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manurespreader
04-16-2019, 08:55 PM
Maybe it'll get announced on the JSH?

GFM
Who knows but if they do it would be real important to find out all the reaosns why.

Laker Dude
04-16-2019, 10:18 PM
Heard a rumor of possible departures and/or releases of a couple of key players. I have been unable to confirm at this point so I will not share the names. Hope to find out more this morning.

Anyone else hear anything?

I heard rumor of 1 key player that will not be back from a former coworker who lives in the Houghton area.

gfmorris
04-17-2019, 01:24 AM
Who knows but if they do it would be real important to find out all the reaosns why.

I've seen players leave on their own volition and at the coaches' discretion across the league over the years, including at UAH (Corbett cleaned house after his first year). Very rarely have I seen details make it past the strong rumor level. As long as the student-athletes know why, things are okay in my book. (I have heard some UAH players say that this wasn't clear with Corbett's culling, but I strongly discount those given the source.)

GFM

manurespreader
04-17-2019, 05:10 AM
I've seen players leave on their own volition and at the coaches' discretion across the league over the years, including at UAH (Corbett cleaned house after his first year). Very rarely have I seen details make it past the strong rumor level. As long as the student-athletes know why, things are okay in my book. (I have heard some UAH players say that this wasn't clear with Corbett's culling, but I strongly discount those given the source.)

GFM
There were several tweets out of Umass about B Boeing playing for us and now on the UMass team. The inference was he made a good decision by leaving, but what they didn't say was that if he had stayed, he'd have made the tournament twice instead of once.

gfmorris
04-17-2019, 05:19 AM
There were several tweets out of Umass about B Boeing playing for us and now on the UMass team. The inference was he made a good decision by leaving, but what they didn't say was that if he had stayed, he'd have made the tournament twice instead of once.

An easy response to that is "quality over quantity".

GFM

rustedblades
04-17-2019, 04:57 PM
There were several tweets out of Umass about B Boeing playing for us and now on the UMass team. The inference was he made a good decision by leaving, but what they didn't say was that if he had stayed, he'd have made the tournament twice instead of once.

Played the same number of tournament games with one victory as opposed to zero

rustedblades
04-17-2019, 04:59 PM
I've seen players leave on their own volition and at the coaches' discretion across the league over the years, including at UAH (Corbett cleaned house after his first year). Very rarely have I seen details make it past the strong rumor level. As long as the student-athletes know why, things are okay in my book. (I have heard some UAH players say that this wasn't clear with Corbett's culling, but I strongly discount those given the source.)

GFM

If I remember correctly Pearson cut several players when he came on board also

Broseph Stalin
04-18-2019, 12:32 AM
I heard rumor of 1 key player that will not be back from a former coworker who lives in the Houghton area.

If you've been listening to every JSH you won't be shocked.

manurespreader
04-18-2019, 09:47 AM
If you've been listening to every JSH you won't be shocked.
No but I ask you, how many top programs, say Qpac or any other top small school program loses players. We lost a goalie last year and now another player. So as a program you have to review what you are doing and how you are doing it because you don't want it to be your fault a play doesn't feel welcome.
Also if there are so many top players available like US college hockey keeps saying, how come schools steal the players of other schools like this.? IMHO, This kind of thing is the result of constant phone calls from agents and other teams who seem to think this is ok. I understand sometimes a player is not a good fit, but it seems like we have too many of those and it's odd that its never one of the more average players.

gfmorris
04-18-2019, 10:40 AM
No but I ask you, how many top programs, say Qpac or any other top small school program loses players.

The Renouf twins went to UAA after not cracking the lineup at Quinnipiac: https://www.adn.com/sports/uaa-athletics/2016/10/05/uaas-renouf-twins-at-long-last-their-long-long-wait-is-over/

It seems like there's always a handful of guys who are in the 19-yo range that bail on school after a semester and drop back to the USHL to play as an overage player until they can re-enroll at another school without penalty. I believe that Packy did that when he left UVM.

GFM

Lost_Husky
04-18-2019, 12:16 PM
No but I ask you, how many top programs, say Qpac or any other top small school program loses players. We lost a goalie last year and now another player. So as a program you have to review what you are doing and how you are doing it because you don't want it to be your fault a play doesn't feel welcome.
Also if there are so many top players available like US college hockey keeps saying, how come schools steal the players of other schools like this.? IMHO, This kind of thing is the result of constant phone calls from agents and other teams who seem to think this is ok. I understand sometimes a player is not a good fit, but it seems like we have too many of those and it's odd that its never one of the more average players.

Players transfer/leave programs frequently. Tech has been lucky that we have had relatively low roster churn recently.

Joe and staff have a style they want to play. Player(s) have a style they want to play. Credit both coaches and players on not quitting on each other during the season. The offseason is a time when kids/coaches should evaluate their relationship and if both are meeting their needs. Coaches have expectations, as this is their job. Players have personal goals as many consider this their professional career.

No matter what happens, I hope all involved are happy with decisions that are made and don't harbor ill will.

Personally I don't consider Packy part of this discussion. Per the JSH, there was a style/personality clash between he, Joe, and the team. Joe and team set rules for Packy to follow and it didn't happen. There is a reason he was playing hockey in the UK.

gfmorris
04-18-2019, 02:05 PM
Personally I don't consider Packy part of this discussion. Per the JSH, there was a style/personality clash between he, Joe, and the team. Joe and team set rules for Packy to follow and it didn't happen. There is a reason he was playing hockey in the UK.

I only mentioned him because he's an example of transferring twice over. ;) Sounds like he's where he made a bed.

GFM

JohnsonsJerseys
04-18-2019, 02:43 PM
It seems like there's always a handful of guys who are in the 19-yo range that bail on school after a semester and drop back to the USHL to play as an overage player until they can re-enroll at another school without penalty. I believe that Packy did that when he left UVM.
GFM
Munson actually went directly to DU after Vermont but never played in a game that season because he was a transfer. So as a result he could play immediately for Tech when he arrived on campus. The benefit Packy got was that he earned a national championship ring while "sitting out".
Ryan

davyd83
04-18-2019, 04:32 PM
Players transfer/leave programs frequently. Tech has been lucky that we have had relatively low roster churn recently.

Joe and staff have a style they want to play. Player(s) have a style they want to play. Credit both coaches and players on not quitting on each other during the season. The offseason is a time when kids/coaches should evaluate their relationship and if both are meeting their needs. Coaches have expectations, as this is their job. Players have personal goals as many consider this their professional career.

No matter what happens, I hope all involved are happy with decisions that are made and don't harbor ill will.

Personally I don't consider Packy part of this discussion. Per the JSH, there was a style/personality clash between he, Joe, and the team. Joe and team set rules for Packy to follow and it didn't happen. There is a reason he was playing hockey in the UK.

And a reason Tech was his 3rd program...

Lost_Husky
04-19-2019, 09:45 AM
And a reason Tech was his 3rd program...

I'll give Packy the benefit of the doubt. Maybe Vermont and him weren't a fit. He was penciled in as Denver's starting goalie for the 2017-2018 season, until Tanner Jaillet returned. Then he went looking for playing time.

Any word on when said rumor will be made public, if ever?

Has Jake Jackson signed a pro deal, or was his injury bad enough he is going to need a year to recover?

beaverhockeyfan
04-19-2019, 09:59 AM
Read the other day on an NCAA proposal to try and cut down on the number of Graduate Transfers that are occurring in Basketball and Football, and wondering if it would carry over into hockey. Basically, if a team took a Grad Transfer on, it would count against the team's scholarship limit for two years, even though the transfer will most likely have one year of eligibility, unless said transfer got their graduate degree. The NCAA has heard concerns from some schools that the grad transfer rule has basically become a free agency process for the big boys.

Interesting thought, I kind of like it.

Lost_Husky
04-19-2019, 11:28 AM
Read the other day on an NCAA proposal to try and cut down on the number of Graduate Transfers that are occurring in Basketball and Football, and wondering if it would carry over into hockey. Basically, if a team took a Grad Transfer on, it would count against the team's scholarship limit for two years, even though the transfer will most likely have one year of eligibility, unless said transfer got their graduate degree. The NCAA has heard concerns from some schools that the grad transfer rule has basically become a free agency process for the big boys.

Interesting thought, I kind of like it.

I like the current Grad Transfer format. Student Athletes who complete their degrees should be rewarded, not punished. Isn't the goal to graduate kids? If they have a year of eligibility, want to pursue a graduate degree, and play their sport, they should be allowed to, no strings attached.

Most Grad Transfers typically aren't sought after by the professional ranks. They are too old and/or have a limited ceiling. Let them have their year of playing and don't punish them. In hockey it hasn't upset the competitive balance. One could also argue it hasn't upset the balance of power in basketball or football either. In following U of MI, their grad transfers rarely go on to have a huge impact. They have a modest impact and are borderline starters/stop gap options for teams. They rarely push the team they go to into the next tier.

John J. MacInnes
04-19-2019, 11:45 AM
I like the current Grad Transfer format. Student Athletes who complete their degrees should be rewarded, not punished. Isn't the goal to graduate kids? If they have a year of eligibility, want to pursue a graduate degree, and play their sport, they should be allowed to, no strings attached.

Most Grad Transfers typically aren't sought after by the professional ranks. They are too old and/or have a limited ceiling. Let them have their year of playing and don't punish them. In hockey it hasn't upset the competitive balance. One could also argue it hasn't upset the balance of power in basketball or football either. In following U of MI, their grad transfers rarely go on to have a huge impact. They have a modest impact and are borderline starters/stop gap options for teams. They rarely push the team they go to into the next tier.

This rule tweak does nothing to punish the player. He still gets to play his extra year.

Lost_Husky
04-19-2019, 01:28 PM
This rule tweak does nothing to punish the player. He still gets to play his extra year.

It does punish the player as it artificially increases their scholarship time. With a standard transfer, they have a one year sit out penalty, but get to practice with the team. With the proposed grad transfer rule, said player could come in and play, but the team would take a scholarship loss the next year.

If you were a coach and knew you could get an average to above average player on your team for one year, but have to give up a scholarship spot for next year, would you be willing to pay that price? My answer would be no nine times out of ten. It is a short term solution with a price that hurts your future. That is an unfair cost/punishment on a grad transfer.

gfmorris
04-19-2019, 01:51 PM
Munson actually went directly to DU after Vermont but never played in a game that season because he was a transfer. So as a result he could play immediately for Tech when he arrived on campus. The benefit Packy got was that he earned a national championship ring while "sitting out".
Ryan

Thanks for the correction. I didn't find anything quickly in looking about how he went to DU.

GFM