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WiscTJK
11-14-2018, 12:34 PM
So no....Stevens, De Saint Phalle, Almquist, Bohlin, Peltonen, Smith, LaMaster or Vorlicky?

very fair question Tim. "A little money" for 8 guys seems unfathomable.

From the spreadsheet

Forwards:
! - Sam Stevens
! - Matt De Saint Phalle
! - Ben Almquist
! - Josh Bohlin
! - Aleksi Peltonen

Defense:
* - Brady Smith
! - Luke LaMaster
! - Michael Vorlicky

KaMiGo
11-14-2018, 01:13 PM
So no....Stevens, De Saint Phalle, Almquist, Bohlin, Peltonen, Smith, LaMaster or Vorlicky?

To be fair, the tweet from Milewski said "at least four commits" and then listed out Holloway, Caufield, Turcotte, Linkmark. There are possibly/probably others, but it seemed like he was just mentioning ones he knew for sure that were high-profile.

When asked about other players, specifically any D, he indicated that there may be some that sign now or some that sign later.

Such is the beauty/agony of the multi-window approach for NLI signing.

Wisko McBadgerton
11-14-2018, 01:44 PM
So no....Stevens, De Saint Phalle, Almquist, Bohlin, Peltonen, Smith, LaMaster or Vorlicky?

With these 4 signing we're at 14 forwards. So yes, probably one or two more, but it seems to me that all those F's could ideally use another year of juniors and then come in grown up and ready like Baker or even Mersch. At the least you probably want to see how this year goes and who develops. De Saint Phalle was just traded to the Chicago Steel last week, and I feel like the Steel maybe paid up for him. I don't know if that signals anything or not as De Saint Phalle is probably a good fit in Chicago even if it's for just this year. But it's possible they paid up because they think he'll be back next year.

I think Aleksi Peltonen will be done with Junior eligibility after this year, if that's correct, then he has to come in next year if at all, but he's going to be more of a preferred walk on kind of deal if he does. That would make 15 F's with him. Keeping some of these guys developing in the pipeline is also still significant because Turcotte, Caufield, and Holloway could all be one and done and you don't want to be caught short.

On D, who do you sign now? Brady Smith is still 18 and doesn't appear ready. LaMaster has yet to play a USHL game this year as he's been injured, so who really knows how that is going to go? Vorlicky did fine in the Midwest elite league, but he's going to play at Edina this year. There's no reason he has to rush in straight out of HS next fall. He could, the staff certainly likes him enough.

There's going to be some decommits, some opportunities to add guys, some shake ups around the country soon. If you can sign a York you absolutely do it, but beyond that I think D could benefit from waiting it out a bit if they possibly can.

Wisko McBadgerton
11-14-2018, 01:45 PM
Such is the beauty/agony of the multi-window approach for NLI signing.

I don't think it's multi-window anymore. I believe the signing period is now open straight through until next August.

KaMiGo
11-14-2018, 05:21 PM
I don't think it's multi-window anymore. I believe the signing period is now open straight through until next August.

College Hockey Inc says this in the NLI Q&A (http://collegehockeyinc.com/articles/2011/11/all-about-nli.php)

Q: When can I sign an NLI?
A: You may only sign an NLI during a designated signing period. For hockey players entering school in the fall of 2018, the signing periods are Nov. 8-15, 2017, and April 11-August 1, 2018.

It was obviously from last year. Unless they changed it for this year, it looks like the early signing period in November and then the regular signing period in the spring/summer.

And as I dig deeper it looks like they may have changed it starting this year.

The NLI website (http://www.nationalletter.org/signingDates/) only lists early windows for Basketball and Football. I guess Ice Hockey would fall into the "All Other Sports" category with a period of Nov - Aug.

Looks like you learn something new every day...

Timothy A
11-15-2018, 06:40 AM
The NLI website (http://www.nationalletter.org/signingDates/) only lists early windows for Basketball and Football. I guess Ice Hockey would fall into the "All Other Sports" category with a period of Nov - Aug.

Looks like you learn something new every day...

I don't like that, it means recruiting literally never ends until school starts if you don't sign the LOI. If the player doesn't sign right away, maybe the player is shopping too for a better deal, so it might go both ways. Obviously UW was sure to nail down the 4 big dogs, which is awesome, but I don't like the uncertainty of the balance of the players who don't sign now.

WiscTJK
11-15-2018, 07:31 AM
I see the three NTDP players signed. Did Holloway?

gwhinwi
11-15-2018, 08:35 AM
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/hockey/likely-first-round-nhl-draft-picks-included-in-wisconsin-badgers/article_886b068c-31ae-56e6-aa4e-0d0289ed35a6.html

Spreadsheet updated with Brady Smith de-commit.

DPlaya
11-15-2018, 09:32 AM
I see the three NTDP players signed. Did Holloway?

Those three plus Holloway and Vorlicky plan to sign this week.

Wisko McBadgerton
11-15-2018, 10:01 AM
Those three plus Holloway and Vorlicky plan to sign this week.

When there was only four offers I was still hopeful because I knew they had at least one scholarship that wasn't on the table yet, but learning they offered Vorlicky shoots down my Cam York hopes pretty low. Oh well, a guy's gotta dream.

Vorlicky faded a bit off some prospect lists late last year but Oz is obviously very high on him and his ability to step right into NCAA. He was right about Ess, so I'm going to guess he also knows what he's doing here. :cool:

Still in pretty good shape on D with La Master and Patrick Keegan waiting in the wings if there's any departures.

Wisko McBadgerton
11-15-2018, 10:04 AM
I see the three NTDP players signed. Did Holloway?

I felt pretty good about the news being correct when a Calgary Sports Management company "liked" my tweet about Holloway being a huge addition 2 minutes after I made it. I assume that's Holloway's advisor.

WiscTJK
11-15-2018, 10:16 AM
When there was only four offers I was still hopeful because I knew they had at least one scholarship that wasn't on the table yet, but learning they offered Vorlicky shoots down my Cam York hopes pretty low. Oh well, a guy's gotta dream.

Vorlicky faded a bit off some prospect lists late last year but Oz is obviously very high on him and his ability to step right into NCAA. He was right about Ess, so I'm going to guess he also knows what he's doing here. :cool:

Still in pretty good shape on D with La Master and Patrick Keegan waiting in the wings if there's any departures.

With Brady Smith gone and Vorlicky signed, we would be at 7 D. Seems like they would need at least one possibly two more if any non senior D leave after this year.

WiscTJK
11-15-2018, 10:18 AM
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/hockey/likely-first-round-nhl-draft-picks-included-in-wisconsin-badgers/article_886b068c-31ae-56e6-aa4e-0d0289ed35a6.html

Spreadsheet updated with Brady Smith de-commit.

Can you modify with Holloway and Lindmark for 19-20? Glut of forwards and shortage on D is what it looks like to me....

Thanks for keeping the spreadsheet updated.

gwhinwi
11-15-2018, 10:33 AM
Can you modify with Holloway and Lindmark for 19-20? Glut of forwards and shortage on D is what it looks like to me....

Thanks for keeping the spreadsheet updated.

No worries. I think I have it cleaned up again. I had a few mistakes in there that had to be cleaned up, but I think we're good for now. Guessing more changes will come up again though.

Timothy A
11-15-2018, 10:46 AM
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/hockey/likely-first-round-nhl-draft-picks-included-in-wisconsin-badgers/article_886b068c-31ae-56e6-aa4e-0d0289ed35a6.html

Spreadsheet updated with Brady Smith de-commit.

No word on LaMaster, he was a recent addition, wasn't he? He'd be the 8th D.

Wisko McBadgerton
11-15-2018, 11:24 AM
With Brady Smith gone and Vorlicky signed, we would be at 7 D. Seems like they would need at least one possibly two more if any non senior D leave after this year.

Probably, but the way it is right now is that we likely have 6 D on large scholarships, and 2, Bunz and Peltonen, on minimum deals. Vorlicky's offer would seem to make 6 on scholarship for next year. With no departures, they're replacing Jake with someone similar. Patrick Keegan doesn't really fit that bill as he's likely to be drafted, was recruited by MI and several coastie schools, etc. so he fits the replacing a departure spot. LaMaster may be the Jake, but that's a bit unclear as we haven't seen him play at the next level yet. He's been on IR since Sept.1 and I'm not sure where he's at.

Unfortunately we can't put 25 guys on full rides, so there's quite a bit of juggling that needs to take place.

digitalbooya
11-15-2018, 01:18 PM
Can someone give me the scoop on Holloway?

Wisko McBadgerton
11-15-2018, 02:23 PM
Can someone give me the scoop on Holloway?


He's a 2020 Draft eligible player by virtue of the fact that his birthday is late Sept, and the Draft age cutoff is those 18 before Sept 15th. He's 17 now. How high he would go in this year's draft is an interesting question, but certainly many early projections have him as a 1st rounder in the next draft, and it seems his stock is rising. In his draft year he's currently the best NCAA eligible Forward in all of Canada. He's playing Center in the AJHL for the Oktoks Oilers and is leading the AJHL in scoring with 16-22-38 in 23 games played. Keep in mind that AJHL leading scorers are almost always 20 year olds. He's big, strong, (6'+ 192lbs.) fast, can score at will or make a play. Excellent vision, smarts, and physicality. Sky is the limit. I believe Todd mentioned he was the only member of Team Canada not in the CHL at the Hlinka Cup. Which Canada won pretty easily. USA was 4th.

I gather Ranta going to the goofs opened up a spot to accelerate him for next year, rather than wait. He's growing up fast and physically ready but it will likely be a bigger adjustment for him vs. the NTDP guys who will have already played a lot of NCAA games this year. May take him a bit to get going next year, but he's a really, really good player. Everett Silvertips own his WHL rights and they pushed hard to sign him for this season, but he held out. I wonder if he hadn't been able to slot into next year's class if he wouldn't have gone to the CHL next year, so signing him now is a big deal.

digitalbooya
11-15-2018, 02:59 PM
He's a 2020 Draft eligible player by virtue of the fact that his birthday is late Sept, and the Draft age cutoff is those 18 before Sept 15th. He's 17 now. How high he would go in this year's draft is an interesting question, but certainly many early projections have him as a 1st rounder in the next draft, and it seems his stock is rising. In his draft year he's currently the best NCAA eligible Forward in all of Canada. He's playing Center in the AJHL for the Oktoks Oilers and is leading the AJHL in scoring with 16-22-38 in 23 games played. Keep in mind that AJHL leading scorers are almost always 20 year olds. He's big, strong, (6'+ 192lbs.) fast, can score at will or make a play. Excellent vision, smarts, and physicality. Sky is the limit. I believe Todd mentioned he was the only member of Team Canada not in the CHL at the Hlinka Cup. Which Canada won pretty easily. USA was 4th.

I gather Ranta going to the goofs opened up a spot to accelerate him for next year, rather than wait. He's growing up fast and physically ready but it will likely be a bigger adjustment for him vs. the NTDP guys who will have already played a lot of NCAA games this year. May take him a bit to get going next year, but he's a really, really good player. Everett Silvertips own his WHL rights and they pushed hard to sign him for this season, but he held out. I wonder if he hadn't been able to slot into next year's class if he wouldn't have gone to the CHL next year, so signing him now is a big deal.
Appreciate the info! Do you think we see a line of Holloway-Turcotte-Caufield next year? Seems like it has really high scoring potential.

Could the Ranta rejection turn into a positive? Looking forward to find out!

DPlaya
11-15-2018, 04:00 PM
Probably, but the way it is right now is that we likely have 6 D on large scholarships, and 2, Bunz and Peltonen, on minimum deals. Vorlicky's offer would seem to make 6 on scholarship for next year. With no departures, they're replacing Jake with someone similar. Patrick Keegan doesn't really fit that bill as he's likely to be drafted, was recruited by MI and several coastie schools, etc. so he fits the replacing a departure spot. LaMaster may be the Jake, but that's a bit unclear as we haven't seen him play at the next level yet. He's been on IR since Sept.1 and I'm not sure where he's at.

Unfortunately we can't put 25 guys on full rides, so there's quite a bit of juggling that needs to take place.

Hockey scholarship money doesn't necessarily work like that. Guys may get 30%, 50% or 70%. It's not like there is only full scholarships or books scholarships.