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Dan
05-03-2019, 12:12 PM
Oh, you're right. I always think of the 4-2-4 transfer from a DII perspective - and its different from the DI rule. At the DII level recruits don't need to graduate from their junior college, they only need to pass full course loads for two semesters. I guess I never looked close enough at these transfers (a la Ben Finklestien transferring via the USHL as a So. not a Fr.) and always assumed hockey had a similar rule or a year in residence loop hole...

It would not be outside of the realm of possibility one could transfer to a junior college and take classes during the second semester, a summer semester and the following fall semester and graduate in December - but that would take a lot of work and (after your clarification) the fact that Budy is still not yet committed probably indicates he is not on that path...

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So that leaves UNH in a bind for next season. Here are a few of the better options (not including Europe) left, bearing in mind that Kallionkieli is probably committed by now if he had designs on playing college hockey this coming season (perhaps at all). He would be the home-run swing and maybe the only long ball left...


Marcus Kallionkieli - https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe...s-kallionkieli
* Helsinki, Finland (Holds Finnish AND Brazilian citizenship)
* Crazy potential - 29 as a 17 year old much of the season in USHL
* Projected top-3 round NHL pick this summer
* Exactly the type UNH should jump on earlier than others - give him an opp a year ahead of schedule (as their only real shot at this point)

Ethian Scardina - https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe...ethan-scardina
* 15th leading goal scorer in BCHL (26) at 18
* Played at Delta Hockey Academy with Budy (which would give him two friends at UNH come 2020)

Levi Glassman - https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe...5/levi-glasman
* Back-to-Back 20-goal seasons in the BCHL

Dan
05-03-2019, 01:04 PM
A transfer option that would be available to UNH could be Brett Murray (formerly of Penn State) and a recent decommit from Miami (OH). Murray decommitted from the RedHawks last week - whether that was in the wake of a difficult season and a coaching change or in an attempt to bypass college hockey I have no idea. Assuming he is still looking to play college hockey, he will probably a be pretty coveted prospect in the coming weeks...

Murray only posted 1-6--7 in 39 career games (over 1.5 years) at Penn State, which he entered as a true freshman, but he scored 41 goals and totaled 76 points in 62 games for Youngstown (USHL) this season. He would be skipping out on one rebuild for another at UNH if he chose the Wildcats.

He'd be a great fit on the left-wing for Pierson and Kelleher, allowing Crookshank to move to line two and play with Blackburn and Grasso. At 6-4, 200+ he is a big bodied type...

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/267772/brett-murray

islander98
05-03-2019, 01:11 PM
Scardina is a good prospect. I know that he is on the radar of a few schools. He is likely in final discussions with at least one currently. Glasman is also a good prospect. He has also got a few schools kicking the tires. I like Scardina's overall vision and hustle a bit better. However, he can be a bit of a coaster on the way back to the D zone.

Lemonade
05-03-2019, 01:44 PM
A transfer option that would be available to UNH could be Brett Murray (formerly of Penn State) and a recent decommit from Miami (OH). Murray decommitted from the RedHawks last week - whether that was in the wake of a difficult season and a coaching change or in an attempt to bypass college hockey I have no idea. Assuming he is still looking to play college hockey, he will probably a be pretty coveted prospect in the coming weeks...

Murray only posted 1-6--7 in 39 career games (over 1.5 years) at Penn State, which he entered as a true freshman, but he scored 41 goals and totaled 76 points in 62 games for Youngstown (USHL) this season. He would be skipping out on one rebuild for another at UNH if he chose the Wildcats.

He'd be a great fit on the left-wing for Pierson and Kelleher, allowing Crookshank to move to line two and play with Blackburn and Grasso. At 6-4, 200+ he is a big bodied type...

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/267772/brett-murray

Rumor I heard was Murray going to sign with the Sabres organization and will forego the NCAA.

C-H-C
05-04-2019, 01:00 PM
Robby Griffin 6í0, 180 lbs. right shot forward signs National Letter of Intent with UNH. Former Northeastern recruit plans to enroll this Fall. Neutral Zone rating is 4 out of 5 Stars. Excerpts from their scouting report at USA Hockey Selects17 Camp: ďdeceptive speed, strong edges, hi-level hockey IQ..skilled passer..rare ability to make plays both in open ice & in traffic..excelled on the power play and the penalty kill.Ē
https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/386334/robert-griffin

Dan
05-04-2019, 03:25 PM
Rumor I heard was Murray going to sign with the Sabres organization and will forego the NCAA.

Thatís the expectation around Miami - and it makes sense because the moment Mataj Pekar was not immediately eligible for the RedHawks, the Sabers swooped in and signed him, sending him to the OHL.

Itís an interesting situation for Murray, because if he doubled down his breakout USHL season he could play the free agent game next summer when Buffaloís rights run out and get a better deal/opportunity from the Sabers or someone else.

But it seems heís going to capitalize on his big season and that UNH would be out of the mix now anyway...

NCAA watcher
05-04-2019, 03:32 PM
So I was wrong in my guess about the additional forward they were trying to add. A nice pedigree. He's young, a true freshman, so may take a longer time to adjust, but I'd take the BVR/Griffin trade because it furthers an up tempo game, moreso with the 3 additional years. Griffin, like several of the UNH recruits (Jones, Curran, Devlin), is more of a playmaker than scorer, but with some stength can hopefully get to the scoring areas. I good third liner learning the ropes this year, with top line upside.

Dan
05-04-2019, 04:01 PM
So I was wrong in my guess about the additional forward they were trying to add. A nice pedigree. He's young, a true freshman, so may take a longer time to adjust, but I'd take the BVR/Griffin trade because it furthers an up tempo game, moreso with the 3 additional years. Griffin, like several of the UNH recruits (Jones, Curran, Devlin), is more of a playmaker than scorer, but with some stength can hopefully get to the scoring areas. I good third liner learning the ropes this year, with top line upside.

They really need to start adding more pure goal scorers. Can guys who donít score at younger levels grow into snipers at the college level? Most of UNHís big time scorers were big time scorers prior to Durham. Itís easy to project Stutzle and Margel as goal scorers because they always have been. Can you really project anyone else in the pipeline as any sort of sure thing to score goals...?

This likely sets the roster for the coming season - agree on a BVR/Griffin trade but leaves the team fairly unbalanced with their wingers. Adding Griffin probably puts four of their five best offensive wingers on the right side. Similar to the left-leaning imbalance on the blue-line...

Do they (most likely, IMO) show more belief in their LW scoring than I have and/or plan for a balanced top-9...

Crookshank - Pierson - Kelleher
Stevenson - Blackburn - Grasso
Herrmann - Engaras - Griffin
Esposito - MacAdams - Fregona
Sato - Sacco - Cippolone

Or does someone play on the off-hand within the top-six (my preference) - leaving them with a dangerous top-six, a developing and depth third line and a strong match-up/checking line...

Crookshank - Pierson - Kelleher
Grasso - Blackburn - Fregona/Griffin
Stevenson - Engaras - Griffin/Fregona
Herrmann- MacAdams - Esposito
Sato - Sacco - Cippolone

Or do they fiddle with their centers and perhaps free up a top-six left-shot winger in Blackburn?

Crookshank - Kelleher - Grasso
Blackburn - Pierson - Fregona/Griffin
Stevenson - Engaras - Griffin/Fregona
Herrmann - MacAdams - Esposito
Sato - Sacco - Cippolone

TheRevengeance
05-04-2019, 04:15 PM
From having tracked Griffin for NU I don't think penciling him into the top/middle six is even remotely a guarantee. He was not a top 20 point scorer in the NCDC, didn't have a double-digit goal scoring season above the U16 level, wasn't a top five scorer on his own team, and never played a USHL game. There's a reason NU didn't have him coming in this summer, I'm not even convinced he would have come next summer. Whatever NHL draft hype he once had has long since faded.

NCAA watcher
05-04-2019, 04:34 PM
From having tracked Griffin for NU I don't think penciling him into the top/middle six is even remotely a guarantee. He was not a top 20 point scorer in the NCDC, didn't have a double-digit goal scoring season above the U16 level, wasn't a top five scorer on his own team, and never played a USHL game. There's a reason NU didn't have him coming in this summer, I'm not even convinced he would have come next summer. Whatever NHL draft hype he once had has long since faded.

There's a difference between middle six at NU and at UNH. At this late date, the kids who UNH viably could get frm other programs are going to have questions. We're not U.Mass able to snag a 40 point USHL scorer like Keifluk, but Griffin is good for what we are now.

Sort of like Will MacKinnon last year -- didn't produce enough for Denver standards, but a solid #4 dman at UNH. Griffin has a bit more upside, and his scoring for a HS senior was not bad. I think the Jackson twins pushed to get to NU this year, leapfrogging him, to our advantage. And that's why I think the BvR/Griffin trade is good for both teams. You get solid known production, we get to play the kids and hope they find themselves.

TheRevengeance
05-04-2019, 04:46 PM
The Jacksons aren't coming this year either, they and Griffin were all always scheduled for 2020. They did briefly push for NU to bring them in early and signed NLIs during that time, but eventually cooler heads prevailed and they ended up back in 2020 which is probably best for all involved, although I wouldn't have been upset if they came this year. I would have been if Griffin did.

I agree with the BvR trade though, I'm fine with it now. I have a feeling I'll be less fine with it in 4 years, but that's a problem for 2022.

Dan
05-04-2019, 04:50 PM
From having tracked Griffin for NU I don't think penciling him into the top/middle six is even remotely a guarantee. He was not a top 20 point scorer in the NCDC, didn't have a double-digit goal scoring season above the U16 level, wasn't a top five scorer on his own team, and never played a USHL game. There's a reason NU didn't have him coming in this summer, I'm not even convinced he would have come next summer. Whatever NHL draft hype he once had has long since faded.

Itís all relative - UNH and NU are Iím very different positions right now. If he gets tossed into a key role right away it will says as much about UNHís offensive situation as it will about his present ability...

Iíd expect him to start in a developmental role on the third line - with a chance to move up - and if UNH is hoping he can achieve his potential than they HAVE to nurture it in a top-9 role, in a position to be creative and produce. Even if he does share many of the questions of a lot of UNH recruits - goal-production, NCDC background, etc...

He, Fregona, Engaras or Stevenson are the best candidates to round out the top-six.

I doubt they move Engaras off the center position or Pierson/Blackburn to a wing right away. Stevenson only scored in the BCHL at 20 years old - and still less than what both Vela and Fregona put up in the league at 18. Fregona hasnít scored much yet at UNH (or even been given the opportunity) though he can skate and has the skill - so, heíd be my choice but, whatever they decide, I think you can see the dilemma UNH has in filling out their top-two lines right now...

Dan
05-06-2019, 08:07 PM
JP Turner drafted 88th-overall (6th-round) by Sioux Falls in the USHL Phase I Draft...

Dan
05-07-2019, 10:45 AM
Margel drafted 7th-overall in USHL Phase II Draft by Madison - Margel was already extremely likely to play in the USHL, but I guess it will not be in Sioux Falls (who must have lost his rights somehow). This is an important day for UNH's older commitments - after having just one of their younger prospects (JP Turner) picked up in the futures draft - will their older recruits receive the opportunity to move away from the East and develop/play/excel in the much more competitive USHL...?

Dan
05-07-2019, 12:44 PM
Stutzle - Rights previously held by Sioux City

USHL Phase II Draft
Will Margel - 1/7 - Madison
Trey Taylor - 4/52 - Tri-Cities (Brother of Ty Taylor)
David Sacco - 5/64 - Waterloo
Robert Cronin - 5/68 - Dubuque
Aiden Curran - 6/84 - Cedar Rapids
Liam Devlin - 7/107 Chicago
Cy Leclerc - 8/117 - Cedar Rapids
Jack Ring - 9/137 - Sioux City
Morgan Winters - 11/157 - Green Bay
Nick Cafarelli - 18/273 - Muskegon

C-H-C
05-07-2019, 12:45 PM
David Sacco, 5th Round, 64th Overall by Waterloo Black Hawks
Robert Cronin, 5th Round, 68th Overall by Dubuque Fighting Saints
Aidan Curran, 6th Round, 84th Overall by Cedar Rapids

C-H-C
05-07-2019, 12:56 PM
Liam Devlin, 7th Round, 107th Overall, by Chicago

C-H-C
05-07-2019, 01:04 PM
Cy LeClerc, 8th Round, 117th Overall by Cedar Rapids RoughRiders
Jack Ring, 9th Round, 137th Overall by Sioux City Musketeers

Dan
05-07-2019, 01:23 PM
Jack Ring - 9/137 - Sioux City

Dan
05-07-2019, 01:49 PM
Morgan WInters - 11/157 - Green Bay

Very good showing so far today - I hope they all STRONGLY consider pursuing the USHL option aggressively (including those who have already indicated they may want to stay East/in Prep School)...