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Hockeybuckeye
03-18-2019, 11:17 AM
Now by all appearances it would seem after my recent posts on OSU's thread I'm crying sour grapes but I'm serious.
I've watched all of Ohio State's games this season and more than a few of other team's in the conference and I ask, is it my imagination or has the number of bad and non calls this season been abnormally high?
Of course such things are indeed a normal part of hockey and typically when you get a bad call you hope the next one goes your way because that's the way it is.
Does anyone else feel we have an issue with the level of good officiating in the B1G? After all, that call Saturday that cost the Gophers the game was one of the worst I've ever seen and in OSU's game how do you have a player go through your goalie like a bowling ball on the kingpin and no call?
And if we do have a problem where do you start, with the refs or Steve Piowtrowski, head of B1G officiating?
I would pay serious money to know how all the coaches will score and rate the refs post season but I probably don't have to guess how Motzko will rate them!

Bonin21
03-18-2019, 11:24 AM
Big Ten reffing was pathetic all year and I said it probably 100 times.

Timothy A
03-18-2019, 12:37 PM
B7 refs have sucked all year. Will the B7 recognize this and do anything about it? Probably not.

Hockeybuckeye
03-18-2019, 12:54 PM
Will the B7 recognize this and do anything about it? Probably not.
Which makes me wonder how much influence do the B1G coaches have if they are in agreement that there is a problem?

ExileOnDaytonStreet
03-18-2019, 01:13 PM
Maybe Randy Schmidt is available?

J.D.
03-18-2019, 01:15 PM
Anything from the league on the phantom penalty against Gophers in OT? Or is that kept inhouse?

Happy
03-18-2019, 02:08 PM
I am sure there really isn't anything they can do. They hire the best guys they can for the money, and we judge them using 5 different camera HD angles in slow motion. My nephew who really wanted to be a ref quit, because it is such a thankless job, and parents are the worse. So, the pool of people who want to be refs is disappearing. I am sure the head of officials is going to watch the Gopher game, and say, "God, did those guys get screwed, twice." But, all they can do is fine Motzko for his statements, because they can't go back and fix it now, or even at the game. And, it doesn't help that some teams are learning to dive like they are playing soccer. I would really hate to find out that the ref wanted the game to end, like Randy Schmidt did. I was so happy to see Don Adam gone from my life, but I expect the Big Ten refs to suck the rest of my life.

joecct
03-18-2019, 04:30 PM
Pi giveth and Pi taketh away.

bravohankins
03-18-2019, 05:40 PM
My nephew who really wanted to be a ref quit, because it is such a thankless job, and parents are the worse. So, the pool of people who want to be refs is disappearing.

My son, who played all the way up through Midget 18AAA, so he was a high level player, gave up officiating as well. He reffed all up through the levels and after he decided not to play any more Junior hockey thought he might take it up more full time and seriously.
However, the parents, coaches and tourney admins just beat all of those thoughts right out of him and he stopped doing it at 23. People are just jerks and many times had no clue what the rules really were. He was threatened, followed in parking lots, spit at......just ridiculous stuff.

So, yea WCHA refs stink too........bad calls every single game. However, who else you gonna get? The guys left are the only ones that have decided to soldier on despite the thankless job.

state of hockey
03-18-2019, 06:08 PM
Pi giveth and Pi taketh away.

Very true. Piotrowski has been a good friend of the Gophers in the past. Time to pay the piper, I suppose.

Hockeybuckeye
03-18-2019, 08:59 PM
Very true. Piotrowski has been a good friend of the Gophers in the past. Time to pay the piper, I suppose.He treated Michigan the best. He was always tight with Red, his best golfing buddy and he lives in Michigan.

Happy
03-18-2019, 09:31 PM
I would expect if you call the Big Ten offices, you would get "What, don't worry about it, Go finish filling out your NCAA BB brackets".

Hockeybuckeye
03-18-2019, 09:31 PM
I know McInchak & Pochmara who officiated the ND/Minnesota game and Aaron who was at OSU's are all former CCHA refs but I haven't had a chance to see where the other's in the conference came from, high school, OHL, ect before they were hired by the B1G. Does anybody offhand know?

Hockeybuckeye
03-18-2019, 09:40 PM
Pi giveth and Pi taketh away.
On the Minnesota thread it was said Motzko got into it with Pio after the game. Probably everyone within 50 yards could have heard what was being said. Wish I was one of them.

mookie1995
03-18-2019, 11:07 PM
when it's time to change
you've got to rearrange

Hockeybuckeye
03-19-2019, 06:58 AM
when it's time to change
you've got to rearrange
In what way?

alfablue
03-19-2019, 07:16 AM
He treated Michigan the best. He was always tight with Red, his best golfing buddy and he lives in Michigan.

So you went from perhaps having a point to seeing what you want to see. Plenty of times, Pi screwed us over. Not nearly as bad as Shegos, but he wasn't nearly the fanboi that many think he was.

And, like Happy- what's the realistic alternative? Asking for change when there's no good plan on filling the new holes of officiating solves nothing. There are issues with missed or phantom calls in all of the other conferences, we see them at the NCAA, we've seen them in the CCHA, we even see them in the pros.

What realistic option is there?

Even when we saw linesmen get promoted to full refs, some did a horrible job at it. Totally lost control of the game until there was real bad blood when there shouldn't have been any.

I'm not saying that nothing is done, perhaps get some video review of the ref-ing so that they can see what they over saw and didn't see. But other than process things, these guys are people. Just like the players. Mistakes are going to be made. You can only see what you can see, and you will miss everything you can't see.

Hockeybuckeye
03-19-2019, 07:57 AM
So you went from perhaps having a point to seeing what you want to see. Plenty of times, Pi screwed us over. Not nearly as bad as Shegos, but he wasn't nearly the fanboi that many think he was.

And, like Happy- what's the realistic alternative? Asking for change when there's no good plan on filling the new holes of officiating solves nothing. There are issues with missed or phantom calls in all of the other conferences, we see them at the NCAA, we've seen them in the CCHA, we even see them in the pros.

What realistic option is there?

Even when we saw linesmen get promoted to full refs, some did a horrible job at it. Totally lost control of the game until there was real bad blood when there shouldn't have been any.

I'm not saying that nothing is done, perhaps get some video review of the ref-ing so that they can see what they over saw and didn't see. But other than process things, these guys are people. Just like the players. Mistakes are going to be made. You can only see what you can see, and you will miss everything you can't see.
I did allude earlier that bad calls and non calls are a normal part of the game and of course we are much better refs than they are from the stands or our recliners at home.
But the question of this thread is has the B1G officiating been a problem lately well beyond the usual level of bad or missed calls?

davyd83
03-19-2019, 08:47 AM
So you went from perhaps having a point to seeing what you want to see. Plenty of times, Pi screwed us over. Not nearly as bad as Shegos, but he wasn't nearly the fanboi that many think he was.

And, like Happy- what's the realistic alternative? Asking for change when there's no good plan on filling the new holes of officiating solves nothing. There are issues with missed or phantom calls in all of the other conferences, we see them at the NCAA, we've seen them in the CCHA, we even see them in the pros.

What realistic option is there?

Even when we saw linesmen get promoted to full refs, some did a horrible job at it. Totally lost control of the game until there was real bad blood when there shouldn't have been any.

I'm not saying that nothing is done, perhaps get some video review of the ref-ing so that they can see what they over saw and didn't see. But other than process things, these guys are people. Just like the players. Mistakes are going to be made. You can only see what you can see, and you will miss everything you can't see.

Shegos was widely regarded as one of the best officials in college hockey. I always find it amusing that no fan ever seems to notice a bad call that went in favor of their team.

Hockeybuckeye
03-19-2019, 09:06 AM
Shegos was widely regarded as one of the best officials in college hockey. I always find it amusing that no fan ever seems to notice a bad call that went in favor of their team.
Our goalie during the Saturday game at Michigan State this year took an obvious dive and got the penalty called on the Spartans. :rolleyes: