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Darius
10-13-2019, 10:17 AM
And from Baltimore, UNH defeats UMBC to go to 9-0-2

#11 RPI, #13 coaches poll and on the rise!

Darius
10-13-2019, 10:38 AM
Surrendering a lead, ending tied is disappointing and reminiscent of last season. Three points on the road is nice, but taking four points from a bad team is where we should be today. Our next two games are on the road against teams needing wins followed by a tough stretch.

Chuck Murray
10-13-2019, 10:55 AM
Surrendering a lead, ending tied is disappointing and reminiscent of last season. Three points on the road is nice, but taking four points from a bad team is where we should be today. Our next two games are on the road against teams needing wins followed by a tough stretch.

Good take. Troubling to see them blow a 3-0 lead in the second period, perhaps encouraging to see them fight back for the tie, but overall, disappointing is the only way to look at it when you have a sweep sitting nicely in your grasp, and you lose focus and let an unimpressive opponent dig out of a deep hole. 3 points out of 4 on the road to open the season is hardly terrible - it's just the way it played out that was. After a comfortable win Friday night, and another one seemingly playing out the same way last night, they probably got overconfident (as did some posters ;) ), and didn't give the requisite degree of respect to their opponent. Live and learn …

Greg Ambrose
10-13-2019, 11:22 AM
Surrendering a lead, ending tied is disappointing and reminiscent of last season. Three points on the road is nice, but taking four points from a bad team is where we should be today. Our next two games are on the road against teams needing wins followed by a tough stretch.

One bd period out of six, on the road, no matter who it is against, is not bad. Please remember where the program has been the past few years.

Darius
10-13-2019, 11:49 AM
One bd period out of six, on the road, no matter who it is against, is not bad. Please remember where the program has been the past few years.I do, especially last season. We were 8-10-6, 12-15-9. My glasses are as blue tinted as anyone on this board. Following the HEA web site live scores last night was disappointing. I am almost sure the team feels the same. At the end of the season Miami's record will likely diminish the significance of the tie in the PWR, but it might one of those "if only" results we look back on with regret.

NCAA watcher
10-13-2019, 12:10 PM
One bd period out of six, on the road, .

Shots On Goal 1st 2nd 3rd OT Total
New Hampshire -----6------7-------11----1----25
Miami ---------------10-----13------6-----3-----32

Chuck Murray
10-13-2019, 12:13 PM
Shots On Goal 1st 2nd 3rd OT Total
New Hampshire -----6------7-------11----1----25
Miami ---------------10-----13------6-----3-----32

I expect it when I get baited by the SOG-krishnas Ö et tu, 'Watcher?? :eek: :confused: ;)

NCAA watcher
10-13-2019, 12:19 PM
I expect it when I get baited by the SOG-krishnas … et tu, 'Watcher?? :eek: :confused: ;)

Sorry about bringing facts into this;) At least shots correllate to winning. Not like faceoff wins that everyone gets so excited about/complains about, but that correllate to wins only 50.3%, i.e., statistically insignificant.

Dan
10-13-2019, 01:12 PM
I do, especially last season. We were 8-10-6, 12-15-9. My glasses are as blue tinted as anyone on this board. Following the HEA web site live scores last night was disappointing. I am almost sure the team feels the same. At the end of the season Miami's record will likely diminish the significance of the tie in the PWR, but it might one of those "if only" results we look back on with regret.

Miami is not a team bereft of talent - especially at the forward position. They put four goals on a very strong defensive BGSU team the weekend prior...

In a one-off, yes, UNH should be expecting to beat Miami, but 3 out of 4 on the road is a successful trip even if the circumstances around game two and losing a 3-0 lead are not ideal.

As for Miamiís impact on the PWR - it may be better than you think. Miamiís remaining non-conference schedule is a pair with each of Ferris, Colgate and UConn with a single game against BGSU. Ferris and Colgate were dismal last season and UConn is off to a horrendous start. A near winning non-conference record and the NCHC strength of schedule could easily make Miami wins look better than they really are...

So a very good, of imperfect start - now they need to win the next two against Bentley and Merrimack and head into the BC/BU games undefeated with confidence...

wildcatdc
10-13-2019, 02:26 PM
One bd period out of six, on the road, no matter who it is against, is not bad. Please remember where the program has been the past few years.

Now this is a good take. Especially for those who watched 125 minutes of hockey this weekend. It was a particularly poor 10 minutes, in fact, of those 125, that lost us a point. It certainly wasnít a lack of respect by the team. In fact, as happened Friday night, Miami showed some fight after getting down big, early. We were just unable to contain it last night like we did Friday.

3 of 4, great weekend.

wildcatdc
10-13-2019, 02:33 PM
Sorry about bringing facts into this;) At least shots correllate to winning. Not like faceoff wins that everyone gets so excited about/complains about, but that correllate to wins only 50.3%, i.e., statistically insignificant.

Thatís an interesting stat! It was just tough to watch us lose face-offs time and again in their zone. Frustrating. Especially at times when we had them on their heels. Killed momentum on several occasions.

wildcatdc
10-13-2019, 02:53 PM
#11 RPI, #13 coaches poll and on the rise!

Quietly becoming the consistently top program at UNH? Would be nice to go deep in the NCAAís this year, and then get to finishing off the field. I know theyíre tired of playing on the football field.

HockeyRef
10-13-2019, 03:00 PM
Re faceoff stats...while I wouldn't deign to debate most hockey stats with you guys here I do feel face offs matter...because they lead to one thing that's beneficial and that's possession. Thinking of last season when Charlie K won a pivotal faceoff that Naz potted the OT win V Maine.

NCAA watcher
10-13-2019, 03:10 PM
Thatís an interesting stat! It was just tough to watch us lose face-offs time and again in their zone. Frustrating. Especially at times when we had them on their heels. Killed momentum on several occasions.

https://www.si.com/nhl/2017/03/02/illustrated-review-importance-nhl-faceoff

wildcatdc
10-13-2019, 03:53 PM
https://www.si.com/nhl/2017/03/02/illustrated-review-importance-nhl-faceoff

Thanks - thatís helpful. Again, iím not ascribing the W/L/T to it....Iím simply reacting to watching us on many occasions pressure them in their end (or watch Miami ice it under pressure), then have the face-off in their end, and lose the face-off only to see them clear the zone. Seemed to happen too often this weekend.

NCAA watcher
10-13-2019, 04:21 PM
Oh, I understand that for individual faceoffs, especially late in a game, it can be important. I'm just complaining about old school coaches who talk about how good a player is at faceoffs, to the exclusion of their overall game (or the coach's strategy of handing possession of the puck to the other side by dumping and chasing).
Basically, get skilled guys who can get possession during the hundreds of free pucks during the play, rather than over-emphasizing one individual type of possession that the stats suggest is not correlate to winning games.

Greg Ambrose
10-13-2019, 04:46 PM
Oh, I understand that for individual faceoffs, especially late in a game, it can be important. I'm just complaining about old school coaches who talk about how good a player is at faceoffs, to the exclusion of their overall game (or the coach's strategy of handing possession of the puck to the other side by dumping and chasing).
Basically, get skilled guys who can get possession during the hundreds of free pucks during the play, rather than over-emphasizing one individual type of possession that the stats suggest is not correlate to winning games.

With you Watcher. You watch enough NHL and youíll see that the guy who wins the offensive/defensive zone face off doesnít necessarily give his team control of the puck. Now itís probably different in college which is why on the puck skills are so important.

Chuck Murray
10-13-2019, 06:08 PM
Strongest statistical indicators your team will win a game:

(1) Scoring the first goal, playing with a lead, setting the tone for everything else that follows;

(2) Quality scoring chances (with "quality" being highly subjective);

(3) Attacking zone possession;

(4) Shots on goal (i.e. not all shots are equal, in quality or circumstance-wise);



(T-97) Most talented pep band;
(T-97) Prettiest cheerleaders;

(99) Faceoff wins

OK - maybe an exaggeration at the end :D … but not by much. More basically, if your team is more talented, and they play with the necessary application and focus, those qualities trump all else. But there's no way to truly measure talent data-wise without highly subjective methods, so I'm just gonna have to stick with the above.

Give me the first goal, and you can have the rest. Not foolproof or perfect, but better than all the others. :)

e.cat
10-13-2019, 06:52 PM
Interesting how things gravitate to SOG on UNH threads. Not coincidentally, UNH won the SOG Friday night and won the game and lost the SOG Saturday night and lost the game. Go figure! Why am left feeling UNH took their feet off the pedal in the third Saturday?

HockeyRef
10-13-2019, 07:12 PM
Interesting how things gravitate to SOG on UNH threads. Not coincidentally, UNH won the SOG Friday night and won the game and lost the SOG Saturday night and lost the game. Go figure! Why am left feeling UNH took their feet off the pedal in the third Saturday?

Will be interesting to see how Souza talks about the weekend his weekly presser. Regardless I'll take the 3 points on the road. Beats how we did last season. That said cant be losing a 3 goal lead but that's hockey for ya!!

Frosh are getting their feet wet in these early games and the schedule is only gonna get tougher. Onto the Bentley boys..