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manurespreader
03-31-2019, 09:58 PM
It was a hit to the head. That will always be reviewed, as per the rules. It's either 5 or nothing. Was with a hardcore MSU fan yesterday, and even HE admitted it was the right call.
Sure but there was no call at the time. so to say that they would have reviewed because it was a hit to the head? How would they know? I don't believe they would have gone back but for the crowd howling, however sure, they might have. It just seems awfully fortuitious.

pc88
03-31-2019, 10:02 PM
Sure but there was no call at the time. so to say that they would have reviewed because it was a hit to the head? How would they know? I don't believe they would have gone back but for the crowd howling, however sure, they might have. It just seems awfully fortuitious.

Maybe because the kid was sprawled on the ice even though the play continued? When havenít the refs looked at that?


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Bale
03-31-2019, 10:09 PM
Maybe because the kid was sprawled on the ice even though the play continued? When havenít the refs looked at that?


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Honest question, im not sure what happened because they didnt show anything on tv, but isnt that exactly what happenes with tuomie being checked earlier in the game? Or was he laying on the ice because he got hit lower?

mookie1995
03-31-2019, 10:13 PM
Right. Calling a man by a female title is perfectly reasonable.

I'm just glad he recognizes my regal greatness. :)

The 2000s called. They want their titles back.
Genders can be neutral ;)

The Rube
03-31-2019, 10:15 PM
Sure but there was no call at the time. so to say that they would have reviewed because it was a hit to the head? How would they know? I don't believe they would have gone back but for the crowd howling, however sure, they might have. It just seems awfully fortuitious.

They showed the rule on tv. It can be reviewed ONLY for a major. There is no 2 minute ruling. As for stoppage in play, I forget which game it was (forgive me, I watched about 18 hours of hockey in the last 2 days), a guy was visibly unable to stand, yet play went on until the next whistle. So, same scenario there. Once play stopped, the refs said, "Hey, there might have been contact to the head, let's look. They did, and made the right call.

mookie1995
03-31-2019, 10:15 PM
In a small way I'd like to see Providence win all the way out in Buffalo to shut people (me included) up about the NCAA letting them play "at home" in the Regional.

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Huh?

That was the only way the fryers won in 2015 :mad:



:p

Bruin
03-31-2019, 10:20 PM
... either because people are too stupid to understand what is being said, or in bad faith because they don't want to acknowledge it.

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If you can't admit that virtually every coach would pick to play in their home town, you are a clown.
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That's not the argument, and the more a person tries to make it the argument the more foolish they look.
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but to claim the "neutral" sites have eliminated location advantage is stupid at best and dishonest at worst.


My way or no way...

mookie1995
03-31-2019, 10:21 PM
People forget that PC was #5 in the preseason poll. Nate, the team and all fans would have been disappointed in any result that didnít end in the Frozen Four this year. This was expected.


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Couldnít one expect the preseason top 4 to end up in the frozen four?? #5 defeated by #4 in a regional final (unless the game was in Providence :))

Bruin
03-31-2019, 10:42 PM
The ENTIRE reason for moving to neutral sites for the regionals was to eliminate advantage based on location. It wasn't done to increase attendance or to make more money.

No, but team placement IS about the attendance. It's pretty clearly set forth by NCAA, and it's been like that for many, many years. You can even look at the bracketology blog on this site - throughout the season (and PC stayed in top 16 throughout) PC was always put in Providence (albeit at a higher seed than one they eventually came in at).


That effort to eliminate location advantage has clearly failed.

A matter of personal opinion.


First, Providence received an advantage that was wholly unnecessary to give them - There is no reason why that regional couldn't have been swapped out with another wholesale.

Or even better, they could have just moved Providence to some other site. Then, we could have watched MSU and AIC game played in front of 72 MSU fans that attended the game yesterday (71 fans + one creature in female form) and all 18 fans of AIC (families included) in a 12,000 people arena. Do you think Brown bids to see that? Again, NCAA makes it pretty clear the attendance will be considered and seeding respected. I can guarantee you that Brown folks aimes for: 1. best case scenario having both BC and BU in Providence (both would have felt more at home at the Dunk than PC); 2. BC or BU and PC; 3. PC; or highly unlikely 4. Brown.


There was no requirement to place Providence in Providence as they were not the host. They did not "earn" that advantage as they were the bottom seed in their regional. So the only reason to do it was for money

There's no "requirement" for sure, regardless of whether the team is the host or not and no, no team can "earn" that advantage. Yup, it was for the money, and I don't see any problem with that. This is college hockey, not college basketball or football.


Second, if there is going to be an advantage handed out, it seems much more fair for that advantage to be dictated by seeding rather than money (or in some cases flat out who can afford to buy it).

The system of regional tournaments, as they are now, can never be "fair". Leave the question of "fairness" for peewee competition. Which regional site would be fair to Huntsville? ASU? How about Alaska's teams?

In the end, you are contradicting yourself. First, you state there should not be an advantage based on location, but then you say it would be fair if it existed based on seeding. So which one is it, then?

ticapnews
03-31-2019, 11:14 PM
For all the Leah Hextall fans in this thread (https://www.espnfrontrow.com/2019/03/how-does-it-feel-to-be-the-first-woman-to-call-a-mens-ncaa-division-i-hockey-tournament-game)


It was a somewhat standard call, like many I have had in my 15-year career. I was thrilled that ESPN coordinating producer John Vassallo was asking me to work the NCAA Division I Menís Ice Hockey Tournament.

Calling an NCAA Division I Menís Ice Hockey Tournament regional was something I have never done and would further my experience as a play-by-play broadcaster, a role I moved into last year after more than 14 years as a reporter and host.

Bruin
03-31-2019, 11:30 PM
Huh?

That was the only way the fryers won in 2015 :mad:



:p

I wonder in which city did they win in 2015, and where was their opponent in the finals from? :rolleyes:

MavsFan
04-01-2019, 12:33 AM
It was a hit to the head. That will always be reviewed, as per the rules. It's either 5 or nothing. Was with a hardcore MSU fan yesterday, and even HE admitted it was the right call.

As was stated above, a replay review on a possible penalty can only be made to determine if there was a major. So, once they went to the replay, their only options were to let the no-call stand, or call the major. There was no way they would let the no-call stand, as there was definitely contact to the head, arguably deliberate. So, right call.

theprofromdover
04-01-2019, 05:13 AM
Sure but there was no call at the time. so to say that they would have reviewed because it was a hit to the head? How would they know? I don't believe they would have gone back but for the crowd howling, however sure, they might have. It just seems awfully fortuitious.

The lineman spoke to the refs and was clearly telling them he had seen it. Manurespreader doing what he does.

pgb-ohio
04-01-2019, 06:32 AM
There's no "requirement" for sure, regardless of whether the team is the host or not and no, no team can "earn" that advantage.Welcome to the conversation. Stick with it long enough, and you'll quickly see how complicated & unwieldy this topic really is. Let's start with these examples.

There's no such thing as earned home ice advantage? If you're going to spread that gospel, you're going to have to persuade the NHL, the NFL, the NBA and everyone else who awards home playoff games on the basis of regular season performance. The college hockey conference tournaments do the same.

The issue here is whether home crowd advantage is the functional equivalent of home ice advantage. Complicated issue. Good arguments on both sides.


Yup, it was for the money, and I don't see any problem with that. This is college hockey, not college basketball or football.If you really mean it, then you're in favor of using campus sites in the West. Clearly that's where the most potential profit is. In fact, as has been chronicled endlessly, they're the only sites that really work in the West, in terms of appropriate seating capacity and proximity to fans.


The system of regional tournaments, as they are now, can never be "fair". Leave the question of "fairness" for peewee competition. Which regional site would be fair to Huntsville? ASU? How about Alaska's teams?If the multi-year conversation has proven anything, it's that no system is perfect. But we can strive for the best possible system, or at least the lesser of the evils.

And please. We are where we are precisely because of demands for fairness. If it was just about the revenue, Yost & Mariucci would still be regularly hosting regionals.


In the end, you are contradicting yourself. First, you state there should not be an advantage based on location, but then you say it would be fair if it existed based on seeding. So which one is it, then?Perhaps Stauber1's post was a bit spirited, but this is not a contradiction at all. Home Ice/Home Crowd is fair if earned, otherwise not. You get your performance bonus at work if you meet your target, otherwise not.

ticapnews
04-01-2019, 07:19 AM
So the West regional would have been at the Ralph instead of Fargo. How much do you think that boosts the 4200 average attendance without UND in the mix?

The Midwest regional would have been...at Yost? Madison? That would have driven attendance through the roof.

Mankato still gets shipped to Providence regardless.

chickod
04-01-2019, 08:06 AM
You get your performance bonus at work if you meet your target, otherwise not.

We do? I want your job. :D

mookie1995
04-01-2019, 08:23 AM
. you get your performance bonus at work if you meet your target, otherwise not.

Oh wow is this cute :p

Not funny :mad:
But cute

pmcdonald
04-01-2019, 08:25 AM
Does anyone know when the future Hockey Regional Sites will be announced? I would like to see UMaine and the City of Portland, Maine apply to host a Regional at the Cross Insurance Arena. The Arena isn't on par with The Dunk, Manchester or Worcester but they did do a $30 + million dollar renovation a few years back that improved it to the point that they could host a Regional. The City of Portland is fantastic. The Old Port area, great restaurants, lots of bars, hotels, craft brew scene, etc.
Attendance at Providence on Saturday was 7,180 and on Sunday 5,231. The Cross Arena has a capacity of 6,733.

Russell Jaslow
04-01-2019, 08:39 AM
Does anyone know when the future Hockey Regional Sites will be announced? I would like to see UMaine and the City of Portland, Maine apply to host a Regional at the Cross Insurance Arena. The Arena isn't on par with The Dunk, Manchester or Worcester but they did do a $30 + million dollar renovation a few years back that improved it to the point that they could host a Regional. The City of Portland is fantastic. The Old Port area, great restaurants, lots of bars, hotels, craft brew scene, etc.
Attendance at Providence on Saturday was 7,180 and on Sunday 5,231. The Cross Arena has a capacity of 6,733.

Is that the same arena which hosted the D3 national championship a few years back? (Naming rights change so often, one can never keep track of what arena is what...)

chickod
04-01-2019, 08:49 AM
Is that the same arena which hosted the D3 national championship a few years back? (Naming rights change so often, one can never keep track of what arena is what...)

I believe it's the old Cumberland County Civic Center.