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Slap Shot
08-27-2009, 11:54 AM
It would have been cool if Hank Hill coached during those years, just so we could hear the occasional, “Dammit, Bobby!”.

scsutommyboy
08-27-2009, 04:07 PM
It would have been cool if Hank Hill coached during those years, just so we could hear the occasional, “Dammit, Bobby!”.

I love that voice! I Especially would ahve liked it when he seived out in the NCAA game his second year and gave his team zero chance to win the game. :(

brianvf
08-27-2009, 05:04 PM
It would have been cool if Hank Hill coached during those years, just so we could hear the occasional, “Dammit, Bobby!”.

:)

SCSU Euro
08-27-2009, 09:38 PM
I think they're better off simply because of the distraction that Weslosky caused for the past two seasons.
Yes I do think Lee is a more talented goaltender and you can say what-if about his start but lets face it, Weslosky wasn't exactly stellar in the 2nd half of last year either and teams seemed to figure out how to easily score on the guy (aim high)

This from the person who after Weslosky's sophomore year, which was a year ago I believe, talked so highly of him and all his records. :rolleyes:

Also, I don't buy the "distraction" bull****. This isn't the NFL, there aren't video cameras taping them being driven to camp, nobody's pulling sharpies out and signing things, and nobody's dating Jessica Simpson. Its college hockey, and Weslosky would've made this team better, but as FTLT said we'll simply move on..... 'cause we here on the SCSU threads like to keep things simple. :D


I know what you are saying, but I felt people needed to know there was more to the issue.

Yeah, but then to say "there was more" and not fill it in I think is the wrong way to go, but whatever, difference of opinion.... we'll call it a generational gap.


I agree Lee isn't going to have to much pressure. Let's face it, the Huskies don't have a mega fan base and they only have one beat writer who follows them. If Lee doesn't read this message board who is going to put pressure on him?

The Phoenix Coyotes for making him the highest-drafted American goalie this year... Dean Blais' and his nice little quote.... the team who probably told him from day one that he'd be the biggest player SCSU's ever seen.... 6,000 screaming fans every night..... nobody's gonna put pressure on him. :D

Ok, yeah, I realize its not like Duke basketball or Texas football, but don't think that he doesn't have quite a bit of pressure on him already.

First Time, Long Time
08-28-2009, 01:56 AM
Numerous did and it was B0BBY!!@!!!!!!

Not with the team he had in front of him and we all knew that.


This from the person who after Weslosky's sophomore year, which was a year ago I believe, talked so highly of him and all his records. :rolleyes:



He had a great year and the hope was it would continue, it didn't he let up bad and screwed himself.



Also, I don't buy the "distraction" bull****. This isn't the NFL, there aren't video cameras taping them being driven to camp, nobody's pulling sharpies out and signing things, and nobody's dating Jessica Simpson. Its college hockey, and Weslosky would've made this team better, but as FTLT said we'll simply move on..... 'cause we here on the SCSU threads like to keep things simple. :D

You also aren't in the locker room and I'm sure it is a distraction when you are counting on a guy who can't get to it together in the classroom or is causing other problems with a lack of focus and it turns into a situation where it sounds like they didn't want the guy around.




The Phoenix Coyotes for making him the highest-drafted American goalie this year... Dean Blais' and his nice little quote.... the team who probably told him from day one that he'd be the biggest player SCSU's ever seen.... 6,000 screaming fans every night..... nobody's gonna put pressure on him. :D

Ok, yeah, I realize its not like Duke basketball or Texas football, but don't think that he doesn't have quite a bit of pressure on him already


You are confusing expectations with pressure.
He has a lot of expected of him, but he isn't going to be forced to do it all, he isn't going to be put in an impossible situation and told to get the team out of it.
I'll put it this way, Goepfert for the most part had pressure.
His first year the team had little expectations of scoring and a very average defense from a team that had finished 9th the year before.
He was expected to be the difference and be the one to pull them out of it.
So far, I haven't seen much of that out of Lee.
Yes it's expected that he will be the starter (eventually) but he isn't being told you have to go win it all, not with the offense we have and a defense that should be much improved with a year's experience under them.
The expectations are high, but the quality of the other players around him help take the pressure off him.

First Time, Long Time
08-28-2009, 02:03 AM
http://www.sctimes.com/article/20090828/SPORTS/108280014/1002/Allenspach-column--Dunn-s-not-done-though-Lee-s-on-the-scene

First Time, Long Time
08-28-2009, 02:10 AM
http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=394329575cfc443bb4ca40dd46a45230&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a394329575cfc443bb4ca40dd46a45230 Post%3a1fc3bd6e-3757-44b1-8fea-0ab8cd3a33c7&sid=sitelife.sctimes.com

Sounds like Weslosky may be dropped as an Isles prospect all together because of his academic issues and Olson ready to start a pro career.

scsutommyboy
08-28-2009, 01:14 PM
You are confusing expectations with pressure.
He has a lot of expected of him, but he isn't going to be forced to do it all, he isn't going to be put in an impossible situation and told to get the team out of it.
I'll put it this way, Goepfert for the most part had pressure.
His first year the team had little expectations of scoring and a very average defense from a team that had finished 9th the year before.
He was expected to be the difference and be the one to pull them out of it.
So far, I haven't seen much of that out of Lee.
Yes it's expected that he will be the starter (eventually) but he isn't being told you have to go win it all, not with the offense we have and a defense that should be much improved with a year's experience under them.
The expectations are high, but the quality of the other players around him help take the pressure off him.

I actually agree with you 100%. :eek: Rabid are you posting for your wife again?:p

First Time, Long Time
08-28-2009, 08:44 PM
I actually agree with you 100%. :eek: Rabid are you posting for your wife again?:p

No, but we do agree on the expectations/pressure on Lee. :)

SCSU Euro
08-28-2009, 08:53 PM
You also aren't in the locker room and I'm sure it is a distraction when you are counting on a guy who can't get to it together in the classroom or is causing other problems with a lack of focus and it turns into a situation where it sounds like they didn't want the guy around.

You aren't in the locker room either. I never said that there's no way it was a distraction, I just said I'm not buying that there HAD to have been. I believe the team would've been better with Weslosky, and if you wanna disprove that, the burden of proof is on you to come up with why he was a distraction, not just blindly claiming so.




You are confusing expectations with pressure.
He has a lot of expected of him, but he isn't going to be forced to do it all, he isn't going to be put in an impossible situation and told to get the team out of it.
I'll put it this way, Goepfert for the most part had pressure.
His first year the team had little expectations of scoring and a very average defense from a team that had finished 9th the year before.
He was expected to be the difference and be the one to pull them out of it.
So far, I haven't seen much of that out of Lee.
Yes it's expected that he will be the starter (eventually) but he isn't being told you have to go win it all, not with the offense we have and a defense that should be much improved with a year's experience under them.
The expectations are high, but the quality of the other players around him help take the pressure off him.

So Goepfert had all the pressure on him... because the team around him was a team coming off a 9th place season and had no expectations? If the team had no expectations, there was no pressure... if he does great, he's a savior, and if he doesn't, the team was supposed to be horrible. And THIS is the argument that tb finally decides to agree with you on. :D

Remember... having a so-so year isn't acceptable according to tb, and after Blais annointed him the savior of SCSU hockey, and you guys claim there's no pressure on him. Ok....

First Time, Long Time
08-28-2009, 10:51 PM
You aren't in the locker room either. I never said that there's no way it was a distraction, I just said I'm not buying that there HAD to have been. I believe the team would've been better with Weslosky, and if you wanna disprove that, the burden of proof is on you to come up with why he was a distraction, not just blindly claiming so.


I explained why he's a distraction if you bothered to read the above post, not putting in the effort in class so your eligibility comes into question is a distraction when the team counts on you.
As a result, your focus comes into question which also is a distraction to your team if they are wondering about your ability to get them through the game in goal.
Also, Motzko has basically come out and said this team is going to be different that you have to have focus on and off the ice and if you don't, you won't play.
This isn't the first time with Weslosky, it's the 3rd time, you don't think that becomes a problem when your teammates know you likely have an issue with school and they can't count on you to get your work done?
It's basically solidified when the team's captain says good riddence to Weslosky when asked about it.
It doesn't take a genius to see the distraction there.




So Goepfert had all the pressure on him... because the team around him was a team coming off a 9th place season and had no expectations? If the team had no expectations, there was no pressure... if he does great, he's a savior, and if he doesn't, the team was supposed to be horrible. And THIS is the argument that tb finally decides to agree with you on. :D

Remember... having a so-so year isn't acceptable according to tb, and after Blais annointed him the savior of SCSU hockey, and you guys claim there's no pressure on him. Ok....


Again here you aren't getting the point.
Goepfert was supposed to be the difference, he was supposed to be the one to win games to make 40+ saves a game and get the job done not only because the goalies before him couldn't do it, but because the team he had in front of him wasn't going to help him out much with either offense or defense.
Here, goaltending was never a worry no matter who we had in goal.
The focus of what needed to improve was the defense, that's where the pressure is IMO.
They have to play better to help out their goaltender, whether it's Dunn or Lee because for the most part, they were where the breakdowns were last year.
You are so hung up on Blais' quote its unbelieveable.
Who gives a rats *** what Blais said about Lee?
You know how many people that are supposed to be "in the know" make predictions that end up wrong?
I also didn't see the part where he said he was going to do it in his first year on campus.
I also think Blais knows that Motzko is also putting together better teams than we've had here in quite a while and it's not just Lee, it's Lasch, Roe, Christian, Hanowski, LeBlanc etc...not to mention the guys coming in the next couple years like Gravel, Oliver, Milan and Dowd.
The point being, Lee is a great goalie, Blais knows this, and he may be the final piece to the puzzle, but he's also just a piece of that puzzle, the rest of the team has to share that burden, the "pressure" if you will.
I'll put it this way, with Goepfert it was "you'd better not screw up in the least or we're not going to win and your defense is going to hang you out to dry so you'd better come up with something spectacular each night" with Lee it's "makes the saves you're supposed to make and we'll back you up as you know we can score goals."

Dude Love
08-29-2009, 01:08 AM
http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=394329575cfc443bb4ca40dd46a45230&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a394329575cfc443bb4ca40dd46a45230 Post%3a1fc3bd6e-3757-44b1-8fea-0ab8cd3a33c7&sid=sitelife.sctimes.com

Sounds like Weslosky may be dropped as an Isles prospect all together because of his academic issues and Olson ready to start a pro career.

Did the Islanders really need another crappy headcase goalie? Maybe they'll sign him to a 40-year deal.

First Time, Long Time
08-29-2009, 01:23 AM
Did the Islanders really need another crappy headcase goalie? Maybe they'll sign him to a 40-year deal.

Well it isn't as though Weslosky is crazy, but it's the lazy part that has them concerned so I can't blame them, but it is the Islanders so doing something relatively smart is surprising.

MaizeRage
08-29-2009, 01:48 AM
http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=394329575cfc443bb4ca40dd46a45230&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a394329575cfc443bb4ca40dd46a45230 Post%3a1fc3bd6e-3757-44b1-8fea-0ab8cd3a33c7&sid=sitelife.sctimes.com

Sounds like Weslosky may be dropped as an Isles prospect all together because of his academic issues and Olson ready to start a pro career.

Half of their prospects couldn't get into a college. They could care less. It's a convenient excuse for dropping a kid that was never going to contribute to their organization.

Dude Love
08-29-2009, 02:12 AM
Half of their prospects couldn't get into a college. They could care less. It's a convenient excuse for dropping a kid that was never going to contribute to their organization.

They're the idiots who drafted a goalie right after signing another goalie to a 15-year contract. :)

First Time, Long Time
08-29-2009, 02:27 AM
They're the idiots who drafted a goalie right after signing another goalie to a 15-year contract. :)

Yeah, I always assumed Weslosky was trade bait from the day he was drafted.

scsutommyboy
08-29-2009, 01:01 PM
You aren't in the locker room either. I never said that there's no way it was a distraction, I just said I'm not buying that there HAD to have been. I believe the team would've been better with Weslosky, and if you wanna disprove that, the burden of proof is on you to come up with why he was a distraction, not just blindly claiming so.




So Goepfert had all the pressure on him... because the team around him was a team coming off a 9th place season and had no expectations? If the team had no expectations, there was no pressure... if he does great, he's a savior, and if he doesn't, the team was supposed to be horrible. And THIS is the argument that tb finally decides to agree with you on. :D

Remember... having a so-so year isn't acceptable according to tb, and after Blais annointed him the savior of SCSU hockey, and you guys claim there's no pressure on him. Ok....

Look, there was more to wesloksy problems than just school. You don't have to believe me and that is fine. This team had quite a few issues last year in the locker room besides Weslosky. The coaching staff and team leaders need to do a better job making sure the same types of things don't happen this year.

yes Lee needs to play well and will put pressure on himself, but he doesn't have to be all world for the team to succeed. This kid is talented and has delt with pressure his whole life. Do you think there was pressure at Warroad as a sophmore to win. That town and fan base will put every bit as much of pressure on him as the SCSU fans base will. It is the above and beyond(undo) pressure that makes young players wilt.

As for Goepfert Motzko flat out said from day 1 he had to be great or the team won't win because they couldn't score more than 3 goals a game. When Goepfert was interviewed he said he needed to be great. There is a huge difference between the two situations. This years team will be much better than either of Goepferts teams and Lee will not be expect to be perfect or the team won't win. you seem to be the only one who can't figure out the obvious.:eek:

scsutommyboy
08-29-2009, 01:28 PM
Half of their prospects couldn't get into a college. They could care less. It's a convenient excuse for dropping a kid that was never going to contribute to their organization.

It is the lost year, not school that bugs them. The right thing to do would be to trade him instead of leaving him to die with no options for a year.

SCSU Euro
08-29-2009, 02:42 PM
Hanowski ranked 15th in Western College Hockey Blog's Best of the West

http://www.westerncollegehockeyblog.com/

They've written up articles all the way down to #4 and no mention of Lee yet, so he cracked the top 3.

scsutommyboy
08-29-2009, 02:54 PM
Hanowski ranked 15th in Western College Hockey Blog's Best of the West

http://www.westerncollegehockeyblog.com/

They've written up articles all the way down to #4 and no mention of Lee yet, so he cracked the top 3.


Why would anybody care what Maize thinks?:confused: Should we be jumping around because he likes a couple of our recruits?