Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

[norm1909]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

Name calling again? Comparing Bruce to the Iranian dictator now? You take Plattsburgh hockey way too seriously. I will again state that as an alumnus, I think he's done a great job for the college as Athletic Director. This will be hard for folks on this forum to believe, but Plattsburgh does offer more than one sport. For the Department as a whole, he's done a great job with Plattsburgh althletics.

Name calling As for the relating him to the President of Iran, I have consistently found their management styles extremely similar (he has consistently shown an "it is MY world attitude"). I admit that he has rubbed me the wrong way, I encourage everyone to form their own opinion.

I seriously am glad that you have experienced some positive things, no sarcasim intended, can you share some, I will admit, that I do not follow the other sports anywhere near as much as I do hockey, and I am open minded, I would like to know something positive that HE is responsible for(or at even chiefly responsible for and not merely something positive that has occurred during his tenure)?

[jerrynu26]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

The national championships in DIII men's hockey do not occur without a host school. Plattsburgh does not host without his involvment and ok.

So if you went to Lake Placid to see Plattsburgh play, you can thank him for helping that occur.

[spwood]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

The national championships in DIII men's hockey do not occur without a host school. Plattsburgh does not host without his involvment and ok.

So if you went to Lake Placid to see Plattsburgh play, you can thank him for helping that occur.

Not to mention hosting NCAA Div III regionals in basketball, softball, and I think Plattsburgh has hosted NCAA soccer since Bruce's arrival. Softball has hosted both with and without Plattsburgh's team participating. The track team has sent members to nationals (the team may have qualified, I'm sure Norm can research that). The level of play of Plattsburgh athletics across the board is higher than it has ever been, all under the eye of the current Athletic Director. I think that is closer to what he is supposed to be doing than constantly catering to some disgruntled hockey fans.

I know the "die hard" fans that haven't missed a game since the Reagan administration aren't happen with the new rink, but after Norwich, Middlebury, and Oswego built the rinks they had, the college had to do something to keep up. The old Stafford, while charming, must have looked third-world to recruits comparing Plattsburgh to the above mentioned schools.

[norm1909]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

The national championships in DIII men's hockey do not occur without a host school. Plattsburgh does not host without his involvment and ok.

So if you went to Lake Placid to see Plattsburgh play, you can thank him for helping that occur.

Not to mention hosting NCAA Div III regionals in basketball, softball, and I think Plattsburgh has hosted NCAA soccer since Bruce's arrival. Softball has hosted both with and without Plattsburgh's team participating. The track team has sent members to nationals (the team may have qualified, I'm sure Norm can research that). The level of play of Plattsburgh athletics across the board is higher than it has ever been, all under the eye of the current Athletic Director. I think that is closer to what he is supposed to be doing than constantly catering to some disgruntled hockey fans.

I know the "die hard" fans that haven't missed a game since the Reagan administration aren't happen with the new rink, but after Norwich, Middlebury, and Oswego built the rinks they had, the college had to do something to keep up. The old Stafford, while charming, must have looked third-world to recruits comparing Plattsburgh to the above mentioned schools.

No doubt he has been "in the right place at the right time" (riding the coattails of others), and that he is an opportunist, which is not always a bad thing, the ability to recognize an opportunity (such as Premier and the bus), is a good thing. I also, do NOT think he is an idiot, I respect his accomplishments (in their context). I also believe he has the potential, but that his is driven more by how he appears to his peers than his local stakeholders.

I would like to know of things that HE initiated, on his own, not necessarily that he personally seen to completion, but concepts and ideas that he initiated, beyond the extreme enforcement of a church like appearance (such as removal of banners that only blocked the view of someone in the rafters) and atmosphere in the field house.

The new arena (remember, part of the master plan made while he was selling fishing supplies) is very nice and has awesome potential, it simply is cathedral like and has no character, and only efforts against it obtaining one.

[hey now]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

Not to mention hosting NCAA Div III regionals in basketball, softball, and I think Plattsburgh has hosted NCAA soccer since Bruce's arrival. Softball has hosted both with and without Plattsburgh's team participating. The track team has sent members to nationals (the team may have qualified, I'm sure Norm can research that). The level of play of Plattsburgh athletics across the board is higher than it has ever been, all under the eye of the current Athletic Director. I think that is closer to what he is supposed to be doing than constantly catering to some disgruntled hockey fans.

I know the "die hard" fans that haven't missed a game since the Reagan administration aren't happen with the new rink, but after Norwich, Middlebury, and Oswego built the rinks they had, the college had to do something to keep up. The old Stafford, while charming, must have looked third-world to recruits comparing Plattsburgh to the above mentioned schools.

You're not cool with Norm's Iranian dictator/Brucie comparison but our old barn looked third world?

[joecct]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

You're not cool with Norm's Iranian dictator/Brucie comparison but our old barn looked third world?

Some 2 hrs to the West along Rt 11.....

This was great, but getting old:
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Score my first goal @ college into the net @ the far end. It was intramurals, and it took me 4+ years, but heck, at least I can say I scored a goal @ Walker Arena!

This is state of the art:
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[jerrynu26]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

No doubt he has been "in the right place at the right time" (riding the coattails of others), and that he is an opportunist, which is not always a bad thing, the ability to recognize an opportunity (such as Premier and the bus), is a good thing. I also, do NOT think he is an idiot, I respect his accomplishments (in their context). I also believe he has the potential, but that his is driven more by how he appears to his peers than his local stakeholders.

I would like to know of things that HE initiated, on his own, not necessarily that he personally seen to completion, but concepts and ideas that he initiated, beyond the extreme enforcement of a church like appearance (such as removal of banners that only blocked the view of someone in the rafters) and atmosphere in the field house.

The new arena (remember, part of the master plan made while he was selling fishing supplies) is very nice and has awesome potential, it simply is cathedral like and has no character, and only efforts against it obtaining one.

I doubt there is anyhing he could have done that would cause an approval rating from you.
Several times you've mentioned him selling fishing supplies (prior to coming to Plattsburgh) in a derogatory way, as well as his degrees relating to religion and divinity. I'm not sure I understand your point in bringing those up as it relates to this discussion.


Oh, his local stakeholders are the athletes at Plattsburgh.

[norm1909]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

I doubt there is anyhing he could have done that would cause an approval rating from you.
Several times you've mentioned him selling fishing supplies (prior to coming to Plattsburgh) in a derogatory way, as well as his degrees relating to religion and divinity. I'm not sure I understand your point in bringing those up as it relates to this discussion.


Oh, his local stakeholders are the athletes at Plattsburgh.

For the record, I am a practicing Catholic and sincerely respect his training and academic accomplishments, and have made the quote below, I sincerely believe he has the potential to handle the job. Why you, or anyone else would take them as derogatory is a function of your life experiences and reference points. They were made, and the links provided, so that others might get an understanding of his thinking, back ground and qualification, to try to understand who he is and how he makes his decisions, nothing more.

IMHO, I do not see sufficent evidence that he has the background to be an AD, yes, I would not have hired him. That is not to say, I consider him stupid, I have not, however, seen anything that I could say "wow, we were lucky to have Bruce as our AD" That said, I have been the recipent of "bad and rude attitude". I am open minded, and would seriously appreciate something definitive.

Yes, had I been part of the search committee, I would have sought out someone who shown a life long commitment as a Director first, and a hockey player/sports fan second.

I do give him credit for a winning record at RIT 87-39-2 (.680), also, other than the poor to bad handling of ticket sales and desire to prevent the new arena from reaching its potential, I am not aware of any disasters, as surely would have happened if he was totally incompetent.

His stakeholders - as always, his employer is his primary stakeholder, but they include, but are "not limited to, athletes, sponsors, spectators, media, participants, community, hotels, restaurants, charities, families, civic and political leaders, and businesses."

I also like this.

Competence is measured by more than ones academic accomplishments, a minister is a leader, and certainly Brucey’s ministerial studies included courses in leadership, administration and management.

[norm1909]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

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This is state of the art:
*****http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/CheelViews2web.jpg******

State of the art - with stuff hanging from the ceiling:

[wallhd]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

Without taking sides in any of the ongoing debate, I guess I would have to say that I'm surprised that the moderator(s) haven't deleted this thread.

G O C A R D S !!

Wally
Cornell '67

[PSUChamps2001]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

I am with you norm and understand where you are coming from. While the all mighty Bruce will never gain 100% positive feedback, more people just want to go with the (and taking a phrase from the Adrian fans) "It is what it is" attitude instead of standing up for themselves. Is Plattsburgh a nice place to watch a hockey game? Sure if you want to be a part of the new regime of PC, clap when you score but don't get out of your seat, go team go fan base.

I remember not too long ago when we had to stand for most of a game against either Middlebury or Oswego (don't remember which). Now you have a hard enough time getting people to stand for introductions.

Have a recruit go to a nice shinny arena with 2,000 quiet fans, and then go to an arena with 500 rabid fans and see what they choose. I do applaud Plattsburgh State (not just Brucey) for trying to give their fans a more comfortable and safer arena. Sure capacity is an issue that really could not be controlled at this time, and could be addressed later. A lot of us were against the change in seating procedure, and will be. But I for one would love to see another Zoo Crew emerge or a rowdy student section and see what Brucey does then. What would Brucey do back in the days when people were crowd surfing or the old chats we use to have?

Its all about who you know and who you (well you know how it goes) when it comes to Plattsburgh now. A MINORITY of people complained about a few things so the whole has to change. It's the same exact thing with the NCAA's. I remember the old days with banners, and signs, and cowbells, being loud and obnoxious and no one coming over and tell you to keep it down or you will be escorted out. But for years now people just take the "oh well it is what it is" attitude and let them change the way we watch and participate in the game.

I was lucky enough to enjoy my trips to the old Romney, Duke Nelson, and be a part of the Zoo Crew at the Old Stafford. If hockey games were meant to be played in a church they would move all games to Sundays......

[joecct]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

State of the art - with stuff hanging from the ceiling:

However, you will note the lack of NCAA Championship banners.

[norm1909]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

Without taking sides in any of the ongoing debate, I guess I would have to say that I'm surprised that the moderator(s) haven't deleted this thread.

G O C A R D S !!

Wally
Cornell '67

I am sincerely sorry, if you, or any one has taken anything I have said as a personal attack against Bruce, that would be wrong, I have and continue to believe that from his perspective he is doing the right thing. I disagree with his methodology, and sincerely question is qualifications to be an Athletic Director at the level in which he is. I do believe, and have nothing to contrary, that outside of his work environment, he is likely a very nice person; in fact, I have provided a link to a very nice, volunteered to a civic organization, candid speech he gave. Yes, I think his management style rivals Ahmadinejad, which, while I disagree with it, does nevertheless, belong to a significant head-of-state, and obviously works for some.

I believe this thread and forum should be a place to debate and discuss, not ridicule and slander. I have sincerely tried to note IMHO when appropriate and offer supporting evidence/basis when possible.

Also, for the record, I do not hide behind behind an alas, I clearly state who I am and where I live.

[NorthernBlight]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

Without taking sides in any of the ongoing debate, I guess I would have to say that I'm surprised that the moderator(s) haven't deleted this thread.

What would it be deleted for? Some people around here need to toughen up a bit.

[joecct]

Re: Plattsburgh State Hockey - 2009/2010

Without taking sides in any of the ongoing debate, I guess I would have to say that I'm surprised that the moderator(s) haven't deleted this thread.

G O C A R D S !!

Wally
Cornell '67

Wally

It's D-III. The only people of note in USCHO who pay attention to us are Matt and Russell. To the rest, we're at best an afterthought, and at worst the eccentric aunt locked in the attic..