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jcase
03-07-2018, 03:51 PM
...surpasses $1 billion milestone (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-07/ncaa-revenue-surpasses-1-billion-milestone-as-scrutiny-mounts)

Maybe this will put to rest talk of D3 sports budget cuts.

Russell Jaslow
03-07-2018, 03:58 PM
...surpasses $1 billion milestone (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-07/ncaa-revenue-surpasses-1-billion-milestone-as-scrutiny-mounts)

Maybe this will put to rest talk of D3 sports budget cuts.

And I have a bridge in Brooklyn going nice and cheap...

spwood
03-07-2018, 04:46 PM
And I have a bridge in Brooklyn going nice and cheap...

****, I have some ocean-front property in Nebraska I'm trying to part with...

Fishman'81
03-07-2018, 05:53 PM
...surpasses $1 billion milestone (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-07/ncaa-revenue-surpasses-1-billion-milestone-as-scrutiny-mounts)

Maybe this will put to rest talk of D3 sports budget cuts.

Thanks for posting this.

Now, when I hear about how the supposedly-immutable D-3 bylaws (eg., the 500-mile BS) exist because it's just too darn expensive for the NCAA to toss a few nickels at D-3 hockey, I'll be able to counter with a factual link.

GD, does anyone *in his right mind* think that D-3 won't get whatever support it needs from the NCAA, as long as it makes the process demonstrably more equitable, within broad limits..?

So, to my point: select the field fairly, seed it fairly, and site it fairly... Let the boys catch a plane if necessary: they'll be fine.

Who in God's name will complain, aside from the very few who are married to the current (ridiculous) rules?

GB Puck Fan
03-07-2018, 06:09 PM
Thanks for posting this.

Now, when I hear about how the supposedly-immutable D-3 bylaws (eg., the 500-mile BS) exist because it's just too darn expensive for the NCAA to toss a few nickels at D-3 hockey, I'll be able to counter with a factual link.

GD, does anyone *in his right mind* think that D-3 won't get whatever support it needs from the NCAA, as long as it makes the process demonstrably more equitable, within broad limits..?

So, to my point: select the field fairly, seed it fairly, and site it fairly... Let the boys catch a plane if necessary: they'll be fine.

Who in God's name will complain, aside from the very few who are married to the current (ridiculous) rules?

Itís not the D3 people limiting the D3 budget...

Fishman'81
03-07-2018, 06:16 PM
It’s not the D3 people limiting the D3 budget...

Certainly... But there a few D-3 apologists who say that there's no way to ask for a buck or two more in order to fix our sport...

That, I don't buy.

KnightsOfTheRound
03-07-2018, 07:41 PM
Itís not that the NCAA doesnít have money. Itís that theyíre not going to invest it in sports that donít make them more money. You donít get rich making bad investments!

NUProf
03-07-2018, 08:01 PM
Thanks for posting this.

Now, when I hear about how the supposedly-immutable D-3 bylaws (eg., the 500-mile BS) exist because it's just too darn expensive for the NCAA to toss a few nickels at D-3 hockey, I'll be able to counter with a factual link.

GD, does anyone *in his right mind* think that D-3 won't get whatever support it needs from the NCAA, as long as it makes the process demonstrably more equitable, within broad limits..?

So, to my point: select the field fairly, seed it fairly, and site it fairly... Let the boys catch a plane if necessary: they'll be fine.

Who in God's name will complain, aside from the very few who are married to the current (ridiculous) rules?

D3 (for all championships) get 3% of the NCAA budget. The DI schools choose to share that amount of revenue, and they have talked about reducing the percentage due to their increased revenue. If they had a choice they would give less than what they do.

Fishman'81
03-07-2018, 08:53 PM
D3 (for all championships) get 3% of the NCAA budget. The DI schools choose to share that amount of revenue, and they have talked about reducing the percentage due to their increased revenue. If they had a choice they would give less than what they do.

Sometimes one has to demand one's due, instead of sitting on one's hands and meekly accepting a bad situation.

GB Puck Fan
03-07-2018, 08:58 PM
The are 443 D3 members. There are 659 D1 and D2 members (combined). There arenít enough votes there to force a change.

Fishman'81
03-07-2018, 09:24 PM
Do you truly think that D-1 cares enough to fight any improvements that D-3 hockey might ask for..?

i don't. We're talking complete chump-change, compared to what what D-1 football/hoops have falling out of their pockets.

Russell Jaslow
03-08-2018, 08:02 AM
Certainly... But there a few D-3 apologists who say that there's no way to ask for a buck or two more in order to fix our sport...

That, I don't buy.

No one has ever said this. No one!!!!!

jerrynu26
03-08-2018, 08:03 AM
The are 443 D3 members. There are 659 D1 and D2 members (combined). There arenít enough votes there to force a change.

And the NCAA membership is worried that the top football and/or basketball programs could say "We earn the money, what do we really need the NCAA for?", eliminating the pot of $s.

Russell Jaslow
03-08-2018, 08:03 AM
Sometimes one has to demand one's due, instead of sitting on one's hands and meekly accepting a bad situation.

Now this, people have said.

We've advocated asking for more money. However, we've been beaten down so much, we do tend to sit around on our hands meekly accepting this crap.

Russell Jaslow
03-08-2018, 08:05 AM
And the NCAA membership is worried that the top football and/or basketball programs could say "We earn the money, what do we really need the NCAA for?", eliminating the pot of $s.

In some ways, that happens in football.

The playoff series is independently run. The NCAA doesn't get any of that money other than a "licensing" fee which is but a tiny percentage of the total amount the playoff series makes. If the NCAA owned that, like they do March Madness, they wouldn't know what to do with all the money...

jerrynu26
03-08-2018, 08:51 AM
In some ways, that happens in football.

The playoff series is independently run. The NCAA doesn't get any of that money other than a "licensing" fee which is but a tiny percentage of the total amount the playoff series makes. If the NCAA owned that, like they do March Madness, they wouldn't know what to do with all the money...

Yes, but if the big football schools pulled out (some of whom have big bball programs), what would happen to the revenue streams? I'm frankly surprised that bball hasn't seriously considered leaving. It isn't like they really follow NCAA rules anyway....

NUProf
03-08-2018, 09:58 AM
Yes, but if the big football schools pulled out (some of whom have big bball programs), what would happen to the revenue streams? I'm frankly surprised that bball hasn't seriously considered leaving. It isn't like they really follow NCAA rules anyway....

Part of the reason that the NCAA bends over backwards to the Division I teams is the threat that was made in the 1980s by the CFA to pull football Division I football out of the NCAA. At that time the NCAA had complete control over TV revenues and teams were limited in what they could do with their TV rights. The CFA sued and the NCAA caved. As part of all this, the NCAA's attention to the other divisions was reduced. Rightly or wrongly, the DII and DIII schools have decided not to rock the boat, feeling that it is better to get the pittance that DI is willing to give up than go on their own.

Russell Jaslow
03-08-2018, 01:32 PM
Yes, but if the big football schools pulled out (some of whom have big bball programs), what would happen to the revenue streams? I'm frankly surprised that bball hasn't seriously considered leaving. It isn't like they really follow NCAA rules anyway....

The NCAA is ultimately run by the Presidents of the colleges. If they are happy, the NCAA is safe. If they, or enough D1 "theys," are unhappy, then the NCAA is in trouble.

But someone has to run the sport(s). And the college presidents will always be the ultimate bosses of it. It's a matter of what organization they want to run it.

SNC SID
03-08-2018, 03:33 PM
Part of the reason that the NCAA bends over backwards to the Division I teams is the threat that was made in the 1980s by the CFA to pull football Division I football out of the NCAA. At that time the NCAA had complete control over TV revenues and teams were limited in what they could do with their TV rights. The CFA sued and the NCAA caved. As part of all this, the NCAA's attention to the other divisions was reduced. Rightly or wrongly, the DII and DIII schools have decided not to rock the boat, feeling that it is better to get the pittance that DI is willing to give up than go on their own.

You're darn right it's better to get the "pittance." The reason for the large growth in D2 and D3 in the last 25 years is the defections from NAIA, where schools had to - and as I understand still - pay for all of their post-season travel. The post-season rewards from the NCAA were/are infinitely better than the alternative. I've heard all kinds of interesting stories about St. Norbert scraping up enough money to send the basketball team to Kansas City for the NAIA Tournament back in the 1960s. I think they went by train at least once.

NU Pastime
03-10-2018, 01:42 PM
You're darn right it's better to get the "pittance." The reason for the large growth in D2 and D3 in the last 25 years is the defections from NAIA, where schools had to - and as I understand still - pay for all of their post-season travel. The post-season rewards from the NCAA were/are infinitely better than the alternative. I've heard all kinds of interesting stories about St. Norbert scraping up enough money to send the basketball team to Kansas City for the NAIA Tournament back in the 1960s. I think they went by train at least once.

If only American trains didn't take as long to get places as driving, train is the best way to travel.