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D2D
04-10-2018, 02:53 PM
Comments?

https://sportsrecruits.com/blog/2018/01/25/ncaa-committee-supports-changes-to-limit-recruiting-to-juniors-and-seniors/

joecct
04-10-2018, 03:21 PM
Darn! My newborn granddaughter can't commit until she's 16. That stinks!!

With the death of the gentlemen's agreement, commitments don't mean a heck of a lot anyway.

ZedLeppelin
04-10-2018, 04:04 PM
I don't think unofficial visits should have to wait until their junior year, if official visits won't be allowed until then, either. Or are unofficial visits really just "wink wink" unofficial, and the NCAA is trying to curb that?

GTOWN
04-11-2018, 10:39 AM
I don't think unofficial visits should have to wait until their junior year, if official visits won't be allowed until then, either. Or are unofficial visits really just "wink wink" unofficial, and the NCAA is trying to curb that?

Canít see this happening. If anything Iím hearing D3 schools are feeling the pressure to commit earlier as well.

Sieve1
04-11-2018, 11:11 AM
Canít see this happening. If anything Iím hearing D3 schools are feeling the pressure to commit earlier as well.

No one expected US Lacrosse to pass recruiting restrictions last year either. But they did

Timothy A
04-11-2018, 01:02 PM
What problem(s) is/are these rule changes supposed to be fixing? If a kid wants to commit in 8th grade and the coach wants to take the risk of a talent plateau, go for it. In fact, I say let them sign a letter of intent at that point. That would greatly reduce amount of wasted time in recruiting chasing after all the verbals until they actually sign.

pokechecker
04-11-2018, 01:44 PM
What problem(s) is/are these rule changes supposed to be fixing?

If you are naÔve enough to believe they are going to be STUDENT-athletes (funny they donít call them Athlete-students ;) ) then making them wait would seem to be a good thing, they will have somewhat of an idea what they want to do with their life, especially in the case of the girls who unless they become coaches, are on the US Olympic Team, or go to Europe they have no shot of earning enough money to support themselves, at least right now. Even for the boys itís a long shot, although the money involved at least maybe makes it worth the gamble.

When I read the article it said it was for D1 only, obviously it needs more work or it creates at least as many problems as it solves.

Timothy A
04-11-2018, 03:07 PM
If you are naÔve enough to believe they are going to be STUDENT-athletes (funny they donít call them Athlete-students ;) ) then making them wait would seem to be a good thing, they will have somewhat of an idea what they want to do with their life, especially in the case of the girls who unless they become coaches, are on the US Olympic Team, or go to Europe they have no shot of earning enough money to support themselves, at least right now. Even for the boys itís a long shot, although the money involved at least maybe makes it worth the gamble.

When I read the article it said it was for D1 only, obviously it needs more work or it creates at least as many problems as it solves.

You can pick a college without declaring your major. A large school like UW has just about any major a young lady would like. I do know some kids who were freshmen in HS who knew where they wanted to go to school and what their major was going to be. They worked hard enough at their studies to ensure their grades were good enough to get in where they wanted to go. It's not the norm, but it does happen.

I still want to know what problem this solves.

Sieve1
04-11-2018, 05:08 PM
You can pick a college without declaring your major. A large school like UW has just about any major a young lady would like. I do know some kids who were freshmen in HS who knew where they wanted to go to school and what their major was going to be. They worked hard enough at their studies to ensure their grades were good enough to get in where they wanted to go. It's not the norm, but it does happen.

I still want to know what problem this solves.

If it solves the problem of eliminating early recruiting tournaments & money grab companies like Selects & Rush then itís a good thing!!

shelfit
04-11-2018, 06:50 PM
If it solves the problem of eliminating early recruiting tournaments & money grab companies like Selects & Rush then itís a good thing!!

Totally agree! Selects and Rush feed on the dreams of players (and their families) that hope to play in college someday. Would absolutely love to see those types of companies be put out of business for good!

GoldyDad2B
04-12-2018, 08:20 AM
On the other end of the recruiting conversation, UMD just signed a goalie who will turn 21 her freshman year from Sweden. Is this a new idea or old idea giving U.S. Division 1 NCAA scholarships to Europeans who play in what they describe as a professional league (a league where some college graduates from the US play)? This presumably is like junior men in US where they are able to retain NCAA eligibility? Does this happen in Division 3 too?

pokechecker
04-12-2018, 08:41 AM
On the other end of the recruiting conversation, UMD just signed a goalie who will turn 21 her freshman year from Sweden. Is this a new idea or old idea giving U.S. Division 1 NCAA scholarships to Europeans who play in what they describe as a professional league (a league where some college graduates from the US play)? This presumably is like junior men in US where they are able to retain NCAA eligibility? Does this happen in Division 3 too?

apparently they are taking a page out of the previous coaches book of tricks
they are not the only ones, Clarkson seems to be doing it
if you want to win, some coaches will do anything, can't really blame the coaches, their continued 6 figure salary depends upon it
the NCAA & university administration is to blame, they pizz all over the concept of Student-Athlete with a straight face, it's all about the money
can't blame the players, if somebody dangles free room and board, a chance to delay being an adult for another 4 years, and a chance for a free degree from a US university, why not?

keep in mind the Olympics used to be amateur athletes only
maybe we should expect that some day down at the squirt level we'll see recruiting like in college
parents given a rental car to use if their kid plays for the team
not sure supplying hookers at that age will have an effect though unless the hooker likes to play video games

Timothy A
04-12-2018, 12:20 PM
apparently they are taking a page out of the previous coaches book of tricks
they are not the only ones, clarkson seems to be doing it

boom!

Timothy A
04-12-2018, 12:22 PM
maybe we should expect that some day down at the squirt level we'll see recruiting like in college
parents given a rental car to use if their kid plays for the team not sure supplying hookers at that age will have an effect though unless the hooker likes to play video games

lol

D2D
04-18-2018, 05:04 PM
Recruiting changes have been approved and go into effect "starting with the next school year":

Division I Council adopts recruiting legislation
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/division-i-council-adopts-recruiting-legislation

MAHOCKEY FAN
05-03-2018, 12:43 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2773901-future-florida-gators-softball-prodigy-is-the-youngest-ncaa-commit-of-all-time?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial


i had read previously that softball was one of the driver for these changes...either the commitment happened before the rule change or we have our first violation!

CORRECTED: IF YOU WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO, SHE COMMITTED BEFORE THE RULE CHANGE

used2lurk
05-03-2018, 03:40 PM
According to an email my kid received this is not next year it is now...who knows definitively when these rules start? Below is the text from the email. I bolded the time frame in sentence number 1.

In Division I, new and very important legislation has been approved which takes place immediately.


1. Student-athletes may no longer meet with coaches or representatives of the college's athletics department on the school's campus prior to September 1 of the student's 11th grade year.

2. This means that there can be no "unofficial visits" that includes a meeting or even a greeting with the coaches. Also, no athletics department representative can arrange or organize a visit prior to September 1 of the student's 11th grade year.

3. Students may now begin taking their 5 "official" or paid visits to campuses beginning on September 1 of their 11th grade year. Previously, this began the first day of classes in the student's 12th grade year.

This is the first stage of rules changes that will have a dramatic impact on early recruiting. It also means that attending our Showcases or camps takes on an even greater significance. Do not hesitate! Sign up today!

If you want more information about these changes or have questions about how it might impact you or your daughter, please write to us.

gotanytape
10-07-2018, 09:27 AM
According to an email my kid received this is not next year it is now...who knows definitively when these rules start? Below is the text from the email. I bolded the time frame in sentence number 1.

In Division I, new and very important legislation has been approved which takes place immediately.

1. Student-athletes may no longer meet with coaches or representatives of the college's athletics department on the school's campus prior to September 1 of the student's 11th grade year.

2. This means that there can be no "unofficial visits" that includes a meeting or even a greeting with the coaches. Also, no athletics department representative can arrange or organize a visit prior to September 1 of the student's 11th grade year.

3. Students may now begin taking their 5 "official" or paid visits to campuses beginning on September 1 of their 11th grade year. Previously, this began the first day of classes in the student's 12th grade year.

This is the first stage of rules changes that will have a dramatic impact on early recruiting. It also means that attending our Showcases or camps takes on an even greater significance. Do not hesitate! Sign up today!

If you want more information about these changes or have questions about how it might impact you or your daughter, please write to us.

So how come there are 2023 commitments happening right now? Are the parents visiting the schools with their kids, meeting with the coaches alone, and then committing for their kids?

Sieve1
10-07-2018, 09:42 AM
So how come there are 2023 commitments happening right now? Are the parents visiting the schools with their kids, meeting with the coaches alone, and then committing for their kids?
No all communication goes through club coaches. Kids can visit campuses on their own and even attend hockey camps on campus run by college coaches, but coaches canít have recruiting conversations with players while on campus. Phone calls can be arranged afterwards, though. Itís all done over the phone. New restrictions are supposedly coming that would mirror lacrosse recruiting rules. This would mean no communication between college coaches and players at all (phone, text, email, etc) until 9/1 of the playerís junior year. But again, club coaches would be able to talk to college coaches and get an idea of who is interested. Having a well connected club coach continues to be very important.