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    While it is OK for tournament winners to go to NCAA’s, the next in line should be the conference seasonal top finisher, not skipped over for conference teams further down. This happened to BC twice now. And BC is A proven tough NCAA tournament competitor. Bemidji got robbed last year. This year Providence and Northeastern had weak Nonconference opponents. Also what’s up with selecting Penn State? They had a losing conference record. A Big Ten team last won the NCAA Championship in 2007. The apparent reason for their conference was to get more teams in the NCAAs.

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    Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

    BC finished 3rd in HE last season. They wouldn’t have been “next in line”.

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      Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

      I'm going to say OOC games don't matter enough. Namely in the quality of opposition. You can't help who you play in conference, but you CAN help who you play in OOC. Like, if you're struggling against a good OOC, that's understandable, especially with a young team like BC's. If you're playing only cupcakes, then you're not building a quality resume.
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        Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

        Do better in conference and OOC, and you don't need to worry about anything!

        Simple. Math.

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          Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

          Thought the reason for the big 10 conf was so mich st never again makes the tourney
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            Originally posted by hockeyplayer1015 View Post
            Simple. Math.
            So true, so true
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              Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

              Originally posted by freedomfighter View Post
              While it is OK for tournament winners to go to NCAA’s, the next in line should be the conference seasonal top finisher, not skipped over for conference teams further down. This happened to BC twice now. And BC is A proven tough NCAA tournament competitor. Bemidji got robbed last year. This year Providence and Northeastern had weak Nonconference opponents. Also what’s up with selecting Penn State? They had a losing conference record. A Big Ten team last won the NCAA Championship in 2007. The apparent reason for their conference was to get more teams in the NCAAs.
              So you would be OK with both Mercyhurst and Air Force making the NCAA from Atlantic Hockey?

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                Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

                Scheduling a cream puff non conference is the way to go

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Middle Street View Post
                  BC finished 3rd in HE last season. They wouldn’t have been “next in line”.
                  Semantics much? Believe it was a three way tie for first which means you share the RS title.

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                    Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

                    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
                    Semantics much? Believe it was a three way tie for first which means you share the RS title.
                    Thin skinned much? His argument is misleading and I was pointing out that BC finished 3rd on tiebreakers. What happens if there's a 3 way tie in the AHA or WCHA, should all three make it? You need to draw a line somewhere.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by J.D. View Post
                      Scheduling a cream puff non conference is the way to go
                      You keep saying this but I really don't think it's true. Look at Northeastern, they were 23-9-5 and a 3 seed. 7 teams in the country had less than 10 losses this year, and their rankings were 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 6, and Northeastern. If you flip almost any of their regular season wins to a loss, including a loss in the Beanpot, they finish 22-10-5 and miss the field in favor of Minnesota. A 10 loss Northeastern team would have been the only 22 win team to miss the field, the only 10 loss team to miss the field, the only sub-12 loss team to miss the field, and the only sub-13 loss non-AHC/WCHA team to miss the field. They may have barely ended up on the right side of the cliff, but the cliff was there, and to say playing the weak schedule didn't hurt them is clearly untrue. If they lose a single game of the six against Atlantic hockey they miss the field, and that seems just as much of a risk as playing a harder schedule and winning zero times, like another Hockey East team we won't mention.
                      Last edited by TheRevengeance; 04-08-2018, 11:41 AM.

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                        Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

                        A strong OOC is a major key to getting in the tourney. Let's break it down for everyone: 2 + 2 = 4. This is called simple math. This is what gets you into the tourney.
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                          Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

                          For an autobid, it does make more sense to reward a regular season champion. Much larger sample than a conference tournament. Leagues can set their tiebreakers to determine who gets autobid in the event of a tie.

                          But i realize there are unbalanced league schedules and also the drama/chance to bring in some money for the league with a tournament. But in theory it makes more sense to reward a RS champion.

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                            Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

                            For the weaker conferences, hard to get quality OOC, and the conferences are weak enough, the teams would NEVER make the tourney if the autobid didn't exist.

                            As for conferences like HE, B1G, and Nacho, conference tourneys are just money grabs.
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                              Re: NonConference games matter more than conference ones..RPI needs changes

                              Originally posted by J.D. View Post
                              For an autobid, it does make more sense to reward a regular season champion. Much larger sample than a conference tournament. Leagues can set their tiebreakers to determine who gets autobid in the event of a tie.

                              But i realize there are unbalanced league schedules and also the drama/chance to bring in some money for the league with a tournament. But in theory it makes more sense to reward a RS champion.
                              Depends on what you mean by "makes sense". It makes sense to reward your regular season champion if your point of view is fairness.

                              It makes sense to reward your tournament champion because (for the power conferences, in an ordinary year) your regular season champion will probably make it anyway. Giving the autobid to the tournament champion improves your chances to get more teams in the tournament if the tournament winner wouldn't have made it on their regular season record. Also, giving the autobid to the tournament champion is more likely to get the "hot" team in the tournament, and often the "hot" team wins, not necessarily the team that had the best record over the course of the season.

                              And, as you say or imply, giving the autobid to the regular season champion could render your tournament meaningless, and could mean that about half the teams in your conference have nothing to play for after Christmas.

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