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ticapnews
02-16-2018, 01:05 PM
what is the rule on same conference first round matchups? when would the committee be ok with it? is it based on # of teams from that conference in the tourney?

5+ teams from a conference is the rule.
In practice, only when absolutely necessary - such as when a conference has 3 #2 seeds and 2 #3 seeds.

J.D.
02-16-2018, 01:09 PM
Thanks. While I know things will change my thought on the current PWR would be to have Denver take on North Dakota in Sioux Falls given that they match up bracket integrity wise. rather than screwing St. Cloud doubly as the #1 overall seed.

Numbers
02-16-2018, 01:59 PM
Thanks. While I know things will change my thought on the current PWR would be to have Denver take on North Dakota in Sioux Falls given that they match up bracket integrity wise. rather than screwing St. Cloud doubly as the #1 overall seed.

While Current PWR has 5+ NCHC teams in the field, it would not require an all NCHC first round game. Only when leaving all teams in their seed bands requires intra=conference matchups will it happen.

Current PWR does not require that.

#1s: St Cloud (NCHC), NoDame (B10), Cornell (ECAC), Denver (NCHC)
#4s: NoDak (NCHC), N'eastern (HE), Michigan (B10), AHA Champ

The clear play here is that Denver can't go to Sioux Falls (same Conference), so either Cornell or Notre Dame has to. And, given that there are few Eastern teams in the current field, it's a sure thing that, if the final PWR was like this, Cornell would stay east for attendance.... You likely get:
Sioux Falls: NoDame v NoDak
Allentown: St Cloud v AHA
Bridgeport: Cornell v Northeastern
Worcester: Denver v Michigan,

with Providence in Worcester.

No need for an all NCHC game.

J.D.
02-16-2018, 04:18 PM
Right, I know it can be avoided under the current rankings. Just curious if this scenario might lead them to having that all NCHC matchup despite there being other alternatives. This was predicated on me getting Notre Dame to Allentown but I really have no idea if that even matters. If you had something like Notre Dame, Ohio State and Western Michigan in Allentown maybe attendance wouldn't be completely embarrassing.

Numbers
02-16-2018, 04:48 PM
Right, I know it can be avoided under the current rankings. Just curious if this scenario might lead them to having that all NCHC matchup despite there being other alternatives. This was predicated on me getting Notre Dame to Allentown but I really have no idea if that even matters. If you had something like Notre Dame, Ohio State and Western Michigan in Allentown maybe attendance wouldn't be completely embarrassing.

Notre Dame to Allentown...
1- Make sure Penn State is not in the field.
2- Get Notre Dame to #1 overall, or get NoDak to the 3 band.

Numbers
02-17-2018, 10:25 PM
Late NCHC games yet to be played on Saturday night.

Good results this weekend for Minnesota (W and T vs Ohio State).

NCHC teams basically treading water.
UMD needed wins vs Miami (lower ranked team - a loss would hurt the RPI a lot)
W Mich got a T and L vs SCSU. Could have been worse. They are on the .500 bubble yet, but that T Friday night is huge.
Omaha and NoDak appear to be on the way to a split. (Should Omaha come back and win, NoDak's place in the NCAAs would be under threat).

The middle 4 teams in NCHC have to survive each other in the 1/4 finals to make the NCC field. That's Western, Duluth, NoDak and Omaha.

And, the most interesting feature: According to Jim Dahl, should CC defeat DU, Mankato would overtake the Pioneers for the last #1 seed

Siouxfaninseattle
02-18-2018, 12:53 AM
Late NCHC games yet to be played on Saturday night.

Good results this weekend for Minnesota (W and T vs Ohio State).

NCHC teams basically treading water.
UMD needed wins vs Miami (lower ranked team - a loss would hurt the RPI a lot)
W Mich got a T and L vs SCSU. Could have been worse. They are on the .500 bubble yet, but that T Friday night is huge.
Omaha and NoDak appear to be on the way to a split. (Should Omaha come back and win, NoDak's place in the NCAAs would be under threat).

The middle 4 teams in NCHC have to survive each other in the 1/4 finals to make the NCC field. That's Western, Duluth, NoDak and Omaha.

And, the most interesting feature: According to Jim Dahl, should CC defeat DU, Mankato would overtake the Pioneers for the last #1 seed


And that has happened. DU falls to 5 in Pairwise, MSU moves to 4.

Numbers
02-18-2018, 02:58 PM
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And that has happened. DU falls to 5 in Pairwise, MSU moves to 4.

And very thinly. 4,5 depend on the outcome of today's game.

ticapnews
02-18-2018, 07:58 PM
Bridgeport Worcester Allentown Sioux Falls
St Cloud Cornell Notre Dame Mankato
Minnesota Ohio State Clarkson Denver
Providence Northeastern Minn-Duluth Michigan
Mercyhurst Omaha Boston Coll No Dakota

BC is in as the projected Hockey East champion. They replace Western Michigan.

purpleinnebraska
02-18-2018, 08:22 PM
Bridgeport Worcester Allentown Sioux Falls
St Cloud Cornell Notre Dame Mankato
Minnesota Ohio State Clarkson Denver
Providence Northeastern Minn-Duluth Michigan
Mercyhurst Omaha Boston Coll No Dakota

BC is in as the projected Hockey East champion. They replace Western Michigan.

Bracket integrity (mostly), no conference matchup problems, and I get to see my Mavericks in Sioux Falls! I like it!

Numbers
02-18-2018, 08:48 PM
Bridgeport Worcester Allentown Sioux Falls
St Cloud Cornell Notre Dame Mankato
Minnesota Ohio State Clarkson Denver
Providence Northeastern Minn-Duluth Michigan
Mercyhurst Omaha Boston Coll No Dakota

BC is in as the projected Hockey East champion. They replace Western Michigan.

There might be a chance that OSU would go to Allentown, although I don't know what kind of attendace bump they would give.
Also, note that if DU and MSU-M were reversed, this blows up (assuming NoDak stays a #4), and you get....
B-port: SCSU, Minn, Prov, AHA (MU)
W'cester: Denver, Clarkson, Neastern, BC
Allentown:Notre Dame, OSU, Duluth, Omaha
Sioux Falls: Cornell, Kato, Mich, NoDak

Which is truly horrible, but it becomes a terrible exercise in damage control, because NoDak can't face either Denver or SCSU.

ticapnews
02-18-2018, 09:23 PM
There might be a chance that OSU would go to Allentown, although I don't know what kind of attendace bump they would give.
Also, note that if DU and MSU-M were reversed, this blows up (assuming NoDak stays a #4), and you get....
B-port: SCSU, Minn, Prov, AHA (MU)
W'cester: Denver, Clarkson, Neastern, BC
Allentown:Notre Dame, OSU, Duluth, Omaha
Sioux Falls: Cornell, Kato, Mich, NoDak

Which is truly horrible, but it becomes a terrible exercise in damage control, because NoDak can't face either Denver or SCSU.

Ideal for the committee is Minnesota in the 2 band and NoDak in the 3. Then Sioux Falls is SCSU vs AHA / Minnesota v North Dakota.

Numbers
02-18-2018, 09:31 PM
Ideal for the committee is Minnesota in the 2 band and NoDak in the 3. Then Sioux Falls is SCSU vs AHA / Minnesota v North Dakota.

Yes, but works with Mankato as a #2 as well, with NoDak as a #3.

ticapnews
02-18-2018, 09:36 PM
Yes, but works with Mankato as a #2 as well, with NoDak as a #3.

Yeah but..Gophers vs Sioux....err, Fighting Hawks...

Numbers
02-18-2018, 09:40 PM
Yeah but..Gophers vs Sioux....err, Fighting Hawks...

Which won't be necessary to fill the barn. So, I think the committee goes with Proper seeding first, and MN vs UND 2nd.

Btw, where are you from?

ticapnews
02-18-2018, 10:20 PM
Which won't be necessary to fill the barn. So, I think the committee goes with Proper seeding first, and MN vs UND 2nd.

Btw, where are you from?

Maine.

It isn't about selling seats, it's the marquee match.
Although ESPN wouldn't care. They'd hype the hell out of Notre Dame vs BC though. Two BCS teams!

jeteye1717
02-18-2018, 10:30 PM
A quick question (and apologies in advance if I missed it quickly scanning this and related threads) - is there a rule currently in place that prevents sub-0.500 teams from being awarded at-large NCAA bids? I ask because looking at the current PWR there are teams such as UNO, Western, and Penn State (and even perhaps BU) currently in PWR contention for bids that could conceivably end their seasons fairly soon with just such an overall record. The fratricide in the NCHC is especially acute, but will it actually knock a fellow conference member right out of the National Tournament? I realize there's still a lot of hockey yet to be played, and this concern may end up being moot, but I'm curious nonetheless whether such an eventuality has officially been factored into the Committee's selection criteria ...

Numbers
02-18-2018, 10:41 PM
A quick question (and apologies in advance if I missed it quickly scanning this and related threads) - is there a rule currently in place that prevents sub-0.500 teams from being awarded at-large NCAA bids? I ask because looking at the current PWR there are teams such as UNO, Western, and Penn State (and even perhaps BU) currently in PWR contention for bids that could conceivably end their seasons fairly soon with just such an overall record. The fratricide in the NCHC is especially acute, but will it actually knock a fellow conference member right out of the National Tournament? I realize there's still a lot of hockey yet to be played, and this concern may end up being moot, but I'm curious nonetheless whether such an eventuality has officially been factored into the Committee's selection criteria ...

This was discussed upthread, and the answer is that, yes, the .500 rule exists. In practice here, it will get really dicey...Next week: NoDak @ miami, CC @ omaha, UMD @ WMU. Currently, NoDak is a +4, so it's unlikely they fall below .500 (Would need to go 0-4 and then lose their NCHC 1/4final), without falling from the field anyway.
Miami is not in the discussion
CC Could be, but not without a real run, which would have them safe on the .500 rule
For kicks, let's say that Omaha goes 0-1-1, UMD and WMU go 1-1, then....
Omaha..even
UMD...+3
WMU...even
The last week has...WMU @ CC and Omaha @ UMD. Let's say CC goes 1-0-1, and Omaha goes 0-2...then
UMD..safe
WMU -1
Omaha -2
But, now Omaha sweeps the first round playoffs.....(even) and the loses their semi-final. I think they would be (-1), but probably still in the field.

Like you say, it's a real situation.

First Time, Long Time
02-18-2018, 11:17 PM
Keep in mind the NCHC has a 3rd place game which could end up a big factor.

Schmitty
02-19-2018, 01:58 AM
I'm not sure what you fellows are actually saying.

What Iím saying is that I oppose efforts to give teams that already have the high ground ó in the form of weaker opponents ó an additional home ice advantage in a sport where it is notoriously hard to win in another teamís arena.

At that point youíre just letting the Frozen Four participants host exhibition games.