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FLHockeyMom
02-27-2019, 03:41 PM
I appreciate the welcome guys! I've attached the link to my spreadsheet, feel free to take a look. My spreadsheet is more geared toward how the guys in the pipeline are performing in their respective leagues this year. Its definitely not perfect, as I couldn't find stats for some players and some of the entrance years are off.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qDpo9nEspXPj2BrDXZP3kzXHibU2qcrYCQoIlicix5U/edit?usp=sharing

Patrick Keegan info at Cushing in NE prep:

https://www.neutralzone.net/prep-mens/player/patrick-keegan-127/

You can also search this site for other NE prep players, although I realize UW doesn't recruit a lot out east.

MadCityRich
02-27-2019, 11:26 PM
Patrick Keegan info at Cushing in NE prep:

https://www.neutralzone.net/prep-mens/player/patrick-keegan-127/

You can also search this site for other NE prep players, although I realize UW doesn't recruit a lot out east.

Thank you, Mrs. Keegan! 😉😁

....and welcome; I don't recall seeing you post! Seriously, you are correct about Coasties coming here. I hope Patrick is solid; we need defensemen.

Wisko McBadgerton
02-28-2019, 10:32 AM
Thank you, Mrs. Keegan! 😉😁

....and welcome; I don't recall seeing you post! Seriously, you are correct about Coasties coming here. I hope Patrick is solid; we need defensemen.

I watched one of Keegan's games a couple weeks ago. Good skater, looks bigger and heavier than he's even listed (6'3 - 235) but that could be because he's playing preps. Dominates puck battles behind the net and plays a simple game. Reminds me a lot of a heavier Eddie Wittchow. He's raw still, but there's a lot of potential there.

Elsewhere Dylan Holloway has won the Old Time Hockey Players Trophy as the AJHL MVP. Kind of a stunning accomplishment for a kid not yet in his draft year as the AJHL is usually dominated by 20 year olds. I believe the last guy to do that was Dany Heatley who, of course, went on to be drafted #2 overall after his freshman year as a Badger. In 2017 Cale Makar was the MVP in his draft year where he went #4 overall. He now is a soph with 11g-25a-36pts from the blue line for #2 ranked UMASS.

Wisko McBadgerton
02-28-2019, 01:18 PM
Future Badgers Ethan Mann with a goal and an assist, and Casey Roepke with an assist on the GWG halfway through the third, as USM hangs on to defeat Onalaska 4-3 in the state quarterfinal today.

Timothy A
02-28-2019, 03:26 PM
I watched one of Keegan's games a couple weeks ago. Good skater, looks bigger and heavier than he's even listed (6'3 - 235) but that could be because he's playing preps. Dominates puck battles behind the net and plays a simple game. Reminds me a lot of a heavier Eddie Wittchow. He's raw still, but there's a lot of potential there.

Elsewhere Dylan Holloway has won the Old Time Hockey Players Trophy as the AJHL MVP. Kind of a stunning accomplishment for a kid not yet in his draft year as the AJHL is usually dominated by 20 year olds. I believe the last guy to do that was Dany Heatley who, of course, went on to be drafted #2 overall after his freshman year as a Badger.

I seriously cannot wait for next year. It's going to be CRAZY.

Wisko McBadgerton
02-28-2019, 10:37 PM
Ryder Donovan scores the GWG in OT to upset top seed and 4th ranked Andover, sending the Duluth East Greyhounds back to the MN State tourney.

Gotta love players that come up big in big situations.

MadCityRich
02-28-2019, 11:58 PM
I seriously cannot wait for next year. It's going to be CRAZY.

We're going to have to score a schitt load of goals. I'm still waiting to land an elite goaltender.....or 2. We are overdue for a top tier goalie.

I don't have much confidence in the 3 we have, and Grannan (2020?) isn't putting up good numbers.

Wisko McBadgerton
03-01-2019, 09:05 AM
We're going to have to score a schitt load of goals. I'm still waiting to land an elite goaltender.....or 2. We are overdue for a top tier goalie.

I don't have much confidence in the 3 we have, and Grannan (2020?) isn't putting up good numbers.

US U17 Goalies historically have terrible numbers. The U17's are way over matched most of the time and it's a shooting gallery in the nets. A lot of really good goalies have given up 4-5 goals a game for the 17's over the years, so I wouldn't put too much stock in Grannan's numbers. He's still a top talent.

The 17's to the 18's are a good example of how much it means to have a team play well in front of you. As the team develops to competitiveness from one year to the next, the goalies, who looked like dogs as 17's, suddenly produce much better numbers for the 18's.
Another way to look at it is this: Let's say a very good goalie can stop the puck 60% of the time when he's hung out to dry. So if he's hung out 3 times in a game, he usually is going to get 2 of them for you and give up only one. Awesome job! But hang the same guy out 10 times and now he gives up 4 and is a bum. The team still has to play well in front of you.

I like the Finnish Hammer and think he's improved over the season quite a bit. One thing that stands out and shows he's been working to improve his game is how he catches. Beginning of the year he would stab that glove forward and sweep the puck down to his body. You can get away with that at lower levels when the puck isn't typically coming that fast. But when they start coming in regularly at 100mph, you need to keep that glove up in position longer and not be stabbing at it. It's a little thing, but he's changed that habit and that signals to me he's working hard on details of his game. Plus, I love his compete level. He wants to win. I still feel like he can be a winner here.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
03-01-2019, 09:55 AM
I honesty think Lebedeff is considerably better than his numbers.

Iíve said before and Iíll say again that he just gets left out to dry on the regular by the players in front of him.

Wisko McBadgerton
03-01-2019, 10:58 AM
I honesty think Lebedeff is considerably better than his numbers.

Iíve said before and Iíll say again that he just gets left out to dry on the regular by the players in front of him.

In his last 8 games Matt Jurusik is .944sv% / 1.37ga with 2 shutouts and a 1 goal OT gem vs. #4 MN St.

He's .915/2.21ga on the season compared to his .882/3.7ga in 17 appearances for the Badgers in '16-'17 when nearly everybody was saying he's just an awful goalie. Sure, he is probably better now, but he wasn't awful then.

Timothy A
03-01-2019, 11:00 AM
I honesty think Lebedeff is considerably better than his numbers.

Iíve said before and Iíll say again that he just gets left out to dry on the regular by the players in front of him.

Yeah, the Hammer will be fine, then Grannan after him. We can't have the PK hanging him out to dry like they are. I'd like to do the math if the PK was a top 20 unit how that would affect his numbers.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
03-01-2019, 11:11 AM
Major factors, IMO:
Defensemen not covering the slot or the back door effectively.
Poor backchecking.

Minor/Debatable Factors:
Lack of possession in the offensive zone to ward off pressure.
Terrible face off performance (see possession)

Do you guys feel like weíre terrible with defending transitions? I know Eaves was always reliable for forechecking, so itís hard to say if weíre bad at it or if itís just not a strength. I feel like I notice it, but probably mostly because those moments stand out anyway.

Wisko McBadgerton
03-01-2019, 01:06 PM
The schoolboy legend of Ryder Donovan grows a little:


"On Monday, Ryder Donovan left practice after getting sick in the locker room. Heís had the flu all week, and only went to school for about an hour today. He said once the game started, he gutted it out and eventually forgot about it, and scored the game winner. What an effort."

MadCityRich
03-01-2019, 05:48 PM
The schoolboy legend of Ryder Donovan grows a little:

Hope he didn't get the entire team sick; I'm sure you know viruses run rampant in team locker rooms! It's like having a kid at school. Puke one, puke all!

Wisko McBadgerton
03-01-2019, 09:57 PM
Cole Caufield just buried his 4th goal of the night vs. the Caps.

I thought it might have been out of reach but with 6 in the last two games he still has a chance to break the NTDP goal scoring record.

MadCityRich
03-02-2019, 05:33 PM
This Tyler Herzberg kid is ****ing good. What's his story? I can't find if he verbally committed anywhere.

BlindBucky
03-03-2019, 10:33 AM
In his last 8 games Matt Jurusik is .944sv% / 1.37ga with 2 shutouts and a 1 goal OT gem vs. #4 MN St.

He's .915/2.21ga on the season compared to his .882/3.7ga in 17 appearances for the Badgers in '16-'17 when nearly everybody was saying he's just an awful goalie. Sure, he is probably better now, but he wasn't awful then.

Another first time poster here. Been going to games since the 80s (as a small child), but my sweet spot early memory team was the 1992 runner-up team. I think I am one of the few with Friday and Saturday tickets now.

The Jurusik stats show what the problem with goaltending at the UW has been for about 10 years. Think back to the "old days" the system was spacing out goalies by 2 years. As a freshman, they saw about as much playing time as Bloomquist has this year- and they looked awful. Of course part of this was Howie breaking them out of their old system and into his system. As sophomores, they might see a few more games worth of playing time, but usually only 5-10 games. Elliott played in 6 games as a freshman and 9 games as a sophomore. I remember wondering almost every time a goalie graduated how good the next man up would be, but within a few games my mind would be at ease. Then Eaves broke the system because (1) he couldn't get along with Howie, (2) he didn't trust Scott Gundmanson and brought in Bennett as a junior transfer, and (3) Luke Opilka screwed it up even worse. You can see how this plays out with Jurusik too. If he had come in under the old system, he would have been the apprentice for 2 years and come in playing solid his Jr/Sr year.

The progress Lebedeff has shown is reassuring- he competes, his mental lapses have decreased (think the 3 goals in 2 minutes). I think when you put Lebedeff on a team that is actually playing for something his intensity will

Lebedeff may or may not end up the second coming of Brian Elliott, but I don't think that will matter. Score some goals to take off the pressure and so the defense doesn't constantly have to jump in on offense. Play better defense (I'm looking at the forwards allowing people to constantly fly in on the back door) and Lebedeff isn't hung out to dry. Suddenly we have the top goalie in the B1G.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
03-03-2019, 12:49 PM
I know this is just limping the Euros together, but I was thinking of comparing Lebedeff to Bernd BrŁckler.

Timothy A
03-03-2019, 02:18 PM
Another first time poster here. Been going to games since the 80s (as a small child), but my sweet spot early memory team was the 1992 runner-up team. I think I am one of the few with Friday and Saturday tickets now.

The Jurusik stats show what the problem with goaltending at the UW has been for about 10 years. Think back to the "old days" the system was spacing out goalies by 2 years. As a freshman, they saw about as much playing time as Bloomquist has this year- and they looked awful. Of course part of this was Howie breaking them out of their old system and into his system. As sophomores, they might see a few more games worth of playing time, but usually only 5-10 games. Elliott played in 6 games as a freshman and 9 games as a sophomore. I remember wondering almost every time a goalie graduated how good the next man up would be, but within a few games my mind would be at ease. Then Eaves broke the system because (1) he couldn't get along with Howie, (2) he didn't trust Scott Gundmanson and brought in Bennett as a junior transfer, and (3) Luke Opilka screwed it up even worse. You can see how this plays out with Jurusik too. If he had come in under the old system, he would have been the apprentice for 2 years and come in playing solid his Jr/Sr year.

The progress Lebedeff has shown is reassuring- he competes, his mental lapses have decreased (think the 3 goals in 2 minutes). I think when you put Lebedeff on a team that is actually playing for something his intensity will

Lebedeff may or may not end up the second coming of Brian Elliott, but I don't think that will matter. Score some goals to take off the pressure and so the defense doesn't constantly have to jump in on offense. Play better defense (I'm looking at the forwards allowing people to constantly fly in on the back door) and Lebedeff isn't hung out to dry. Suddenly we have the top goalie in the B1G.

Love the perspective on the goaltending, that's my favorite position. What are your thoughts on UW not having a goalie coach right now?

BlindBucky
03-03-2019, 03:36 PM
Love the perspective on the goaltending, that's my favorite position. What are your thoughts on UW not having a goalie coach right now?

I think it is utter BS that Men's Basketball gets 4 coaches for 18 roster players (including the redshirts and end of the bench players). Football gets 11 coaches, which seems like a slightly more realistic ratio. Hockey gets 3 for about 25-30 players.

I don't know that a full-time coach is strictly necessary, but it seems like they should at least be able to pay a 1/4 position to have a consulting goaltending coach. I think it is also likely that coaches would end up servicing multiple teams- kind of like some of the top quarterback gurus- because there are only so many to go around. I get that the NCAA is all about maintaining parity and we don't want to skew things too much so that the low budget programs are priced out of the market. Given that goalie is arguably the most important position in all of team sports, it seem absolutely ridiculous that D1 schools can't even pay a consultant to work with their goaltenders.

Side note- it also makes it all the more ridiculous that MM couldn't get along with Howie.