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uwbadgers14
07-21-2009, 10:02 PM
I couldn't find a CC thread and i think we need an overall WCHA thread anyway but here is piece of news, Boy CC could really struggle this year after this piece of news


http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,17131/FirstRoundPickMooreChoosesProsOverCC.html

Puck Swami
07-21-2009, 10:11 PM
It's a blow to CC, and a blow to all of college hockey when highly coveted prospects reneg on their committments. Even as a fan of CC's rival, I was really looking forward to seeing Moore play.

I don't think CC will be as bad as some think. They have a lot of experienced veteran players coming back, and if they are able to get some goaltending, I could see them becoming a solid club.

FadeToBlack&Gold
07-21-2009, 10:27 PM
CC should finish at least 8th. Tech and UAA are there to generously fill the last two spots, as usual. :rolleyes:

Twitch Boy
07-21-2009, 11:35 PM
CC should finish at least 8th. Tech and UAA are there to generously fill the last two spots, as usual. :rolleyes:

We lose hockey games so that a child may live.

ScoobyDoo
07-22-2009, 09:47 AM
I couldn't find a CC thread and i think we need an overall WCHA thread anyway but here is piece of news, Boy CC could really struggle this year after this piece of news


http://www.uscho.com/news/college-hockey/id,17131/FirstRoundPickMooreChoosesProsOverCC.html

Wow. Not even one year? Even #1 overall pick E. Johnson played one year of college.

streaker
07-22-2009, 09:53 AM
We lose hockey games so that a child may live.

Wow. Now you've fallen into Dirty's allusion. :D

Dirty
07-22-2009, 09:55 AM
Wow. Now you've fallen into Dirty's allusion. :D

I welcome Twitch to my flock. He will be a valuable addition.

Driftryder
07-22-2009, 11:02 AM
“I wish the rules were different,” Moore told the Colorado Springs Gazette. “Unfortunately, I won’t be coming to CC in the fall.”


What does he mean by this quote? I'm not sure what rules he is talking about.

I agree that this is not a good thing for College Hockey.

Dirty
07-22-2009, 11:11 AM
When he signed with Blue Jackets, he became ineligible to play college hockey. He is still eligible to play Major Junior though.

I declare shenanigans on this. If he truly wanted to play college hockey, he wouldn't have signed. He's not going to be playing for the Blue Jackets or one of their affiliates this year anyways, so the only thing signing did was limit his options of where he could play.

ScoobyDoo
07-22-2009, 11:11 AM
What does he mean by this quote? I'm not sure what rules he is talking about.

I agree that this is not a good thing for College Hockey.

I don't get that either. Obviously he wants to make money right now cause that's the only difference. And he's going to be playing in the minors next year anyway.

uwbadgers14
07-22-2009, 11:42 AM
When he signed with Blue Jackets, he became ineligible to play college hockey. He is still eligible to play Major Junior though.

I declare shenanigans on this. If he truly wanted to play college hockey, he wouldn't have signed. He's not going to be playing for the Blue Jackets or one of their affiliates this year anyways, so the only thing signing did was limit his options of where he could play.

I agree, what i don't understand is how a professional, who has signed a contract with a NHL team can just go play junior if he is of age. Why does the CHL allow this. If they want to develope as many hockey players as they can, why are the giving roster spots to guys who have signed NHL contract. The NHL shouldn't sign the player if the player is not even ready to play for there AHL or ECHL team??? Whats even more nuts is how i player like Alex Petriengelo can play half a season with a NHL team, then go play the rest of the year in Junior. First what more is the kid going to learn by going back to the CHL where he has played for likely 2 years already. Wouldn't this just regress his development. This is another reason why i think college hockey a better development platform for players anyway. Its a staging process when you go through the college ranks, you play junior hockey, then when you are ready you move up to college, then when you have progressed all you can at that level you can sign a pro contract and work your way up. Jumping back and forth from playing against 16 year olds to playing against Chris Pronger isn't doing anything for a player. The whole major junior system just bothers me, how can you call yourself junior hockey when you have guys who just signed 6 figure contracts playing in it??????

Somebody please explain this all to me????? Give me a good reason why I should send my kid to play major Junior, I'll never do it....

cF[Authentic]
07-22-2009, 12:12 PM
I agree, what i don't understand is how a professional, who has signed a contract with a NHL team can just go play junior if he is of age. Why does the CHL allow this. If they want to develope as many hockey players as they can, why are the giving roster spots to guys who have signed NHL contract. The NHL shouldn't sign the player if the player is not even ready to play for there AHL or ECHL team??? Whats even more nuts is how i player like Alex Petriengelo can play half a season with a NHL team, then go play the rest of the year in Junior. First what more is the kid going to learn by going back to the CHL where he has played for likely 2 years already. Wouldn't this just regress his development. This is another reason why i think college hockey a better development platform for players anyway. Its a staging process when you go through the college ranks, you play junior hockey, then when you are ready you move up to college, then when you have progressed all you can at that level you can sign a pro contract and work your way up. Jumping back and forth from playing against 16 year olds to playing against Chris Pronger isn't doing anything for a player. The whole major junior system just bothers me, how can you call yourself junior hockey when you have guys who just signed 6 figure contracts playing in it??????

Somebody please explain this all to me????? Give me a good reason why I should send my kid to play major Junior, I'll never do it....

guys who just signed six-figure contracts get people to come watch them. it's all about money and if there are guys who played for a bit in the nhl, now playing for some CHL team, then they are going to bring more fans.

uwbadgers14
07-22-2009, 12:35 PM
;4337453']guys who just signed six-figure contracts get people to come watch them. it's all about money and if there are guys who played for a bit in the nhl, now playing for some CHL team, then they are going to bring more fans.

I wasn't aware CHL was in need of getting fans to games... My understanding is they do pretty well... And if thats the case, why doesn't the USHL want to allow that?? USHL barns are half empty most of the time???

Dirty
07-22-2009, 12:41 PM
If the USHL adopted this strategy, one of their primary goals of sending players to U.S. colleges to play hockey would no longer be possible.

uwbadgers14
07-22-2009, 12:53 PM
;4337453']guys who just signed six-figure contracts get people to come watch them. it's all about money and if there are guys who played for a bit in the nhl, now playing for some CHL team, then they are going to bring more fans.

Because of the CBA you already know about how much a player is worth, having drafted players, and highly drafted players puts people in the seats, and college hockey does that as well. The amount of money the kid is making or the fact that he has already signed isn't going to put more fans in the seats, canadian fans know who the top prospects are in the CHL already, who's drafted, its not different then college, so again I ask why let someone go back and forth from the NHL to the CHL. you can still have draft picks play in the CHL but why not have it just like college hockey, once you sign, you are done. The CHL comes across as a semi pro league not a junior hockey league...

First Time, Long Time
07-22-2009, 01:42 PM
Because of the CBA you already know about how much a player is worth, having drafted players, and highly drafted players puts people in the seats, and college hockey does that as well. The amount of money the kid is making or the fact that he has already signed isn't going to put more fans in the seats, canadian fans know who the top prospects are in the CHL already, who's drafted, its not different then college, so again I ask why let someone go back and forth from the NHL to the CHL. you can still have draft picks play in the CHL but why not have it just like college hockey, once you sign, you are done. The CHL comes across as a semi pro league not a junior hockey league...

Because the NCAA has rules about players being paid to play, the CHL doesn't.
The CHL also has rules that a player can't play in the AHL if they are under 20, so if they don't stay with the NHL club, it's back to juniors they go.

dggoddard
07-22-2009, 02:39 PM
The NHL & CHL are in bed together. They have agreements on poaching players during the season, the NHL funnels money to the CHL, many CHL franchises are owned/managed/coached by former NHL players, the NHL network televises CHL games, ect.

The NHL views the CHL as an important lifeline to the league and many of the CHL fans are ardent NHL fans as well. The NHL also appreciates that the CHL "warehouses" players and reduces the payrolls of the NHL franchises.

Follow the money... :D

Happy
07-22-2009, 05:13 PM
Moore probably only used the CC option as a chip in his overall career strategy. it is done all the time, a player tells the poorer teams in the chl that he will go to college if he is drafted by them, and tells the teams he likes to draft away. he will only go to college if a bad junior team drafts him.

uwbadgers14
07-22-2009, 08:05 PM
The NHL & CHL are in bed together. They have agreements on poaching players during the season, the NHL funnels money to the CHL, many CHL franchises are owned/managed/coached by former NHL players, the NHL network televises CHL games, ect.

The NHL views the CHL as an important lifeline to the league and many of the CHL fans are ardent NHL fans as well. The NHL also appreciates that the CHL "warehouses" players and reduces the payrolls of the NHL franchises.

Follow the money... :D

Thats interesting because i just read an article in The Hockey news about how USA hockey is going to be getting money from the NHL and the article was suggesting the the CHL also get money from the NHL as well considering they produce more of the talent for the NHL.

Personally I think the CHL is doing just fine and apparently is getting enough help from the NHL so if the NHL wants to help develop USA hockey considering most NHL franchises are in the USA makes sense to me.

I enjoy watching the CHL, i think the memorial cup is a great event and is good for the game. I just don't agree that contracted players are able to play in that league. The NHL already has the AHL and ECHL as farm system to place players.

grantfan
07-24-2009, 10:09 AM
Canadian junior hockey has been a feeder system for the NHL since, well, since before you all became hockey fans. Certainly you've heard that the NHL was a Canadian league. Remember when there were 6 teams and Red Berenson was a pioneer for shunning major junior, going to college and then, to the amazing bewilderment of the Canadian hockey establishment, making it the NHL?

The CHL is not semi-professional hockey, as some on here have said it seems, it is professional. Ask the NCAA.

The only difference between the CHL and the USHL is the weekly stipend a player receives in the CHL, for which the NCAA rules the CHL professional and the USHL amateur. So, professionals can play with professionals and CHL players can have signed NHL contracts and even played in the NHL. That is the Canadian system.

UWBadgers14, a good reason for sending your kid to the CHL is that his future employer, the team that drafted him high enough, says they will be happier if he plays major junior instead of college and pays him to do so.
It is never a bad thing to try to make your future employer happy, especially if they are willing to pay full fare.

To the CHL's great credit, they climbed out of the dark ages and made education a part of their program. It used to be major junior OR school. Both would be impossible when, for example, WHL teams would take 2-week trips east or west! Even the OHL has turned into a weekend league - like college and the USHL, but don't tell that to the old scouts, so a kid can attend school.

The CHL is a very different route to the NHL than college. It's a Canadian route; college hockey is an American route.