PDA

View Full Version : Beanpot LXVII: It Never Gets Old!



Pages : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 [8] 9 10 11

Split-N
02-09-2019, 08:55 AM
Would I be going out on a limb if I predicted a low scoring championship game? Maybe 1-0 in OT?

J.D.
02-09-2019, 09:00 AM
You would only be going out on a limb if you were to predict that BC will actually score a goal

Split-N
02-09-2019, 10:31 AM
Follow-up to the last two posts: BC has been shutout seven times so far this season and has scored only one goal twice: NU, OTOH, has been shutout only twice so far but has scored only one goal six times.

J.D.
02-09-2019, 12:38 PM
The impending snoozefest will surely lead to greater fan interest!

Split-N
02-09-2019, 12:55 PM
For anyone out there who might be interested, Northeastern is conducting Beanpot watch parties in...

Austin TX, Clifton NJ, Naples FL. NYC, San Diego, San Francisco, WashDC, and West Palm Beach. www.alumni.northeastern.edu/events

AFAIK, you don't have to be an NU alum or have any connection to NU in order to attend.

Split-N
02-10-2019, 09:56 AM
Follow-up to the last two posts: BC has been shutout seven times so far this season and has scored only one goal twice: NU, OTOH, has been shutout only twice so far but has scored only one goal six times.

It's not just BC and NU that have scoring issues. Of nine games played this weekend:

--Five were shutouts
--Two of the winning teams scored only one goal
--Losing teams scored only six goals total

So I'm left to wonder if the real issue is lack of offensive skills or is HEA stacked top-to-bottom with shutdown goaltenders?

Rover
02-10-2019, 10:48 AM
Guys, you've diagnosed the problem without realizing it. The product sucks. Sports is entertainment, and nobody is entertained by boring games where a 1-0 score in insurmountable because no player can score with any consistency. The value isn't equal to the cost.

Back 4 years ago, Jack Eichel was all the rage. Media outlets that didn't even know college hockey existed were covering the guy when he stepped on campus. Even me, Rover, was wrong when I thought I'd never see a better BU player than Drury. I held out for a couple of months, but it was evident the guy was out of sight. That creates a buzz. Had he been playing for BC, NU, or HU I wouldn't have liked it but come Beanpot time I'd be real tempted to pay the vig to Ticketbahstid in order to see him play. Gaudreau was another guy where you always had your eyes on the little jerk to see what spectacular play he was going to make.

Now? Who exactly is a can't miss seeing live player in HE? Don't tell me a goalie because that's not the same thing. If the game is boring, and in BU's case we're firing pucks in from the blue line in the hopes one bounces in off somebody's rear end, be it a BU player or the opponent, I'm supposed to shell out a hundred bucks a game (I have kids) for this???

Hockey went through this 20 years ago with the trap. Bouncy ball the same thing about 25 years ago with those godawful Knicks teams. People won't pay big bucks to be bored to tears. Either improve the product via better players in HE or lower the price.

Harry Cleverly
02-10-2019, 10:55 AM
Who exactly is a can't miss seeing live player in HE?


Ryan Cloonan. College Hockey's Halley's Comet. :eek:

Scarlet
02-10-2019, 11:06 AM
Apropos of nothing, sitting here with my dad watching Cash Cab on Game Show Network and one of the questions was about the Beanpot. Ha! Random.

BCeagle
02-10-2019, 11:59 AM
Yeah, but that's only one factor. They have to consider the "cascading" effect that as attendance declines each year, it also diminishes the incentive to go. I don't want to pay that kind of money to go to a place that's 1/3 full with no atmosphere. So I don't really care about the sports marketing people. If nobody goes, the marketing won't matter (and more importantly, won't MAKE people go). Soon we'll be at the Rollerball (original movie with James Caan) level, where only corporate types attend, the playing area is surrounded by a moat or some other physical barrier, and the "common" person will only be able to watch on TV.

Point being, I think reducing the size of the venue is a LEGITIMATE discussion to have. And if you want to use the word "tradition," well, to me it has never been the same since it left the "old" Garden. (which I know is beating a dead horse, but to me, if I'm going to sit there bored I'm not going - at Hockey East last year three girls sat in front of me - they never ONCE even looked at the ice for five hours - they just talked, took selfies and kept their heads stuck in their phones - that's not an "atmosphere" that I want to attend a game in - where there is no excitement or enthusiasm). Put it in a smaller rink where the excitement is palpable. And for those who said it's "too small," tough. The Garden was "too small" also when the demand was greater than the supply. So create some demand.

I would think that if the semis would be held at neutral schools like BC / HU played at Mathews or HAA there would no problem with getting tickets as attendance has plummeted in general anyway and parking is a lot cheaper than at the TD Garden or adjoining lots around. $50 to park and high concession prices deter fans.

Harvard in general never has a big crowd at the Garden and even BC fans are less and less at home games at Conte. Lots of empty seats no matter what school attends and often people don't stay for both games.

J.D.
02-10-2019, 12:26 PM
Rover is right, product is also a factor. At least last year's NU team had that top line. Tomorrow's game has little appeal. With enormous goalie equipment and too many coaches scared to preach an attacking offensive system, you end up with boring *** 2-1 games with coaches beaming because their systems and structure were good. Systems and structure, just what fans care about!

Split-N
02-10-2019, 01:32 PM
...nobody is entertained by boring games where a 1-0 score in insurmountable because no player can score with any consistency...The value isn't equal to the cost...Now? Who exactly is a can't miss seeing live player in HE?... .


...With enormous goalie equipment and too many coaches scared to preach an attacking offensive system

I'll admit to be one of a dying breed that actually appreciates sound defensive hockey. Just about everyone these days is so preoccupied with the red light going on that defensive skills and strategies are neither noticed nor appreciated. That being said, Mr. JD is spot on about outsized goalie equipment. (I can only imagine what Jacques Plante, Glenn Hall, Ken Dryden, et al would have been able to accomplish with today's equipment.) Blame the IIHF, USA Hockey, and Hockey Canada for sitting back and letting it happen.

Notwithstanding the outsized equipment, HEA probably has the strongest league-wide goaltending I've ever seen. Start with Oettinger, Woll, and Pimeau. Then add Wall and Hernberg at UML; Murray and Lindberg at UMA, Hawkey at PC, Swayman at Maine; Lekkas at UVM, and Huska at UConn. Then Pantano at Mack has had his moments while Robinson seems to be holding his own at UNH. So in that sense, I'm not entirely surprised at the low scores.

BTW, maybe Tyler Madden is one of those players that's worth seeing live.

chickod
02-11-2019, 08:16 AM
With enormous goalie equipment...

BINGO! Go back and watch tape of an "old" game. The pads don't even come up to the knees and are half the width. Today's catching "mitts" are bigger than lacrosse baskets. I'm not taking anything away from the goalies themselves, but now teams want giants in the net and there is less of an emphasis on athleticism. They might as well just put one of those boards they use for the skills competition in front of the net and see if players can hit the hole. How is that a lot different from a 6-7 230 pound guy blocking out the entire net like driving behind a mini-van on the highway? (OK...so there's a "little" sarcasm there, but it's not that far off)

It's not that we don't "appreciate" a good defensive game, but the problem is, a good defensive game in basketball is a score in the 50s. A good defensive game in football is a score in the teens. But there is still plenty of scoring. A good defensive game in hockey is, what, 1-0? It's NO fun not to have ANY scoring. This is why I don't watch soccer. I don't want hockey to become like that...

Rover
02-11-2019, 08:37 AM
Rover is right, product is also a factor. At least last year's NU team had that top line. Tomorrow's game has little appeal. With enormous goalie equipment and too many coaches scared to preach an attacking offensive system, you end up with boring *** 2-1 games with coaches beaming because their systems and structure were good. Systems and structure, just what fans care about!

It's like watching Lowell play during their run like 5 years ago. If they got a 2-0 lead in the 2nd, you might as well go home.

I can appreciate a low scoring game with a lot of action. Remember awhile back the USA vs Canada medal game where Crosby won it in OT? That was an astounding display of skilled hockey being kept in check by great goaltending. What we're seeing in HE now ain't that. ;)

Changing the venue isn't the answer. Better players and more action (NCAA hockey passing rules further limiting goalie equipment is a great idea) is the solution.

EDIT: I'm also not sure of the current ticket allocation policies ("Paging Scarlet: Call for you on line 1") but less suits and more kids would help. Schools should purchase tix and offer discounts to young alums up to 10 years out. THAT's the people you need to capture to keep them interested in the sport as they get older and start families.

chickod
02-11-2019, 10:18 AM
Schools should purchase tix and offer discounts to young alums up to 10 years out. THAT's the people you need to capture to keep them interested in the sport as they get older and start families.

KEEP? They're not interested now...that's why the attendance has been declining. If they're not going now, what makes you think they would go as they get older?

J.D.
02-11-2019, 01:49 PM
Hutsko is out tonight, congrats to NU and Primeau on the shutout

Rover
02-11-2019, 01:57 PM
KEEP? They're not interested now...that's why the attendance has been declining. If they're not going now, what makes you think they would go as they get older?

1) its too expensive, 2) too many tickets to go suits instead of younger people, and 3) its a boring product.

Fix these all in tandem and maybe attendance picks up. Its not an either/or proposition.

JerryP66
02-11-2019, 02:22 PM
There is no question that BC and BU have been down the last couple of years. The attendance from those schools at the beanpot has been concerning. Harvard, do students know they play the beanpot? BUT, the garden could help out a liitle bit, my ticket is $45, parking is $50. Im out a c note before I even get in there and my $20 vanishes in the air when a say hot dog and a beer. C'mon, its a college tourney, if you want to fleece the bruins and Celtics fans every night, go for it. But can't they have an NCAA pricing schedule? You want students? Give them a break! Maybe with your purchase of a ticket you get a voucher for a $5 drink and hot dog, not beer obv. There are things they could do to try and increase attendance. Lets see a $200 night with ticket, parking, eating and drinking, or a $15 night at home watching it with a pizza. More and more people are picking the later.


1) its too expensive, 2) too many tickets to go suits instead of younger people, and 3) its a boring product.

Fix these all in tandem and maybe attendance picks up. Its not an either/or proposition.

northeastern
02-11-2019, 02:29 PM
all valid points.. not to mention the darn 4K, 8K whatever ultra HDTVs.. the reception.. its so darn good! (almost like being there)
my my, things they are a changing.. except the mind$et of folk$ that run these thing$. :)

McBain75
02-11-2019, 02:43 PM
The problems they're having putting people in seats are not exclusive to this event. Look all around college sports - even Nick Saban was complaining a little while ago about how the student section wasn't full for some games. Every program, for every sport, is facing the same challenges right now. The cost of going to games and a night out; the increased ability to watch pretty much any game at home, especially from higher level leagues; the time and hassle of dealing with a trip into town, traffic and parking; the bang-for-your-buck entertainment factor; all are valid reasons why every program is hurting for fans in a time of great interest in sports in general. Heck, I watch the NU games online, the end zones are full of students but more often than not the sidelines are too bereft of fans. Short term, programs aren't able to market that exciting college game atmosphere, plus they're out game-day revenues; long term, they're short on the kind of passionate, interested potential donors that fuel so much of these endeavors.

I make it to one or two games a year (from 450 miles away). Yeah I can keep up with things online, but I make the trips to BE there. To hear the fight song when they score, to smell the mix of cold and sweat and popcorn, to yell to some practical effect. It's simply too easy for too many people not to bother going however.