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Originally posted by amkirby10 View PostThe thing with basketball is that relative to other sports, structural costs are low, so the potential for money making is greater. I bet if Maine basketball were successful they could pull in at least a modest profit.Originally posted by BobbyBrady
Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year
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Originally posted by ticapnews View Post1) Scrap football
2) Replace it with lacrosse (America East)
3) Reinvest the savings in recruiting across all sports.
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Originally posted by walrus View PostAnyone who thinks football goes away is crazy. The only way it goes away is the whole athletic dept goes away.
Originally posted by chickod View PostSavings? I'll bet most of the revenue for the entire department comes from football. How much revenue will you get from twenty people going to a lacrosse game?
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Originally posted by ticapnews View PostI don't think it is going away, I think it should go away.
Maine has never made the NCAA tournament and probably never will. Sorry for the non-hockey post, just felt compelled to offer my opinion.
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Originally posted by ticapnews View PostI don't think it is going away, I think it should go away.
Even with the two annual money games, the football program loses over $1,000,000 each year. The women's hockey team is often cited as a huge drag on the athletic department budget but its losses are "only" $800,000.
I'm all about sexual equality, but let's face it: the only womens' sport that has a fighting chance to break-even financially at Maine is hoops.
Many, many schools bleed green via Title IX. It is a well-intentioned rule, but an unrealistic one. Absolutely no one shows-up half the time. I say, let the schools choose what sports that they want offer, and let the women decide where they want to play as a result. If the 800K the womens' hockey team gets could be applied to the vastly more popular (and historically more successful) football program, I do think that Maine fans -in general- would find that a far more logical allocation of resources.Last edited by Fishman'81; 02-21-2018, 07:05 PM.
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Originally posted by Runsub5 View PostNot sure if there is any correlation, but Vermont eliminated football and baseball and have a very good men's program now. More financial resources (scholarships), now available? Vermont did get a break with Coppenrath and a good coach which got the program some initial recognition.
Maine has never made the NCAA tournament and probably never will. Sorry for the non-hockey post, just felt compelled to offer my opinion.
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Originally posted by Runsub5 View PostNot sure if there is any correlation, but Vermont eliminated football and baseball and have a very good men's program now. More financial resources (scholarships), now available? Vermont did get a break with Coppenrath and a good coach which got the program some initial recognition.
Maine has never made the NCAA tournament and probably never will. Sorry for the non-hockey post, just felt compelled to offer my opinion.
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Originally posted by Fishman'81 View PostA Title IX deal.
I'm all about sexual equality, but let's face it: the only womens' sport that has a fighting chance to break-even financially at Maine is hoops.
Many, many schools bleed green via Title IX. It is a well-intentioned rule, but an unrealistic one. Absolutely no one shows-up half the time. I say, let the schools choose what sports that they want offer, and let the women decide where they want to play as a result. If the 800K the womens' hockey team gets could be applied to the vastly more popular (and historically more successful) football program, I do think that Maine fans -in general- would find that a far more logical allocation of resources.
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Originally posted by Runsub5 View PostNot sure if there is any correlation, but Vermont eliminated football and baseball and have a very good men's program now. More financial resources (scholarships), now available? Vermont did get a break with Coppenrath and a good coach which got the program some initial recognition.
Maine has never made the NCAA tournament and probably never will. Sorry for the non-hockey post, just felt compelled to offer my opinion.
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43-21-4 (.662) in games I attended over 4 years as a student
104-47-14 (.669) in that time
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Originally posted by amkirby10 View PostMaine currently sponsors 9 women’s and 8 men’s sports, so at least by my understanding of the rule women’s hockey could get cut. I heard through the grapevine at one point they were considering axing it last year.
Saying "Maine has 9 women's sports and 8 men's, we can cut a women's sport" doesn't work because football has 63 scholarships and a huge financial investment. If you cut women's hockey, ALL of the money spent on women's hockey has to go to other women's sports, it can't be spent on men's hockey or basketball or football.
This is why the power 5 dominates women's sports moreso than they do men's (and they do dominate men's). If Alabama spends $50 million on football (SPENDs, not has net revenue- SPENDS), they have to pour $50M into women's athletics. So, their softball team has three practice fields and they give out dozens of women's track scholarships.
Long story short- women's hockey may not be popular but it, or another sport like it, needs to exist if Maine is going to offer men's hockey, baseball and football.
EDIT TO ADD: I looked up how the Supreme Court defined satisfying Title IX. You have to do one of these three things:
-Do as above, and provide opportunity in athletics that is proportionate to enrollment.
-Demonstrate continual expansion of athletic opportunities for women.
-Fully accommodate the interests and abilities of female students.
Cutting a sport doesn't show expansion. And there's no way the University could say "there isn't a woman on campus who wants to play a sport we don't offer." So, Maine needs to do what it does. And if Maine is going to have to offer a women's sport that is fairly expensive, women's hockey at least offers an opportunity to have success. Heck, the school has taken it seriously for what, two/three years? And they are in the top ten nationally? I say spend more money on it and go win a title.Last edited by AMC; 02-22-2018, 11:03 AM.
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Yeh, I think having a good womens hockey team can only help the mens hockey program. It would give the school more of a hockey reputation and name.
People talk about the sense of football at umaine, but to me its baseball. Baseball in this part of maine, seriously. Look at how few home games they get in, weather depending. How many times have the players been out shovelling tbe field to get in a game.
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Originally posted by NorthMike View PostYeh, I think having a good womens hockey team can only help the mens hockey program. It would give the school more of a hockey reputation and name.
People talk about the sense of football at umaine, but to me its baseball. Baseball in this part of maine, seriously. Look at how few home games they get in, weather depending. How many times have the players been out shovelling tbe field to get in a game.
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Im not sure the younger guys on here understand how great baseball was here when Jack Butterfield and then especially under Winkin. Huge crowds for baseball, regionals, Miami playing in Orono, it was a blast.
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