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Numbers
03-17-2018, 02:14 PM
As a fan of one of the NCHC teams already in this is our dream scenario... tough conference knocks each other around and eliminates each other

Yes, but also, not the usual OOC results early on as before.
B10 will get 4 teams, and probably 5 (UMTC), and that's out of 7, who knocked each other around pretty well, too. But, very fortunate early results carried the day.
And, that's borne out by KRACH.

purpleinnebraska
03-17-2018, 04:38 PM
Is there any scenario for either team in this consolation game where a win is any better than a tie?

Numbers
03-17-2018, 04:46 PM
Is there any scenario for either team in this consolation game where a win is any better than a tie?

I believe the answer is 'no', because in both cases, the needful thing is to maintain a lead in RPI over 1 other team...NoDak over BC and UMD over UMTC. In either case, a tie does that as well as a win

Fighting Sioux 23
03-17-2018, 04:49 PM
Is there any scenario for either team in this consolation game where a win is any better than a tie?

It makes no difference for North Dakota. They will be above BC with either a win or tie, but won't be able to catch Minnesota (or Minnesota Duluth).

Minnesota Duluth could potentially be a 2 seed with a win (although unlikely), and would be a 3 seed with a tie...I believe.

Speed Kills
03-17-2018, 05:53 PM
As a fan of one of the NCHC teams already in this is our dream scenario... tough conference knocks each other around and eliminates each other

And yet somehow the Big Ten has at least four and possibly five teams in the field of 16.

Maybe, just MAYBE... the NCHC is nowhere near as strong as they were last year.

Fighting Sioux 23
03-17-2018, 06:07 PM
And yet somehow the Big Ten has at least four and possibly five teams in the field of 16.

Maybe, just MAYBE... the NCHC is nowhere near as strong as they were last year.

The NCHC's depth isn't quite as good as it was in 2015-2016 and 2016-2017. That being said, SCSU and Denver might be the two best teams in the country, and Duluth is capable of winning it all...if they get in.

Of course, the beauty of the NCAA Tournament is that it shows what conference is truly the best. The last two years, it wasn't even close. We'll see what happens this season.

SJHovey
03-17-2018, 06:12 PM
And yet somehow the Big Ten has at least four and possibly five teams in the field of 16.

Maybe, just MAYBE... the NCHC is nowhere near as strong as they were last year.

Yea!! Davekís mom gave him posting privileges this weekend!!!

Fighting Sioux 23
03-17-2018, 06:16 PM
North Dakota's win eliminates Boston College.

3 spots left for 5 teams.

Minnesota clinches spot in NCAA Tournament with:
SCSU win; OR
Northern Michigan win; OR
Ohio State win; OR
Robert Morris win; OR
Providence win; OR
Clarkson win.

Minnesota Duluth clinches spot in NCAA Tournament with:
Providence win; OR
Clarkson win; OR
SCSU, Northern Michigan, Ohio State, AND Robert Morris lose

North Dakota clinches spot in NCAA Tournament with:
Providence win AND Clarkson win

Boston University clinches spot in NCAA Tournament with win.

Princeton clinches spot in NCAA Tournament with win.

Speed Kills
03-17-2018, 06:18 PM
The NCHC's depth isn't quite as good as it was in 2015-2016 and 2016-2017. That being said, SCSU and Denver might be the two best teams in the country, and Duluth is capable of winning it all...if they get in.

Of course, the beauty of the NCAA Tournament is that it shows what conference is truly the best. The last two years, it wasn't even close. We'll see what happens this season.

SCSU and Denver are among the top 6 to 8 teams, but to call them the two best is pretty bold. I think that Notre Dame, Cornell, Ohio State, Minnesota State, Clarkson, Providence, Michigan, and Northeastern are all right up there with Denver and SCSU.

Speed Kills
03-17-2018, 06:21 PM
North Dakota's win eliminates Boston College.

3 spots left for 5 teams.

Minnesota clinches spot in NCAA Tournament with:
SCSU win; OR
Northern Michigan win; OR
Ohio State win; OR
Robert Morris win; OR
Providence win; OR
Clarkson win.

Minnesota Duluth clinches spot in NCAA Tournament with:
Providence win; OR
Clarkson win; OR
SCSU, Northern Michigan, Ohio State, AND Robert Morris lose

North Dakota clinches spot in NCAA Tournament with:
Providence win AND Clarkson win

Boston University clinches spot in NCAA Tournament with win.

Princeton clinches spot in NCAA Tournament with win.

I think, if I have run the possibilities correctly...

North Dakota will eliminated with a victory by either Princeton or BU
MN-Duluth will be eliminated with victories by both Princeton and BU

Somebody please correct me if I am mistaken.

Fighting Sioux 23
03-17-2018, 06:50 PM
I think, if I have run the possibilities correctly...

North Dakota will eliminated with a victory by either Princeton or BU
MN-Duluth will be eliminated with victories by both Princeton and BU

Somebody please correct me if I am mistaken.

I believe if Providence, Clarkson, SCSU, Northern Michigan, Ohio State, AND Robert Morris lose, then Minnesota is eliminated, and Minnesota Duluth gets in.

Fighting Sioux 23
03-17-2018, 06:54 PM
SCSU and Denver are among the top 6 to 8 teams, but to call them the two best is pretty bold. I think that Notre Dame, Cornell, Ohio State, Minnesota State, Clarkson, Providence, Michigan, and Northeastern are all right up there with Denver and SCSU.

FWIW, I said might be the two best teams in the country. Again, that's the beauty of the NCAA Tournament...we'll find out next weekend what conferences really had the best, and what conferences were a joke.

Numbers
03-17-2018, 07:06 PM
I believe if Providence, Clarkson, SCSU, Northern Michigan, Ohio State, AND Robert Morris lose, then Minnesota is eliminated, and Minnesota Duluth gets in.

This is correct from multiple sources, including my own research. What it amounts to, for Minnesota, is that they need ONE result out of 6 games tonight.
UMD need ONE result out of 2 games, OR ALL the results from 4 games.
NoDak needs BOTH results from 2 games
BU and Princeton simply need to win themselves.

Speed Kills
03-17-2018, 07:19 PM
FWIW, I said might be the two best teams in the country. Again, that's the beauty of the NCAA Tournament...we'll find out next weekend what conferences really had the best, and what conferences were a joke.

The best conference is the one with the most teams in the tournament. Next weekend we'll find out who the best teams are, because the thing is just because a team does well that doesn't represent all of the non-tournament teams in their conference. For example, let's say just as a hypothetical scenario what if Air Force wins a national championship... does that make Atlantic Hockey the best conference? Of course not. If Denver and SCSU both end up in the national championship game then maybe you can make a case for the NCHC even if Duluth ends up one and done or possibly on the outside looking in, but at the end of the day the Big Ten has been a much deeper conference than the NCHC this year. I don't think any objective person would dispute that.

Numbers
03-17-2018, 07:23 PM
The best conference is the one with the most teams in the tournament. Next weekend we'll find out who the best teams are, because the thing is just because a team does well that doesn't represent all of the non-tournament teams in their conference. For example, let's say just as a hypothetical scenario what if Air Force wins a national championship... does that make Atlantic Hockey the best conference? Of course not. If Denver and SCSU both end up in the national championship game then maybe you can make a case for the NCHC even if Duluth ends up one and done or possibly on the outside looking in, but at the end of the day the Big Ten has been a much deeper conference than the NCHC this year. I don't think any objective person would dispute that.

This is true, but needs a little explanation. The vast majority of OOC games take place early in the season, and those are the only games that give us any results to judge which conference is better. This year, in particular, the B10 had better results in those games than they typically have had. And, NCHC was worse than they typically are. Those were 3 months ago and more, but they still tilt the field toward the B10. That's true in any OBJECTIVE ranking system. Including the KRACH or KASA (which includes home-ice) which are so beloved on this web site.

However, it could easily be true that, IN THIS INSTANT, the B10 is not the best conference. The most we can say is that, 'Collectively, the B10 had the best OOC results this year.'

ticapnews
03-17-2018, 07:38 PM
St Cloud will be the #1 seed in Sioux Falls or Bridgeport
The Notre Dame/OSU winner will be the #1 seed in Allentown
Cornell will be the #1 seed in Worcester
Ohio State/Notre Dame loser will be the #1 seed in Bridgeport or Sioux Falls

Speed Kills
03-17-2018, 07:44 PM
This is true, but needs a little explanation. The vast majority of OOC games take place early in the season, and those are the only games that give us any results to judge which conference is better. This year, in particular, the B10 had better results in those games than they typically have had. And, NCHC was worse than they typically are. Those were 3 months ago and more, but they still tilt the field toward the B10. That's true in any OBJECTIVE ranking system. Including the KRACH or KASA (which includes home-ice) which are so beloved on this web site.

However, it could easily be true that, IN THIS INSTANT, the B10 is not the best conference. The most we can say is that, 'Collectively, the B10 had the best OOC results this year.'

Okay, hypothetical scenario...

Letís say out of 4 or 5 teams among the field of 16, three of them win their first game in the tournament and at least one of them goes to the Frozen Four itíll solidify the case Iím making for the Big Ten as the best conference in college hockey for the 2017-18 season.

ticapnews
03-17-2018, 07:46 PM
Air Force leads Bobby Mo 4-0.

St Cloud vs AFA in Sioux Falls or Bridgeport.

Numbers
03-17-2018, 07:53 PM
Okay, hypothetical scenario...

Let’s say out of 4 or 5 teams among the field of 16, three of them win their first game in the tournament and at least one of them goes to the Frozen Four it’ll solidify the case I’m making for the Big Ten as the best conference in college hockey for the 2017-18 season.

I'm a Minnesota fan, so I tend to be with you. But, continuing your hypothetical:
Suppose 2 of the three who won their first game were outshot 33-19 or some such thing, and the one who went to the F4 won a 3OT thriller with 2 amazing saves by their own goalie in the 2nd OT???

Point being: One and done hockey results don't really say much.

Numbers
03-17-2018, 07:53 PM
Air Force leads Bobby Mo 4-0.

St Cloud vs AFA in Sioux Falls or Bridgeport.

Is Denver out of a #1 now?