaching staff and lots of young players to build a fresh start on...

It's a great post and makes sense but it might not be that deep, maybe the CCHA just gave a big "F You" to UAH!!

kdilks
08-12-2009, 06:45 PM
I agree... what annoys me the most, however, is that the CCHA could have made a statement of "we're just not ready to make a decision right now" rather than flip us off. I know they didn't have to give an explanation, but the mystifying arrogance of the entire situation baffles me. If, for example, BGSU is seriously in jeopardy of going under, first, I understand why that wouldn't be made public by the league, but, second, that still leaves them with an 11-team outfit. Thus, after this season, there would be scheduling issues that they are ready and willing to deal with. So, even if that were the situation, and they don't want to make any moves until the BGSU issue settles, why not allow UAH in? Even if BGSU folds, that still leaves them with 11 teams, a number they are, currently, okay with. If BGSU doesn't fold, they have an even number to handle this easier. I can only surmise that this runs much deeper than that. I don't fault the UAF guy for giving some rationale for this blanket decision, and I think giving him grief for the lame excuses doesn't really help (why would anyone else now offer any reasons for this "acclamation"?), but I fail to see how the potential for opening up a region of the country that has been part of a lower-tier conference (okay, throwaways, to some folks) could be based upon such banal issues. Oh well; I will do my best to travel to see the guys as often as I can... can't wait to read Paula Weston's explanations to defend her conference.

If BGSU folds, that would leave the CCHA with 10 teams after the departure of UNO to the WCHA.

GreatLakerMohawk
08-12-2009, 06:46 PM
153 now. Great move Geof.

wsp67326
08-12-2009, 07:03 PM
"If BGSU folds, that would leave the CCHA with 10 teams after the departure of UNO to the WCHA."

I know; the theoretical was if UAH was added, then it would have been 12 prior to BGSU's theoretical folding. My point was that if the CCHA were okay with 11 after this season, assuming BGSU stays afloat, and, of course, UNO leaves, then adding UAH would not be a stretch in terms of what the league implicitly stated was acceptable scheduling-wise were BGSU to then fold. IN other words, if UAH had been added after this season, with BGSU, you have 12 teams (comfortable schedule), and if BGSU folds (hopefully not, I must add), then the CCHA would have 11 teams. As it stands now, they have decided that 11 teams (again, assuming BGSU does not fold) is acceptable. Thus, that possible rationale for keeping UAH out baffles me.

wsummers
08-12-2009, 07:22 PM
In looking at this the only reason I can see for 3 or more CCHA schools not wanting UAH in is strictly financial.

Many of the schools would see UAH as a poor draw with few fans in the mid-west or that would travel to away games. With 10 or 11 teams there could be the possibility of filling the schedule with additional games against big draws (Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame) which guarantee a full arena. While travel costs wouldn't be much different from a trip to UNO, teams currently facing financial hardship could see this as an opportunity to trim costs.

Personally, as a CCHA follower, I'd have liked to see the CCHA do a scheduling arrangement with UAH for 1-2 years and then vote on whether or not to admit them. I honestly think that having quality home opponents would result in much higher attendance figures at UAH.

kdilks
08-12-2009, 07:45 PM
In looking at this the only reason I can see for 3 or more CCHA schools not wanting UAH in is strictly financial.

Many of the schools would see UAH as a poor draw with few fans in the mid-west or that would travel to away games. With 10 or 11 teams there could be the possibility of filling the schedule with additional games against big draws (Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame) which guarantee a full arena. While travel costs wouldn't be much different from a trip to UNO, teams currently facing financial hardship could see this as an opportunity to trim costs.

Personally, as a CCHA follower, I'd have liked to see the CCHA do a scheduling arrangement with UAH for 1-2 years and then vote on whether or not to admit them. I honestly think that having quality home opponents would result in much higher attendance figures at UAH.

I don't think there's any way to fill out the schedule with additional games against big draws to cancel out adding UAH. The bottom line is every weekend a "big draw" plays UAH is one weekend they're not playing a current CCHA member.

HoosierBBall_GopherHockey
08-12-2009, 08:16 PM
I don't think there's any way to fill out the schedule with additional games against big draws to cancel out adding UAH. The bottom line is every weekend a "big draw" plays UAH is one weekend they're not playing a current CCHA member.

Well, you might as well get rid of Bowling Green, Ferris State, Western Michigan, and LSSU too. In fact, why not just trim college hockey down to 19 teams? Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Colorado College, Denver, SCSU, UMD, Boston, BC, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Miami, Cornell, and Harvard. That way, nobody will ever have to worry about not getting a "big draw" opponent, and we can "trim the fat" and get rid of programs like Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, LSSU, Bowling Green, and other programs that have won national championships but don't draw the crowds.
As has been stated a hundred times on this website, UAH joining the CCHA would have likely made it more intriguing for better recruits, leading to UAH becoming a better program, and potentially leading other programs in non-mainstream hockey areas of the country to start up D-1 hockey. Blah blah blah, people get the point. By telling programs like UAH "We're not even thinking about bringing you in, the answer is no", it discourages growth. I for one would like to see college hockey expand.

SCSU Euro
08-12-2009, 08:28 PM
I for one would like to see college hockey expand.

Right now, I don't even wanna see expansion... I'm happy with retention.

Beer Pong Horn
08-12-2009, 08:50 PM
Well, you might as well get rid of Bowling Green, Ferris State, Western Michigan, and LSSU too. In fact, why not just trim college hockey down to 19 teams? Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Colorado College, Denver, SCSU, UMD, Boston, BC, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Miami, Cornell, and Harvard. That way, nobody will ever have to worry about not getting a "big draw" opponent, and we can "trim the fat" and get rid of programs like Michigan Tech, Northern Michigan, LSSU, Bowling Green, and other programs that have won national championships but don't draw the crowds.
As has been stated a hundred times on this website, UAH joining the CCHA would have likely made it more intriguing for better recruits, leading to UAH becoming a better program, and potentially leading other programs in non-mainstream hockey areas of the country to start up D-1 hockey. Blah blah blah, people get the point. By telling programs like UAH "We're not even thinking about bringing you in, the answer is no", it discourages growth. I for one would like to see college hockey expand.

Just had a dream (nightmare) about this last night, actually - in it, the NCAA canceled the grandfathering rule, reinstated D-II hockey and there were only 16 teams left in all of D-1 NCAA hockey. I woke up while being escorted out of the Frozen Four by police, after I told off an entire section of Big Name School (c) fans when one said, "Oh, I'm glad it's just our teams now, no one cares about those ****ty schools." :mad:

The lack of vision the CCHA showed by not bringing in UAH, a highly-regarded school with very wealthy alumni (many are honest-to-God rocket scientists) who are often originally from northern states, in an area much less affected by the economic slowdown and more easily able to spare money for hockey, not to mention a completely new and fertile part of the country, is staggering.

huskyfan
08-12-2009, 08:50 PM
as a WCHA fan, I've always thought the CCHA sucks. this decision confirms it!

SCSU Euro
08-12-2009, 08:53 PM
Any chance all the CCHA ADs are on these forums all the time and got sick and tired of us calling the watered-down CCHA the CupCake Hockey Association and so that's why they gave UAH the cold shoulder? :confused:

quiddlet
08-12-2009, 09:26 PM
I'm in... let us know if there's anything we can actually do more than joining a facebook group, calls... letters... whatever!

Goon
08-12-2009, 09:36 PM
I'm in... let us know if there's anything we can actually do more than joining a facebook group, calls... letters... whatever!

I think that the fans need to express their anger and digust in this matter.
The CCHA ****ed up with their decision and hopefully this will come to a more positive conclusion.

streaker
08-12-2009, 11:31 PM
Any chance all the CCHA ADs are on these forums all the time and got sick and tired of us calling the watered-down CCHA the CupCake Hockey Association and so that's why they gave UAH the cold shoulder? :confused:

Maybe. Even if it is the WCHA hangers-on like SCSU or MTU fans that are doing the wolfing. :p

huskyfan
08-13-2009, 12:03 AM
Maybe. Even if it is the WCHA hangers-on like SCSU or MTU fans that are doing the wolfing. :p

hangers-on? :mad: MTU fans?

that's founding member and owner of the trophy. and one of the most hockey savvy fanbases in the league.

wsp67326
08-13-2009, 01:15 AM
Personally, if the vast majority of non-CCHA bloggers are supportive of UAH here, perhaps at every home game against a CCHA team this season, the non-CCHA folks can play Sweet Home Alabama and give a few U-A-H chants. At least it could show some solidarity against this disgusting situation.