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wildcatcard
04-18-2019, 12:47 PM
Appointments such as Tosh, Franco and Carvel aint exactly screwing things up. Referencing him as "DBB" doesnt move the discussion forward and encourages abandonment of this forum.

Fact didn't Carvy start in 2012 and Franco and Bari in 2007? then didn't The AD start 2015. Maybe the SID has the wrong information on the dark web.

Where do we stand on the new coach for mens hockey?

Keith-Stone
04-18-2019, 02:03 PM
Someone mentioned the coach will be offered a lowball amount. I am really curious as to what a lowball offer would be for a small liberal arts school like SLU where hockey is the big D1 dog on a small d3 campus. Off the top of my head, I would have to imagine that a lowball offer there would be 120g? Even if that is lowball, there are some great facilities that come with it and that money goes a long way in rural upstate NY. Can anyone venture a guess?

joecct
04-18-2019, 02:39 PM
Someone mentioned the coach will be offered a lowball amount. I am really curious as to what a lowball offer would be for a small liberal arts school like SLU where hockey is the big D1 dog on a small d3 campus. Off the top of my head, I would have to imagine that a lowball offer there would be 120g? Even if that is lowball, there are some great facilities that come with it and that money goes a long way in rural upstate NY. Can anyone venture a guess?

Money does NOT go a long way up there. Things cost more to transport in, plus the high NYS tax rates. Housing costs are cheaper, but food, fuel costs more.

200K is about the going rate for a D1 coach. 150K would be a lowball.

wildcatcard
04-18-2019, 02:41 PM
Someone mentioned the coach will be offered a lowball amount. I am really curious as to what a lowball offer would be for a small liberal arts school like SLU where hockey is the big D1 dog on a small d3 campus. Off the top of my head, I would have to imagine that a lowball offer there would be 120g? Even if that is lowball, there are some great facilities that come with it and that money goes a long way in rural upstate NY. Can anyone venture a guess?

My 2 cents 175-225K... But what also is just as important if not more is the Salary for the assistant Msg boards were saying Keefe (sp) from NorthEastern made more than many D1 Head Coaches as an Associate. Hence, why i think he passed.

Also I will add this from Mass salary site. Keep in mind this was 2018 so can only imagine up from here in 2019Both the Amherst and Lowell campuses boasted top tier men’s hockey programs by the end of 2018, and the two respective head coaches, Greg Carvel and Norm Bazin, were featured on the list.

Bazin, whose River Hawks are currently ranked 14th in the country, was the 16th highest earner in the state, earning over $464,000. In contrast, Carvel, who earned roughly $318,000 in 2018 and sat at 63rd on the list, has coached the Minutemen to the second place ranking team in the country, with brief periods in the top spot.

Keith-Stone
04-19-2019, 06:58 AM
My 2 cents 175-225K... But what also is just as important if not more is the Salary for the assistant Msg boards were saying Keefe (sp) from NorthEastern made more than many D1 Head Coaches as an Associate. Hence, why i think he passed.

Also I will add this from Mass salary site. Keep in mind this was 2018 so can only imagine up from here in 2019Both the Amherst and Lowell campuses boasted top tier menís hockey programs by the end of 2018, and the two respective head coaches, Greg Carvel and Norm Bazin, were featured on the list.

Bazin, whose River Hawks are currently ranked 14th in the country, was the 16th highest earner in the state, earning over $464,000. In contrast, Carvel, who earned roughly $318,000 in 2018 and sat at 63rd on the list, has coached the Minutemen to the second place ranking team in the country, with brief periods in the top spot.

So if 175g is the assumed starrring point for negotiations st SLU, how much do you think Eric Lang is being paid at AIC? I know Atlantic Hockey is in the lower end of budget when it comes to how much schools spend on their programs. However they are getting much better so kudos to them. As much as I think Lang would be the right guy for this rebuild, I would feel terrible luring him away from AIC. He is an alumn and in 3 short years, turned that program from one of the worst in D1 for 20+ years into a legitimate contender and conference champion. They return almost everyone next season. I donít know if AIC could ever get someone like Lang again. Their campus is one city block long and has 1500 students. If he can recruit there, the guy can recruit absolutely anywhere. Iím curious what his end game is. Does he want to keep climbing the ranks or does he want to turn AIC into the next Union, Umass Lowell, or Minnesota State? Finally, I also love having Carvel and Lang 30 minutes from each other. Both doing great things.

I have no skin in the game. Iím just a guy that loves an underdog like AIC but I have two sisters that went to SLU and want their alma mater competitive again.

Either way, the next SLU coach will have a fancy upgraded facility ready to dangle in front of recruits faces. Hopefully they can find a younger, new age coach.

Ivan Lennon
04-20-2019, 01:46 PM
Fact didn't Carvy start in 2012 and Franco and Bari in 2007? then didn't The AD start 2015. Maybe the SID has the wrong information on the dark web.

Where do we stand on the new coach for mens hockey?

Just for the factual record: The ff. occurred under Bob as AD: "Franco and Bari" (?) administrative promotion; selection as head coach of Bob's former ***'t Tosh and extension of Carvy's contract.
No doubt the Charles Appleton II fund will welcome contributions from alums like you to make D3 SLU's hockey coach salary/endowment more competitive w/ deep pocketed exclusively
D1 programs.

joecct
04-20-2019, 02:00 PM
Just for the factual record: The ff. occurred under Bob as AD: "Franco and Bari" (?) administrative promotion; selection as head coach of Bob's former ***'t Tosh and extension of Carvy's contract.
No doubt the Charles Appleton II fund will welcome contributions from alums like you to make D3 SLU's hockey coach salary/endowment more competitive w/ deep pocketed exclusively
D1 programs.

The HHC 11 miles or so up the road makes over $200K

wildcatcard
04-20-2019, 07:51 PM
The HHC 11 miles or so up the road makes over $200K


I've been led to believe its much more than that...250+ ish....

W/ BG getting there guy and RIT extension for Wayne have to wonder if AIC will sweeten the pot to keep Laing....

FlagDUDE08
04-22-2019, 11:27 AM
The HHC 11 miles or so up the road makes over $200K

But that's also 100% endowment, is it not?

joecct
04-22-2019, 11:50 AM
But that's also 100% endowment, is it not?

Dunno. CCT's 990 has him listed as one of ita highest paid employees.

Wicked Slappaahs
04-22-2019, 08:38 PM
Does anyone have any actual info on the short list of candidates ...have they been on campus??? Any signs of life in Canton ??

Dmann
04-23-2019, 09:33 AM
Does anyone have any actual info on the short list of candidates ...have they been on campus??? Any signs of life in Canton ??

Frequent DU poster checking in on your thread. My daughter will be attending SLU next year and while on a campus tour, I fell in love with the hockey rink. So now I am ready to adopt the Saints as my second team. As for the coach search, it seems like there are lots of good candidates out there. What about Gwozdecky or Blasi? Too expensive?

wildcatcard
04-23-2019, 01:00 PM
Frequent DU poster checking in on your thread. My daughter will be attending SLU next year and while on a campus tour, I fell in love with the hockey rink. So now I am ready to adopt the Saints as my second team. As for the coach search, it seems like there are lots of good candidates out there. What about Gwozdecky or Blasi? Too expensive?

Blasi is cut from same mold as Morris. It doesn't work. I'm afraid, that many are too expensive. I hope I'm wrong, but getting feeling of SLU Lowballing!

GoldenBear
04-23-2019, 02:18 PM
Frequent DU poster checking in on your thread. My daughter will be attending SLU next year and while on a campus tour, I fell in love with the hockey rink. So now I am ready to adopt the Saints as my second team. As for the coach search, it seems like there are lots of good candidates out there. What about Gwozdecky or Blasi? Too expensive?

Only name being thrown around publicly with any hope is AIC's Laing. Gwozdecky or Blasi would be way out of SLU's league financially. While there is a lot of claims coming out of the Administration that they are going to up the pay for the coaches they will still pay way under the high majority of D-I programs even with the raise. Hell SLU lowballed two-time National Coach of the Year Joe Marsh for 25 years and then lowballed Carvey right out of town and were able to lowball Morris because he was willing to take it for another shot in the college ranks.

Keith-Stone
04-23-2019, 03:38 PM
Only name being thrown around publicly with any hope is AIC's Laing. Gwozdecky or Blasi would be way out of SLU's league financially. While there is a lot of claims coming out of the Administration that they are going to up the pay for the coaches they will still pay way under the high majority of D-I programs even with the raise. Hell SLU lowballed two-time National Coach of the Year Joe Marsh for 25 years and then lowballed Carvey right out of town and were able to lowball Morris because he was willing to take it for another shot in the college ranks.

How much do we think Lang makes at AIC now? What does the average Atlantic Hockey Coach make these days?

SluStatsMan
04-23-2019, 05:46 PM
Greetings -- It's been a super long time since I've posted here (kept myself busy posting 5 million things in the Facebook group), but with the coaching search underway, I'm checking in on the conversation. I saw that Joe mentioned CCT's 990, so I figured SLU and AIC must file 990s too (I had never heard of 990s, but figured they must be non-profit disclosure forms, and they are). I found a site that makes them available for free, although it doesn't seem to have very recent ones. The only one they have for SLU is from 2016, and it lists Carvy at $169K for W2 income and $31K for "other compensation". Durocher: $127K and $19K. Looks like that made Carvy's base salary the 9th highest at SLU.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/150/150532239/150532239_201606_990.pdf

For AIC, the most recent form is from 2017. In the list of highest-paid employees, Lang doesn't appear (nor does the word "coach"). The lowest salary listed is $127K, so apparently he was making less than that, which is what I would have expected.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/042/042103701/042103701_201706_990.pdf

wildcatcard
04-23-2019, 06:30 PM
Greetings -- It's been a super long time since I've posted here (kept myself busy posting 5 million things in the Facebook group), but with the coaching search underway, I'm checking in on the conversation. I saw that Joe mentioned CCT's 990, so I figured SLU and AIC must file 990s too (I had never heard of 990s, but figured they must be non-profit disclosure forms, and they are). I found a site that makes them available for free, although it doesn't seem to have very recent ones. The only one they have for SLU is from 2016, and it lists Carvy at $169K for W2 income and $31K for "other compensation". Durocher: $127K and $19K. Looks like that made Carvy's base salary the 9th highest at SLU.
https://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/150/150532239/150532239_201606_990.pdf

For AIC, the most recent form is from 2017. In the list of highest-paid employees, Lang doesn't appear (nor does the word "coach"). The lowest salary listed is $127K, so apparently he was making less than that, which is what I would have expected.
https://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/042/042103701/042103701_201706_990.pdf

His first year at AIC was 16*17 season. So most likely wasn't there a full year during the reporting period, if at all. (Depending when Finance year end is, gut say July-June)

SluStatsMan
04-24-2019, 12:01 AM
His first year at AIC was 16*17 season. So most likely wasn't there a full year during the reporting period, if at all. (Depending when Finance year end is, gut say July-June)

I did some more digging and found AIC's form for July 2016 to June 2017 (so the calendar is as you expected). He's not on that form either. So yeah, under about $127K.

wildcatcard
04-24-2019, 07:24 AM
I did some more digging and found AIC's form for July 2016 to June 2017 (so the calendar is as you expected). He's not on that form either. So yeah, under about $127K.

Since the fiscal year for college is 2016-2017 if you were looking at the 16 year wouldn't that mean 2015-16 time period? Not trying to be difficult or anything. Not sure what he makes thinking gut only in the $125-150 range. so your under 127 I agree with. In my eyes only, I feel the biggest issue is total packages not only for the Head Coach but AC coaches as well.

Its been one week since he has been on campus. Which is usually not a good sign as the old sayin' goes "time kills all deals". What i find disturbing is that no road map was in place under what if we fire the coach or the coach leaves. Short list should have been made, with in budget guide lines. It was stated somewhere i think SLU wanted person in place by AHCA convention that is May 1-4. That is 4 business days away! tick tock.....

SluStatsMan
04-24-2019, 11:38 AM
Since the fiscal year for college is 2016-2017 if you were looking at the 16 year wouldn't that mean 2015-16 time period?

No, it was for July 2016 to June 2017. (I believe the form said they filed it in 2018.)


In my eyes only, I feel the biggest issue is total packages not only for the Head Coach but AC coaches as well.

I agree. My understanding, though Carvy hasn't said this to me directly, is that his issue wasn't his own pay but the ACs' pay and other program resources. I think they/we would be best served by raising the HC's pay only a little and raising everything else by a lot (within whatever amount they can afford). btw, I also looked up Union, and Rick Bennett was at $199K as of a couple or three years ago.


Its been one week since he has been on campus. Which is usually not a good sign as the old sayin' goes "time kills all deals". What i find disturbing is that no road map was in place under what if we fire the coach or the coach leaves. Short list should have been made, with in budget guide lines. It was stated somewhere i think SLU wanted person in place by AHCA convention that is May 1-4. That is 4 business days away! tick tock.....

As long as the process they're using isn't the same as last time, I'm good! :D