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joecct
02-03-2019, 04:03 PM
Why not? I may be wrong, and I invite your comments.

The NCAA Division III Men's Ice Hockey Tournament is a 12 team tournament. There are 8 Automatic Qualifiers (Pool A) and 4 At-Large berths (Pool C). There are no Pool B selections. All teams not in Pool A are eligible for selection in Pool C.

For the 18-19 and 19-20 seasons, the NCAA Division III selections will be made via the Pair Wise Ranking System that has been used by our Division I brethren. The latest PWR ranking can be found here (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-iii-men/). The rankings used here are accurate as of this posting. After Tuesday, things may change.

Bracketology assumes the season ended yesterday. That is, no more games are to be played. In absence of the conference tournament, the first place teams in each Conference are assigned to Pool A. They are (with their PWR ranking in parenthesis):

Commonwealth Coast Conference: Salve Regina (17)
MASCAC: Plymouth State (33)
MIAC: Augsburg (11)
NCHA: St. Norbert (8)
NEHC: Mass-Boston (5)
NESCAC: Wesleyan (7)
SUNYAC: Geneseo (2)
UCHC: Utica (18) - Utica is tied for first with Wilkes, but holds the H2H criteria 1-0.

The top 4 in the PWR not otherwise in Pool A are then selected for Pool C. They are
Wisconsin - Stevens Point (1)
Oswego (3)
Norwich (4)
Wisconsin - Eau Claire (6)

That's it. The field is set. Let's sort them in PWR order
Wisconsin - Stevens Point (1)
Geneseo (2)
Oswego (3)
Norwich (4)
Mass-Boston (5)
Wisconsin - Eau Claire (6)
Wesleyan (7)
St. Norbert (8)
Augsburg (11)
Salve Regina (17)
Utica (18)
Plymouth State (33)

We have an 8 - 4 split. The 500 mile flight limit as calculated by the NCAA Mileage Calculator (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles) will be used to make sure that nobody flies until the Frozen Final Four

West
Stevens Point
Eau Claire
St. Norbert
Augsburg

East
Geneseo
Oswego
Norwich
Mass-Boston
Wesleyan
Salve Regina
Utica
Plymouth State

The 500 mile rule precludes any East - West interchanges for Round 1. Therefore, there will be 2 first round games in the West and 2 first round games in the East

Round 1 - March 9
Augsburg @ Wisconsin Stevens Point
St. Norbert @ Wisconsin - Eau Claire
Plymouth State @ Wesleyan
Utica @ Salve Regina

Quarterfinals - March 16
Augsburg / Wisconsin-Stevens Point vs. St. Norbert / Wisconsin-Eau Claire
Plymouth State / Wesleyan @ Oswego
Utica / Salve Regina @ Geneseo
Mass - Boston @ Norwich

The Frozen Final Four will be on March 22 and 23.
Winner of West bracket v Winner of Mass-Boston / Norwich
Winner of Plymouth State / Wesleyan / Oswego vs. Winner of Utica / Salve Regina / Geneseo

The Frozen Final Four will be held on campus this year. The location will be announced on Sunday(?) after the quarterfinal round

MELIN27
02-03-2019, 07:38 PM
Wow. Looks great. Thanks for putting that together.

KnightsOfTheRound
02-03-2019, 07:57 PM
Thanks for putting this together. Am I reading this wrong or would this be a 3-1 Eastern-Western split at the Frozen Four, and does that go against the committee’s alleged preference of a Western Frozen Four?

joecct
02-03-2019, 08:40 PM
Thanks for putting this together. Am I reading this wrong or would this be a 3-1 Eastern-Western split at the Frozen Four, and does that go against the committee’s alleged preference of a Western Frozen Four?

Unless Adrian gets in and makes the crossover into the East side, then it will be 3-1

Sir Nubs
02-03-2019, 08:46 PM
Why not? I may be wrong, and I invite your comments.

The NCAA Division III Men's Ice Hockey Tournament is a 12 team tournament. There are 8 Automatic Qualifiers (Pool A) and 4 At-Large berths (Pool C). There are no Pool B selections. All teams not in Pool A are eligible for selection in Pool C.

For the 18-19 and 19-20 seasons, the NCAA Division III selections will be made via the Pair Wise Ranking System that has been used by our Division I brethren. The latest PWR ranking can be found here (https://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-iii-men/). The rankings used here are accurate as of this posting. After Tuesday, things may change.

Bracketology assumes the season ended yesterday. That is, no more games are to be played. In absence of the conference tournament, the first place teams in each Conference are assigned to Pool A. They are (with their PWR ranking in parenthesis):

Commonwealth Coast Conference: Salve Regina (17)
MASCAC: Plymouth State (33)
MIAC: Augsburg (11)
NCHA: St. Norbert (8)
NEHC: Mass-Boston (5)
NESCAC: Wesleyan (7)
SUNYAC: Geneseo (2)
UCHC: Utica (18) - Utica is tied for first with Wilkes, but holds the H2H criteria 1-0.

The top 4 in the PWR not otherwise in Pool A are then selected for Pool C. They are
Wisconsin - Stevens Point (1)
Oswego (3)
Norwich (4)
Wisconsin - Eau Claire (6)

That's it. The field is set. Let's sort them in PWR order
Wisconsin - Stevens Point (1)
Geneseo (2)
Oswego (3)
Norwich (4)
Mass-Boston (5)
Wisconsin - Eau Claire (6)
Wesleyan (7)
St. Norbert (8)
Augsburg (11)
Salve Regina (17)
Utica (18)
Plymouth State (33)

We have an 8 - 4 split. The 500 mile flight limit as calculated by the NCAA Mileage Calculator (https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles) will be used to make sure that nobody flies until the Frozen Final Four

West
Stevens Point
Eau Claire
St. Norbert
Augsburg

East
Geneseo
Oswego
Norwich
Mass-Boston
Wesleyan
Salve Regina
Utica
Plymouth State

The 500 mile rule precludes any East - West interchanges for Round 1. Therefore, there will be 2 first round games in the West and 2 first round games in the East

Round 1 - March 9
Augsburg @ Wisconsin Stevens Point
St. Norbert @ Wisconsin - Eau Claire
Plymouth State @ Wesleyan
Utica @ Salve Regina

Quarterfinals - March 16
Augsburg / Wisconsin-Stevens Point vs. St. Norbert / Wisconsin-Eau Claire
Plymouth State / Wesleyan @ Oswego
Utica / Salve Regina @ Geneseo
Mass - Boston @ Norwich

The Frozen Final Four will be on March 22 and 23.
Winner of West bracket v Winner of Mass-Boston / Norwich
Winner of Plymouth State / Wesleyan / Oswego vs. Winner of Utica / Salve Regina / Geneseo

The Frozen Final Four will be held on campus this year. The location will be announced on Sunday(?) after the quarterfinal round

This will look silly if the west gets all four teams into the quarterfinals again.

NU Pastime
02-03-2019, 08:51 PM
Am I the only one to think it absurd that UMB can win the NEHC over Norwich and then have to play AT Norwich in the playoffs?

Edit: Though I assume that's a problem that might work itself out in the league tournament if UMB is to win out.

PrezdeJohnson09
02-03-2019, 09:14 PM
Am I the only one to think it absurd that UMB can win the NEHC over Norwich and then have to play AT Norwich in the playoffs?

Edit: Though I assume that's a problem that might work itself out in the league tournament if UMB is to win out.

Correct on all accounts.

But that very thing happened in 2013 or 2014 when Babson beat Norwich at Kreitzberg in the league championship, had to play a play-in game and won that and then came back to lose at Kreitzberg in the QFs while Norwich got a bye.

Sir Nubs
02-03-2019, 09:49 PM
Unless Adrian gets in and makes the crossover into the East side, then it will be 3-1

How does the 500 mile rule mean the four western teams will all play each other in the first round?

joecct
02-03-2019, 09:59 PM
How does the 500 mile rule mean the four western teams will all play each other in the first round?

D3 does not want to fly a team for the first 2 rounds unless it can't be avoided.

Adrian (<500 to SNC & UWSP, but >500 to UWEC) can shuttle East. Both Geneseo and Oswego are in range.

Sir Nubs
02-03-2019, 10:32 PM
D3 does not want to fly a team for the first 2 rounds unless it can't be avoided.

Adrian (<500 to SNC & UWSP, but >500 to UWEC) can shuttle East. Both Geneseo and Oswego are in range.

What are you talking about? You don't even have Adrian in the tournament in this bracketology. So it makes no difference since no one flies anywhere before the semifinals.

joecct
02-03-2019, 10:41 PM
What are you talking about? You don't even have Adrian in the tournament in this bracketology. So it makes no difference since no one flies anywhere before the semifinals.

No thit. I was illustrating that Adrian has been the only Western team that can (and has) go East. If they win the NCHA, that may be the case.

Sir Nubs
02-03-2019, 10:44 PM
No thit. I was illustrating that Adrian has been the only Western team that can (and has) go East. If they win the NCHA, that may be the case.

Quarterfinals:
3/4W Adrian at 1W UWSP
3/4W Augsburg at 2W UWEC

Problem solved.

pete99race
02-04-2019, 07:41 AM
Quarterfinals:
3/4W Adrian at 1W UWSP
3/4W Augsburg at 2W UWEC

Problem solved.

I would pay double to watch that first one live!!

spwood
02-04-2019, 07:49 AM
I think maybe they'd have all of the QF games in the east. For the sole reason of not making the #1 seed in the tourna ment play the first round. Plus you could guarantee two western teams if you've predetermined a western Phinal Phour. I think the east would play the four first round games and the four western teams would receive byes to the QF.

Plymouth State @ Geneseo (only 419 miles apart...)
Utica @ Oswego (that would be an entertaining first rounder!)
Salve Regina @ Norwich (another entertaining first round game!)
Wesleyan @ UMass-Boston

I would predict this as your first round.

Birdwatcher
02-04-2019, 08:51 AM
I think maybe they'd have all of the QF games in the east. For the sole reason of not making the #1 seed in the tourna ment play the first round. Plus you could guarantee two western teams if you've predetermined a western Phinal Phour. I think the east would play the four first round games and the four western teams would receive byes to the QF.

Plymouth State @ Geneseo (only 419 miles apart...)
Utica @ Oswego (that would be an entertaining first rounder!)
Salve Regina @ Norwich (another entertaining first round game!)
Wesleyan @ UMass-Boston

I would predict this as your first round.

I agree except.....1 "Big" upset in any conference playoff championship will throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing. A much "better" team will get left out. Two upsets and, Oh my what a mess !

PrezdeJohnson09
02-04-2019, 09:26 AM
Still a month left before we decide who the 12 will be.

At this point if you're not UW-Stevens Point or Geneseo, just win baby because otherwise you're dancing on dangerously thin ice.

I'd say those two, Stevens Point especially are all but locks right now. Geneseo probably is pretty darn close too.

Everyone else still has plenty of work left to do. The gap between 3 and around 13 can fluctuate pretty quickly. Norwich was 15th a couple weeks ago and is now 4th with this 12-game unbeaten streak. However, one loss and I could see them dropping quick.

joecct
02-04-2019, 10:43 AM
Quarterfinals:
3/4W Adrian at 1W UWSP
3/4W Augsburg at 2W UWEC

Problem solved.

Except Adrian to UWEC or Augsburg > 500 miles

Sir Nubs
02-04-2019, 10:49 AM
Except Adrian to UWEC or Augsburg > 500 miles

That is correct but due to travel the matchups would stay the same as the committee has done countless times in the past to avoid flights. Is it your intention to misinform people or do you simply not know what you are talking about?

Tom Coughlin
02-04-2019, 12:57 PM
Has anybody calculated the PWR from the end of the 17-18 season? I'm curious to see how the at large selections (especially Marian) stack up with what the field would have been like with PWR in place.

spwood
02-04-2019, 01:26 PM
That is correct but due to travel the matchups would stay the same as the committee has done countless times in the past to avoid flights. Is it your intention to misinform people or do you simply not know what you are talking about?

He's saying the problem isn't "solved" because your scenario involves a possible flight in the QF game, which I think is unavoidable. I agree that the committee would probably go with your assessment, unless they went way outside the box and had an Oswego Adrian first round game, with the winner going to Geneseo. However, in that scenario, my head hurts and I'm not looking at the rest of the bracket to see if there's a way to make it all fit without any flights until the FF.