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robertearle
03-29-2019, 09:01 AM
The Gophs have not won the big one in 3 years!!! Frosty on the hot seat?

On a different day, Shaver's and Pankowski's shots are two inches outside the post instead of inside, a couple Gopher chances get through, and we are having a VERY different conversation this morning.

Don't be ridiculous.

ARM
03-29-2019, 09:11 AM
On a different day, Shaver's and Pankowski's shots are two inches outside the post instead of inside, a couple Gopher chances get through, and we are having a VERY different conversation this morning.

Don't be ridiculous.There were years where we almost beat you: NCAA Qtr in 2008; WCHA Final in 2011, WCHA Final in 2016. We didn't play badly this time, but Wisconsin was just better throughout.

Even if Minnesota had somehow stolen this one and Johnson's winless streak for NCAAs had grown to eight, I don't think he would have noticed any detectable warming in his seat. Not saying Frost is as legendary as Johnson.

Timothy A
03-29-2019, 10:28 AM
On a different day, Shaver's and Pankowski's shots are two inches outside the post instead of inside, a couple Gopher chances get through, and we are having a VERY different conversation this morning.

Don't be ridiculous.

Shaver's shot was a seeing eye sneak thru shot, the goalie is 100% helpless on that one since it was so tight to the goal when shot. Pankowski's in my opinion was questionable goalie play. She goes in that crouch and leaves the top open. I think if she just stays up, glued to the post with the stick on the ice there is no where for that puck to get in. It must be how they are trained to deal with that move from that angle since the St. Cloud goalie made same play in the 1/4er's and Clark sniped that one too from a zero angle over her shoulder.

robertearle
03-29-2019, 10:41 AM
There were years where we almost beat you: NCAA Qtr in 2008; WCHA Final in 2011, WCHA Final in 2016.



...and the 2012 final felt like a 50-50 proposition to me, like this year; and Wisconsin had a 3-2 lead going into the 3rd period in the 2014 NCAA semi; and the 2016 NCAA semi was an overtime, and ...

That's what makes it the rivalry it is.

5mn_Major
03-29-2019, 10:52 AM
My wife drives an Audi with heated seats. I just have an old Honda with plain-old, unheated seats. When we had that really cold stretch at the end of January/February, it was like sitting on a rock. So if coach Frost has some heat in his seat, then I wouldn't begrudge him that.

Anyway, let's look at Minnesota's performance outside of just championship wins. The WCHA has been in existence for 20 years. The Gophers have made the national tournament 90% of the time, including 14 of 15 after the field expanded to eight teams. They've played in the national championship game in half of those 20 years, winning 70% of them. UM has made the semifinals 15 times.

In the WCHA tournament, they've reached the semifinals in all 20 years, and have advanced to the final in 16 of those tourneys. They've won at least a share of the regular-season title 10 times.

I guess that we could look at it as Frost has been the coach for 12 years and only won the title in a third of them. So, there's that.

Frost is beyond reproach unless he can't do anything with the current group of strong recruits.

D2D
03-29-2019, 11:47 AM
She did battle injuries for much of her sophomore season.
Re: Robinson I was told by one of the parents that she also had injury issues this season.

oggie
03-29-2019, 01:32 PM
I would think anything less than a national title every other year with his advantage in recruiting would be underachieving.:eek: Weren't the Olympics last years excuse?:confused:What was this years?:D What about the players he has now?:rolleyes:

ARM
03-29-2019, 01:32 PM
Pankowski's in my opinion was questionable goalie play.I agree that she'd like to have that one back. However, the real problem on that play was Pannek's effort, or lack thereof. Brown was the only skater trying to take away the shot, and she had to come from across the slot. Pankowski needed to be covered by the other #19 and wasn't. The Badgers contested everything all game long. I don't like the phrase, because I think it is very rarely true, but the appearance was that Pankowski "wanted it more" than Pannek did.

KTDC
03-29-2019, 03:04 PM
I would think anything less than a national title every other year with his advantage in recruiting would be underachieving.:eek: Weren't the Olympics last years excuse?:confused:What was this years?:D What about the players he has now?:rolleyes:

One out of two, got it.

Now is this based on an actuarial analysis or is this just some half-baked theory of yours :rolleyes:

Timothy A
03-29-2019, 06:22 PM
I agree that she'd like to have that one back. However, the real problem on that play was Pannek's effort, or lack thereof. Brown was the only skater trying to take away the shot, and she had to come from across the slot. Pankowski needed to be covered by the other #19 and wasn't. The Badgers contested everything all game long. I don't like the phrase, because I think it is very rarely true, but the appearance was that Pankowski "wanted it more" than Pannek did.

I agree that lack of effort was an issue on that play and on Shaver's too because no one took time and space from Norby to make the pass and no one had their heads on a swivel to pick up Shaver cruising down the slot.

bluffrinkrat
03-30-2019, 01:27 AM
...and the 2012 final felt like a 50-50 proposition to me, like this year;

I disagree on both 12 & 19. After West gave the Gophers the lead back at 3-2 Raty just wasn't going to give up another goal. This year I thought the Badgers dominated the play throughout and not really giving the Gophers any chance at all. 14 & 16 I agree were tossups.

5mn_Major
03-30-2019, 04:10 AM
I would think anything less than a national title every other year with his advantage in recruiting would be underachieving.:eek: Weren't the Olympics last years excuse?:confused:What was this years?:D What about the players he has now?:rolleyes:

Well by your standards, Frost is just fine - he's won an NC 4 of the last 8 years. In all honesty, 2017 was a rebulding year after winning 4 of the previous 5 NCs. 2018 was an olympic year which did leave team gutted - how often is a freshman your top scorer?

This makes 2019 the only year that is even up for debate. Without a particularly strong team in UW it was an NC year - UW with 9 of its top 11 scorers being upperclassmen. The only two other losses came in series that the Gophers won with goal differentials of +5 (UMD) and +13 (OSU). No, UW was just too strong this year.

oggie
03-30-2019, 09:21 AM
I'm just sayin, looks to me like everybody else is catching up.
Bemidji has a great recruiting class,
Mankato has had two and 2020 is another great one.
I don't see a lot of coaching up. I see a distinct similarity to gopher men. Best talent top to bottom but you need role players to.

ARM
03-30-2019, 09:45 AM
I'm just sayin, looks to me like everybody else is catching up.
Bemidji has a great recruiting class,
Mankato has had two and 2020 is another great one.It would be nice if Mankato caught up a little. That program hasn't had a winning season since 2004, and hasn't reached double digits in wins since 2014. I can remember the Gophers losing to the Mavericks, but I have to think back more than a decade. So more competition from Minnesota State would be a good thing for the league.


I see a distinct similarity to gopher men. Best talent top to bottom but you need role players to.I thought that was one of the strengths of this year's UM team. People like Oden and Skaja clearly deserved bigger roles, but they made the most of what they were given in any game. As for a comparison to the Gopher men, I think you're just throwing some random comment out there without any basis in fact. You'll have to offer some support, or I'll assume that you're just trolling.

pokechecker
03-30-2019, 11:43 AM
Yes, but she does offer some skills that translate to being a forward.

she has a nice shot, seems to know putting it in the net requires something more than a hope and a prayer


Best talent top to bottom but you need role players to.

what was Skarzynski? and Robinson? are you even familiar with the team? BTW, do three MN teams making the #1 seed on the men's side finally convince U of MN they need a culture change???
ask me if I care ;)

2018 they lacked bodies and experience at the blue line
2019 they were still young
next year is their year

pokechecker
03-30-2019, 11:52 AM
...and the 2012 final felt like a 50-50 proposition to me, like this year; and Wisconsin had a 3-2 lead going into the 3rd period in the 2014 NCAA semi; and the 2016 NCAA semi was an overtime, and ...

That's what makes it the rivalry it is.

2015 was no cake walk either in the semi, when the Gophers survived the first period, that pretty much told me they were going to win it all
and then there was 2014 ....

IMO, it does come down to the team that wants it more, or does the little things, ... or puck luck ...
maybe that gives the Gophers an edge in 2020, only one of them have won an NCAA before

FredsDeadFriend
03-30-2019, 03:48 PM
Well, when it comes to scoring, UMn is losing 112 pts, while UW loses 157 pts and Clarkson loses 172 pts. So going into next year, without benefit from recruiting, the Gophers have the advantage. And the Gophers bring in more recruits than those 2 programs, right? So how do the recruiting classes compare?

vicb
03-30-2019, 05:04 PM
Well, when it comes to scoring, UMn is losing 112 pts, while UW loses 157 pts and Clarkson loses 172 pts. So going into next year, without benefit from recruiting, the Gophers have the advantage. And the Gophers bring in more recruits than those 2 programs, right? So how do the recruiting classes compare?

If you believe Neutral Zones evaluations of the Top 10 recruiting classes


# Name Conference
1 Colgate ECAC
2 Clarkson ECAC
3 Boston College Hockey East
4 Ohio State WCHA
5 Northeastern Hockey East
6 Wisconsin WCHA
7 Cornell ECAC
8 Dartmouth ECAC
9 UNH Hockey East
10 Providence Hockey East

Not saying they are right or wrong, just sayin what they are sayin. ;)

KTDC
03-30-2019, 05:17 PM
If you believe Neutral Zones evaluations of the Top 10 recruiting classes


# Name Conference
1 Colgate ECAC
2 Clarkson ECAC
3 Boston College Hockey East
4 Ohio State WCHA
5 Northeastern Hockey East
6 Wisconsin WCHA
7 Cornell ECAC
8 Dartmouth ECAC
9 UNH Hockey East
10 Providence Hockey East

Not saying they are right or wrong, just sayin what they are sayin. ;)

Thanks! Can I speculate that all these schools have more than 3 recruits in their incoming classes. Gophers have only 3 incoming.

The loss of HUX tracking incoming commitments is a big loss that this forum has yet to recover from :(

KTDC
03-30-2019, 06:51 PM
Top 10 Freshman Classes by scoring 2018-19
1-in addition, the Gophers Freshman class had 2 defensemen in Hengler and Ostertag who should be key players
2-Wisconsin, at #5, only had 3 freshmen
....................G....A......P
Minnesota.....44...82...126
Princeton......51...69...120
UMD.............43...72...115
Northeastern.38...61....99
Wisconsin......44...42....86
Colgate.........34...51....85
Yale..............30...51....81
BU................29...39...68
Harvard.........29...37...66
Maine............22...42...64