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WiscTJK
08-15-2018, 09:56 AM
... To me, if Sampo ends up elsewhere solely because of TOEFL score, it's a massive failure on the part of the UW staff and also to some extent, Sampo's advisor. ...

Sampo has all the tools to be a college superstar, and while this would be very bad this year, it's terrible for next year when UW could be really loaded for a serious run.

Absolutely agree with you on this. I'm with Wisko again.... Who would have thought that was possible?

Timothy A
08-15-2018, 03:49 PM
BU's TOEFL requirement score is 90-100, UW's is 95-105. We should keep in mind that the Minnesota score requirement is 79 and NoDak is 70.


That's purely comical. Shouldn't all the B6 uni's have the same TOEFL? Isn't it all about the academic excellence of the conference? What a joke.

When ARD got to UW, she barely spoke English, I can't imagine she scored a 95......

Wisko McBadgerton
08-15-2018, 06:33 PM
That's purely comical. Shouldn't all the B6 uni's have the same TOEFL? Isn't it all about the academic excellence of the conference? What a joke.

When ARD got to UW, she barely spoke English, I can't imagine she scored a 95......

It's generally much harder to get into Northwestern than UW, and much harder to get into UW than Iowa, for example. Admission requirements vary a great deal throughout the conference. That's not new.

With ARD, speaking is only one quarter of the test. Listening, reading, and writing are 75%. A person could be below average on speaking but excellent on the rest and be fine. The other thing is, wasn't she 19 or 20 her first year? As I said before, a person simply has to receive a passing grade from an accredited school in English Comp and the TOEFL goes away. ARD had plenty of time to do so, although I don't know if she did.

It's frustrating as heck but unless UW just raised the requirement last week, (they didn't) the requirement isn't really the problem. They've all known for 2 years that Sampo would have to meet UW admissions. Why, especially once he signed his NLI, wasn't someone holding his hand on this stuff? Classes are 3 freakin' weeks away!

LordofBrewtown
08-15-2018, 07:53 PM
Sampo speaks English quite well, by the way.. (https://youtu.be/ylK5k4HHhYQ) He's also completed his last two years of HS in the US and has done well enough in class and on testing to meet UW's relatively high admissions requirements otherwise. To me, if Sampo ends up elsewhere solely because of TOEFL score, it's a massive failure on the part of the UW staff and also to some extent, Sampo's advisor. Like most all schools, UW also accepts a passing grade from an accredited College or University in a freshman level English Comp course. Getting that would have been simple with proper planning.


This really makes the coaching staff look bad. I'd even go as far to say that it makes the whole athletic department look bad. I would have to think that somebody should be tracking qualification/entry status for recruits in every sport

defkit
08-15-2018, 08:23 PM
Thanks for all the insight into TOEFL testing. I knew next to nothing about it, including the scores required. That is a pretty big drop from UW/BU to Minn/UND.

The comment about classes being 3 weeks away reminded me that BU (and I'm pretty sure several other schools) typically get the freshmen on campus for one of the two summer terms to get started on their credits, to get to know their way around, and hopefully start bonding as a group. I don't know how recent a development that is, and I'm sure there can be situations where a freshman can't do it. But I feel like Letunov's issue came up at this time of year, so he must not have been at any summer classes.

Does UW not bring their freshmen in for summer classes?

solovsfett
08-15-2018, 08:33 PM
This really makes the coaching staff look bad. I'd even go as far to say that it makes the whole athletic department look bad. I would have to think that somebody should be tracking qualification/entry status for recruits in every sport

Agreed 100%

MadCityRich
08-15-2018, 09:46 PM
So, bottom line, I'd really like to know what the heck is going on. It's probably none of our business, but this is really ****ing me off.

Wisko, thanks for bringing back that video. I remember watching it on the draft special thinking how bright he is.

Wisko McBadgerton
08-15-2018, 09:54 PM
Thanks for all the insight into TOEFL testing. I knew next to nothing about it, including the scores required. That is a pretty big drop from UW/BU to Minn/UND.

The comment about classes being 3 weeks away reminded me that BU (and I'm pretty sure several other schools) typically get the freshmen on campus for one of the two summer terms to get started on their credits, to get to know their way around, and hopefully start bonding as a group. I don't know how recent a development that is, and I'm sure there can be situations where a freshman can't do it. But I feel like Letunov's issue came up at this time of year, so he must not have been at any summer classes.

Does UW not bring their freshmen in for summer classes?

Yes, typically Badger frosh are in class, plus skating and working out with alumni all summer. Sampo played in the WJ Summer Showcase for Finland the last couple of weeks (had 2 goals vs. Canada!) so that obviously conflicted with classes.

Timothy A
08-16-2018, 08:03 AM
This really makes the coaching staff look bad. I'd even go as far to say that it makes the whole athletic department look bad. I would have to think that somebody should be tracking qualification/entry status for recruits in every sport

We don't when he took the test and when they got the results back. The timing of that would either indite or exonerate his handlers @ UW.

gwhinwi
08-16-2018, 08:15 AM
We don't when he took the test and when they got the results back. The timing of that would either indite or exonerate his handlers @ UW.

To me, it seems odd that you would take the test late. You can take the ACT/SAT multiple times to get better scores, so this just seems so strange.

Wisko McBadgerton
08-16-2018, 08:41 AM
TOEFL testing is offered nearly every week of the year, sometimes twice a week at various locations in Iowa, WI, and Finland. You can take it virtually anytime, almost anywhere in the world. Strange indeed.

WiscTJK
08-16-2018, 09:49 AM
TOEFL testing is offered nearly every week of the year, sometimes twice a week at various locations in Iowa, WI, and Finland. You can take it virtually anytime, almost anywhere in the world. Strange indeed.

not strange, an utter disaster by someone in Admissions, Athletic Dept and / or coaching staff.

Timothy A
08-16-2018, 11:54 AM
not strange, an utter disaster by someone in Admissions, Athletic Dept and / or coaching staff.


TOEFL testing is offered nearly every week of the year, sometimes twice a week at various locations in Iowa, WI, and Finland. You can take it virtually anytime, almost anywhere in the world. Strange indeed.

Looks a lot worse now that we know this. I wonder the cost, it would be fun to take it.

Wisko McBadgerton
08-16-2018, 01:17 PM
Looks a lot worse now that we know this. I wonder the cost, it would be fun to take it.

It's not cheap, I believe it's $195.00.

Any college-bound native English speaker would have zero problem scoring very high. The vocabulary isn't that difficult and native speakers have little problem with using context for words they aren't quite sure about. Also native speakers have heard most common idioms like "Catch-22" or "A double-edged sword" a million times and know what they mean, where as an ESL student might have great difficulty in discerning meaning if they are unfamiliar.

As an example in Spanish, Zapatero a tus zapatos translates literally to: Shoemaker, to your shoes -- but it more or less means you should stick to talking about what you know. (Obviously!)

herbst20
08-16-2018, 05:42 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Sampo Ranta to Minnesota, per NCAA source</p>&mdash; Mark Divver (@MarkDivver) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkDivver/status/1030207224352792576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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gwhinwi
08-16-2018, 05:59 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">sampo ranta to minnesota, per ncaa source</p>— mark divver (@markdivver) <a href="https://twitter.com/markdivver/status/1030207224352792576?ref_src=twsrc%5etfw">august 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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ffs....

Wisko McBadgerton
08-16-2018, 06:03 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Sampo Ranta to Minnesota, per NCAA source</p>— Mark Divver (@MarkDivver) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkDivver/status/1030207224352792576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I had suspicions.

Geezus. Nothing like making a terrible situation worse. What a ****ing disaster.

gwhinwi
08-16-2018, 06:12 PM
I had suspicions.

Geezus. Nothing like making a terrible situation worse. What a ****ing disaster.

Since they are a recruiting "dream team" it makes sense that they are sleeping through the important steps of getting kids on campus.

DPlaya
08-16-2018, 06:23 PM
Mark Divver just tweeted Sampo Ranta is headed to Minnesota



BU has one of the most international populations of any school in the country. I wonder if that somehow gives them the means to provide assistance to students in a certain score range.

The TOEFL is what kept Max Letunov from getting into BU, so there is a standard that has to be met, I guess it is just lower than at UW.

solovsfett
08-16-2018, 06:42 PM
this is absolutely ludicrous and self-inflicted like watching Cruikshank leave due to scolly money.