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After the Whistle
04-20-2019, 11:33 AM
"UNH Commits Update 4-19-2019: Final 2018-19 Statistics" (https://unhhockeyblog.blogspot.com/2019/04/unh-commits-update-4-19-2019-final-2018.html)
Features video highlights of Will Margel, Robert Cronin, and Tim Stützle

Always love looking at these! Thanks again for all your efforts and keeping us informed. Have to say that I'm still looking for a goal scorer to come in next year.

C-H-C
04-21-2019, 09:57 AM
2020 UNH Commit Tim Stützle & Team Germany won GOLD at the IIHF Hockey U18 Division I Group A World Championship. Stützle tied 1st in scoring (9 pts) & assists (7) in 5 games. He also scored 2 goals. He was awarded the top forward prize for the tournament.

Chuck Murray
04-22-2019, 09:23 AM
2020 UNH Commit Tim Stützle & Team Germany won GOLD at the IIHF Hockey U18 Division I Group A World Championship. Stützle tied 1st in scoring (9 pts) & assists (7) in 5 games. He also scored 2 goals. He was awarded the top forward prize for the tournament.

If we had concerns about this fish getting too big for our small pond before … the fish just got bigger.

Nifty16
04-22-2019, 07:32 PM
If we had concerns about this fish getting too big for our small pond before … the fish just got bigger.

On the optimistic side hopefully means our pond is getting bigger.

NCAA watcher
05-01-2019, 09:36 AM
2019-20
So.Crookshank--Sr.Blackburn---Jr.Kelleher
So.Esposito------So.Pierson----Sr.Grasso
Fr.Stevenson---So.Engaras-----Sr.Fregona
Sr.Sacco--------Fr.Herrmann----Jr.MacAdams
Jr.Sato----------So.Cipollone

Jr.Gildon---------Sr.Wyse
Jr.Maass---------Fr. Eriksson
So.MacKinnon---So.Verrier
Sr.Dawson-------Fr.McElhaney
So.Hickey

2020-21
Jr.Crookshank---Fr.Stutzle---Sr.Kelleher
Fr.Margel-------Jr.Pierson----Sr.Grasso
So.Stevenson--Jr.Engaras---Fr.Curran
Jr.Esposito-----So.Herrmann--Sr.MacAdams
Fr.Sweeney-----Sr.Sato-----Sr.Sacco
Jr.Cipollone-----Fr.Wazny----

Sr.Maass-----So.Eriksson
Jr.MacKinnon--Jr.Verrier
Fr.______-----Fr.________
Fr._____------So.McElhaney
Jr.Hickey

2021-22
Sr.Crookshank--So.Stutzle-----Sr.Engaras
So.Margel------Sr.Pierson-----So.Curran
Sr.Esposito----Jr.Stevenson----Fr.D.Sacco
Fr.Jones-------Jr.Herrmann------Fr.Cronin
Fr.J.Ring-------So.Sweeney-----Fr.Devlin
So.Wazny------Sr.Cipollone

Fr.Ardanaz----Jr.Eriksson
Sr.MacKinnon--Sr.Verrier
So.______----So.________
So._____------Jr.McElhaney
Sr.Hickey

2022-23
Jr.Margel-------Jr.Stutzle????---Jr.Curran
Sr.Stevenson---So.D.Sacco-----Fr.Turner
So.Jones-------Sr.Herrmann----So.Cronin
So.J.Ring------Jr.Sweeney------So.Devlin
Fr.Leclerc------Fr.Winters-------Fr.Carafelli
Jr.Wazny

So.Ardanaz--Sr.Eriksson
Jr.______----Jr.________
Jr._____-----Sr.McElhaney
Fr._______--Fr._______

C-H-C
05-01-2019, 10:00 AM
2019-20
So.Crookshank--Sr.Blackburn---Jr.Kelleher
So.Esposito------So.Pierson----Sr.Grasso
Fr.Stevenson---So.Engaras-----Sr.Fregona
Sr.Sacco--------Fr.Herrmann----Jr.MacAdams
Jr.Sato----------So.Cipollone

Jr.Gildon---------Sr.Wyse
Jr.Maass---------Fr. Eriksson
So.MacKinnon---So.Verrier
Sr.Dawson-------Fr.McElhaney
So.Hickey

2020-21
Jr.Crookshank---Fr.Stutzle---Sr.Kelleher
Fr.Margel-------Jr.Pierson----Sr.Grasso
So.Stevenson--Jr.Engaras---Fr.Curran
Jr.Esposito-----So.Herrmann--Sr.MacAdams
Fr.Sweeney-----Sr.Sato-----Sr.Sacco
Jr.Cipollone-----Fr.Wazny----

Sr.Maass-----So.Eriksson
Jr.MacKinnon--Jr.Verrier
Fr.______-----Fr.________
Fr._____------So.McElhaney
Jr.Hickey

2021-22
Sr.Crookshank--So.Stutzle-----Sr.Engaras
So.Margel------Sr.Pierson-----So.Curran
Sr.Esposito----Jr.Stevenson----Fr.D.Sacco
Fr.Jones-------Jr.Herrmann------Fr.Cronin
Fr.J.Ring-------So.Sweeney-----Fr.Devlin
So.Wazny------Sr.Cipollone

Fr.Ardanaz----Jr.Eriksson
Sr.MacKinnon--Sr.Verrier
So.______----So.________
So._____------Jr.McElhaney
Sr.Hickey

2022-23
Jr.Margel-------Jr.Stutzle????---Jr.Curran
Sr.Stevenson---So.D.Sacco-----Fr.Turner
So.Jones-------Sr.Herrmann----So.Cronin
So.J.Ring------Jr.Sweeney------So.Devlin
Fr.Leclerc------Fr.Winters-------Fr.Carafelli
Jr.Wazny

So.Ardanaz--Sr.Eriksson
Jr.______----Jr.________
Jr._____-----Sr.McElhaney
Fr._______--Fr._______

Some dynamic forward lines, particularly starting in Fall 2020

UNH1932
05-01-2019, 11:17 AM
They are not done with recruiting this year. Maybe one more impact forward this year and they will be on the trail for a few top tier defensemen for next year and beyond. You are correct CHC that our future forward lines are very dynamic. We might need a large body forward for some protection. Thanks for hockey chatter as it seems to be all over the map for everything but college hockey.

Snively65
05-01-2019, 01:14 PM
They are not done with recruiting this year. Maybe one more impact forward this year and they will be on the trail for a few top tier defensemen for next year and beyond. You are correct CHC that our future forward lines are very dynamic. We might need a large body forward for some protection. Thanks for hockey chatter as it seems to be all over the map for everything but college hockey.

You must be referring to the other UNH thread, 32? The one with Chuck Connors, the Rifleman on TV?

But, back to incoming UNH recruits. What does the word "dynamic" mean above? Multiple freshmen skating on the top two lines? Or? Also, the word "protection"? Back in the day, every NHL team had an "enforcer," but I never thought that those players were a big part of college hockey. Anyway, just curious about the context of these words. I am definitely upbeat about many of Souza's recruits.

e.cat
05-01-2019, 03:20 PM
You must be referring to the other UNH thread, 32? The one with Chuck Connors, the Rifleman on TV?

But, back to incoming UNH recruits. What does the word "dynamic" mean above? Multiple freshmen skating on the top two lines? Or? Also, the word "protection"? Back in the day, every NHL team had an "enforcer," but I never thought that those players were a big part of college hockey. Anyway, just curious about the context of these words. I am definitely upbeat about many of Souza's recruits.

IIRC, Chuck took us down the Celtics rabbit hole!

But back to hockey, when should we expect to get the definitive answer on BvR??

Dan
05-01-2019, 03:44 PM
IIRC, Chuck took us down the Celtics rabbit hole!

But back to hockey, when should we expect to get the definitive answer on BvR??

He’s gone. He was gone when he entered the portal. Divver is not some irresponsible reporter - when he ‘hears’ something it means he has a real good source on a story - perhaps NU themselves. He’s not rumor-mongering...

Nothing can be announced by NU until they get a signed financial aid agreement/scholarship which is likely to be contingent on BVR finishing his UNH course work and graduating. Even then they may wait until they wrap up and announce their entire class. It’s a matter of time and compliance...

It’s how everyone knew NU’s Ryan Ruck was transferring to CC - but official stories and releases didn’t break until yesterday. The day final grades were in at NU. Assuming BVR needs no additional summer coursework - spring semester graduation for UNH is May 18...

The only thing left to worry about regarding BVR is whether this is a one-off or might set a precedent for other upperclassmen should UNH fail to make an NCAA Tournament or exhibit legitimate competitiveness this coming season...

Dan
05-01-2019, 03:51 PM
As for the incoming F’s - it’s still Stutzle, Margel and a whole lot of question marks. Junior hockey assignments for the coming year is the first step to answering those questions...

Stutzle should be in Sioux City. Margel should be in Sioux Falls. Nice to see Sweeney get out of the east to the BCHL - now can he score at that level? Will any of Curran, Wazny, Jones or Cronin join him? Or better yet, head to the USHL...

Can those remaining in prep-school take the next step from good enough to dominant...

e.cat
05-01-2019, 03:58 PM
He’s gone. He was gone when he entered the portal. Divver is not some irresponsible reporter - when he ‘hears’ something it means he has a real good source on a story - perhaps NU themselves. He’s not rumor-mongering...

Nothing can be announced by NU until they get a signed financial aid agreement/scholarship which is likely to be contingent on BVR finishing his UNH course work and graduating. Even then they may wait until they wrap up and announce their entire class. It’s a matter of time and compliance...

It’s how everyone knew NU’s Ryan Ruck was transferring to CC - but official stories and releases didn’t break until yesterday. The day final grades were in at NU. Assuming BVR needs no additional summer coursework - spring semester graduation for UNH is May 18...

The only thing left to worry about regarding JVR is whether this is a one-off or might set a precedent for other upperclassmen should UNH fail to make an NCAA Tournament or exhibit legitimate competitiveness this coming season...

Fair enough! Thanks for that Dan.

I share your concern about other possible defections. On the other hand, I kinda like the idea of players having some options should they decide to opt into the portal. This can work in UNH's favor at some point down the line also. I think it was you who said BvR is easily replaceable anyway. Apologies if it wasn't you. At any rate, I wish him well moving forward.

Dan
05-01-2019, 04:29 PM
Fair enough! Thanks for that Dan.

I share your concern about other possible defections. On the other hand, I kinda like the idea of players having some options should they decide to opt into the portal. This can work in UNH's favor at some point down the line also. I think it was you who said BvR is easily replaceable anyway. Apologies if it wasn't you. At any rate, I wish him well moving forward.

In a vacuum, the portal is great for the players. They should have that freedom - especially since a number of sports allow free transfers already. When it happens to your team, its a tougher pill to swallow. I don't begrudge BVR in the least. I wouldn't have (meant to) say he is easily replaceable - but I would agree that his departure is not an insurmountable obstacle to success next season. UNH should be able to cover his departure simply by getting an eligible Engaras into the fold. Engaras is a two-way center who can (at the very least) chip in some offense, check and kill penalties. Hopefully more than that. Improvement from guys like MacAdams, Esposito and Fregona can also make up for the loss of BVR, and his on-ice impact. They should be fine - and I also wish BVR well and hope he takes a big step at NU...

The biggest key to UNH's season next year will be what they need out of their top returning forwards - i.e. senior (four-year) jumps from Blackburn and Grasso and notable improvements from now experienced underclassmen like Kelleher, Pierson and Crookshank...

Blackburn is more smart and positional with good hands around the goal than he is a sniper and while expectations were through the roof for Grasso after he scored 20-goals as a FR (9 came on the PP) - his last two seasons were more in line with his early junior career. But both are 23 years old come the fall and have 30-some goals at the college level under their belts. They need to deliver UNH, what they used to get all the time, a senior bump a la Austin Block (15 goals) or Nick Sorkin (20 goals).

At least two of, Kelleher (yes, he's a junior), Pierson and Crookshank need to deliver a sophomore/underclass breakout along the lines of what UNH used to get from guys like Trevor Smith (20 to 43 points) if not quite Jason Krog (20 to 67 points). They'll need to find a sixth-scoring forward - a Dan Correale type - who can ride shotgun in the top six (probably Fregona). Or add another top-end, forward recruit (my preference). Had BVR remained, he would have helped with, and added depth to, that search, but they have other options and the first-five are the real key to success for 2019-20.

The bottom six should be strong, capable defensively and on the forecheck, while give them enough scoring with Engaras, MacAdams, Esposito and Stevenson, etc. The defense and goaltending should be a strength. It all comes down to whether or not (and how much) the top talents produce...

UNH1932
05-01-2019, 05:19 PM
You must be referring to the other UNH thread, 32? The one with Chuck Connors, the Rifleman on TV?

But, back to incoming UNH recruits. What does the word "dynamic" mean above? Multiple freshmen skating on the top two lines? Or? Also, the word "protection"? Back in the day, every NHL team had an "enforcer," but I never thought that those players were a big part of college hockey. Anyway, just curious about the context of these words. I am definitely upbeat about many of Souza's recruits.

Snively

Elite forwards coming in over the next several years with pedigree is dynamic. I am not looking for Terry O'Reilly or Dave Schultz but a large body forward who will get through the blue line and open spaces for the goal scorers. We have quite a few small forwards getting hit hard in hockey east and it always helps to return the favor. Esposito will fit well on any of the 2nd to fourth line and MacAdam is also someone who opens lanes and is not afraid to go into the dirty zones. Pat Foley, Souza, Eddie Caron and many others in the late 90's to mid-00's that were 200+ pound players to slow down the opposition and protection was not meant to be a goon.

Snively65
05-01-2019, 06:30 PM
Snively

Elite forwards coming in over the next several years with pedigree is dynamic. I am not looking for Terry O'Reilly or Dave Schultz but a large body forward who will get through the blue line and open spaces for the goal scorers. We have quite a few small forwards getting hit hard in hockey east and it always helps to return the favor. Esposito will fit well on any of the 2nd to fourth line and MacAdam is also someone who opens lanes and is not afraid to go into the dirty zones. Pat Foley, Souza, Eddie Caron and many others in the late 90's to mid-00's that were 200+ pound players to slow down the opposition and protection was not meant to be a goon.

Or, someone like Warren Foegele; I am watching him mix up things in the corner right now.:-)

NCAA watcher
05-03-2019, 07:21 AM
Snively

Elite forwards coming in over the next several years with pedigree is dynamic.

I'd be interested to hear which forwards you believe to have the pedigree, and what those pedigrees are.

I ask, because my view is that, other than Stutzle, UNH's approach is pointed less toward quality, and more for quantity (lower tier partial scholarship kids) who may develop, as most of the committed kids are projected to need to their 20 year old seasons before coming to UNH, and few are at the top of the usual indicators/pedigree that dot the rosters of BC/BU/Northeastern/Providence.

It may be that this is by choice, not necessity, and they view this as the preferred route. But in preparing my little doodle of potential lines, I was hard pressed to know that a kid could fill the upper line role. I mean, even Margel or Curran, their second most promising forward recruits, are far from a sure thing.


Also, am I correct that the impact forward you were alluding to committed to U.Mass yesterday?

Dan
05-03-2019, 09:00 AM
And Matias Maccelli is out - he's heading back to Finland to play professional hockey. Paging Brendan Budy...

NCAA watcher
05-03-2019, 09:34 AM
And Matias Maccelli is out - he's heading back to Finland to play professional hockey. Paging Brendan Budy...

Budy would probably not be eligible until 2020, much like James Miller when he left UNH after a semester. He came in as a true freshman, so probably can't finish a two year degree this summer. Unless its an overseas kid like Engaras, my bet was that UNH hoped for Kiefluk, who visited out east here after he decommitted from Michigan. Alas, if my guess is accurate, another sign that there is a new pecking order, and we could not compete with U.Mass. U.Mass is getting the kids with the "pedigree" that UNH1932 speaks of -- invited to USA camps, drafted high in the USHL draft, Ontario draft picks, etc.

Dan
05-03-2019, 11:03 AM
Budy would probably not be eligible until 2020, much like James Miller when he left UNH after a semester. He came in as a true freshman, so probably can't finish a two year degree this summer. Unless its an overseas kid like Engaras, my bet was that UNH hoped for Kiefluk, who visited out east here after he decommitted from Michigan. Alas, if my guess is accurate, another sign that there is a new pecking order, and we could not compete with U.Mass. U.Mass is getting the kids with the "pedigree" that UNH1932 speaks of -- invited to USA camps, drafted high in the USHL draft, Ontario draft picks, etc.

Budy should be eligible second semester, No? Similar to Matt Barry transferring from Holy Cross to Miami and being eligible January of 2020. Budy only played in six games at Denver and left in December. It’s not ideal - but it would be a big boost in the second half for the bulk of the HE schedule.

Or are you implying there is a rule for hockey players who do not transfer directly from one school to another requiring a two-year degree completion before returning to an NCAA program?

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I agree completely with your take on the recruiting class - I see far more wait and see than dynamic pedigree, though I think I’m higher on expectations for Margel and less so on Curran.

NCAA watcher
05-03-2019, 11:17 AM
Budy should be eligible second semester, No? Similar to Matt Barry transferring from Holy Cross to Miami and being eligible January of 2020. Budy only played in six games at Denver and left in December. It’s not ideal - but it would be a big boost in the second half for the bulk of the HE schedule.

Or are you implying there is a rule for hockey players who do not transfer directly from one school to another requiring a two-year degree completion before returning to an NCAA program?


Have to be in residence at the new school for a year. The exception is the 4-2-4 transfer, where you transfer from a 4 year school to a 2 year school, get your degree, and then return to a four year school. In effect, transfer from a junior college, starting right away at the new school. Berry did a traditional transfer mid year so was at Miami starting January 2019. Budy obviously would not be at new school until September so a year from then.

So, from my understanding, the only way to get eligible right away (what guys who return to junior hockey do) would be the 4-2-4 route, but Budy, being a true freshman, probably had no other credits hanging around so only has the Denver credits, meaning can't do the "2" part of the 4-2-4 yet. I imagine he'll spend next year at Tri-City, just like James Miller spent another year at Penticton to get his 2 year degree.