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NEHockey92
01-31-2018, 05:50 AM
As the regular season is sliming down to its final few weeks I'm curious to see how everyone ranks the teams in the East and the West. Who are the front runners for the At large bids for the tourney?

NU Pastime
02-07-2018, 08:07 PM
This post has gotten passed kver, but I'd be interested to hear people's opinions. I'll have to do a bit more number crunching before stating mine, at least in the East. The West is more clear-cut at the top:

1. Adrian
2. SNC
3. UWSP

NEHockey92
02-08-2018, 10:04 AM
[QUOTE=NU Pastime;6600261]This post has gotten passed kver, but I'd be interested to hear people's opinions. I'll have to do a bit more number crunching before stating mine, at least in the East. The West is more clear-cut at the top:

1. Adrian
2. SNC
3. UWSP[/QUOTE


I agree with your West. Pretty straight forward. East was very hard. Here's what I think:
East
1. Oswego St
2. Salve
3. Trinity
4. UNE
5. Endicott
6. Geneseo
7. Utica
8. Norwich
9. Hobart
10. Buff St.

* these are subject to change obviously with some key matchups this weekend amoungst the 10 I just named. Will do it again after the weekend results!

NU Pastime
02-08-2018, 12:03 PM
The difficulty with the East is that some teams won games that they shouldn't have won. I mean, I know that's a standard sports issue. But it seems particularly prevalent this year where you have teams like UNE beating Norwich even though Norwich dominated the game.

Do I really think UNE is one of the top 5 teams in the East? No. But, I err on the side of "most deserving" over the subjective rank of "better team". You play to win the game and that's why teams like UNE should be ranked above teams like Norwich.

Overall, I like your list.

bakdraft21
02-08-2018, 12:24 PM
[QUOTE=NU Pastime;6600261]This post has gotten passed kver, but I'd be interested to hear people's opinions. I'll have to do a bit more number crunching before stating mine, at least in the East. The West is more clear-cut at the top:

1. Adrian
2. SNC
3. UWSP[/QUOTE


I agree with your West. Pretty straight forward. East was very hard. Here's what I think:
East
1. Oswego St
2. Salve
3. Trinity
4. UNE
5. Endicott
6. Geneseo
7. Utica
8. Norwich
9. Hobart
10. Buff St.

* these are subject to change obviously with some key matchups this weekend amoungst the 10 I just named. Will do it again after the weekend results! Yes #1 vs #6 tomorrow is BIG game ...

altazo
02-08-2018, 01:27 PM
This post has gotten passed kver, but I'd be interested to hear people's opinions. I'll have to do a bit more number crunching before stating mine, at least in the East. The West is more clear-cut at the top:

1. Adrian
2. SNC
3. UWSP

Not so sure why you think the West is so clear-cut. Letís compare the top three teamís records vs each other:

UWSP 2-1
SNC 2-1
Adrian 1-3

SNC is the only team to have defeated the other two top teams.

7 of Adrianís wins have come against Finlandia, Trine, and Aurora. Also, all 4 of their losses have been to ranked teams. They currently have the lowest RNK of the three.

Tom Coughlin
02-08-2018, 01:32 PM
7 of Adrian’s wins have come against Finlandia, Trine, and Aurora.

Don't be hating on Finlandia. They took CSS to overtime last weekend.

altazo
02-08-2018, 01:33 PM
Don't be hating on Finlandia. They took CSS to overtime last weekend.

Iím not hating on anyone, Coach.

Tom Coughlin
02-08-2018, 01:40 PM
Right now in the West I have SNC, UWSP, then Adrian, mostly based on head to head. If Adrian wins the Harris Cup, I think it will flip to UWSP, Adrian, then SNC.

Birdwatcher
02-08-2018, 02:54 PM
Not so sure why you think the West is so clear-cut. Let’s compare the top three team’s records vs each other:

UWSP 2-1
SNC 2-1
Adrian 1-3

SNC is the only team to have defeated the other two top teams.

7 of Adrian’s wins have come against Finlandia, Trine, and Aurora. Also, all 4 of their losses have been to ranked teams. They currently have the lowest RNK of the three.

There have not been any rankings that count.....only polls.

altazo
02-08-2018, 05:39 PM
There have not been any rankings that count.....only polls.

Yes, thank you, I am aware. Do you think there is a good chance SNC, UWSP, and Salve will all be regionally ranked when the NCAA releases their first rankings? If so, Adrian will have the lowest RNK at that time among the western region teams being discussed.

Birdwatcher
02-08-2018, 05:47 PM
Yes, thank you, I am aware. Do you think there is a good chance SNC, UWSP, and Salve will all be regionally ranked when the NCAA releases their first rankings? If so, Adrian will have the lowest RNK at that time among the western region teams being discussed.

More than likely, as far as what order, that will depend on the metrics on Monday.

NU Pastime
02-09-2018, 09:24 AM
Not so sure why you think the West is so clear-cut. Letís compare the top three teamís records vs each other:

UWSP 2-1
SNC 2-1
Adrian 1-3

SNC is the only team to have defeated the other two top teams.

7 of Adrianís wins have come against Finlandia, Trine, and Aurora. Also, all 4 of their losses have been to ranked teams. They currently have the lowest RNK of the three.

The flip side of that argument is who have you lost to? True, Adrian has lost against some ranked teams (highly ranked teams), but they have only lost to highly ranked teams. I think an argument could be made for UWSP more so than SNC. SNC and Adrian are a wash head-to-head, both beat each other at home in OT, whereas UWSP swept Adrian. But then UWSP also lost to Hamline and then two good, but not great, teams in Marian and Augsburg.

But I should've been more clear when I said "clear-cut". What I was implying was that in the West there's those three teams and then everyone else. Whereas the East is much more jumbled and uncertain. I fully expect two of those teams from the West to make the Frozen Four and for one of them to win the title (SNC is my pick at the moment, but the rankings goes back to the best v. Most Deserving debate).

The East on the other hand is anyone's guess. I'd rank Oswego 1, I said weeks ago that they're the team to beat. However I know some of their posters are concerned with how well they'd do out of conference. They could make a run or get knocked out in the first round. Same with Trinity. And Endicott. And Salve. And Norwich. Etc. Etc.

PrezdeJohnson09
02-09-2018, 09:37 AM
The flip side of that argument is who have you lost to? True, Adrian has lost against some ranked teams (highly ranked teams), but they have only lost to highly ranked teams. I think an argument could be made for UWSP more so than SNC. SNC and Adrian are a wash head-to-head, both beat each other at home in OT, whereas UWSP swept Adrian. But then UWSP also lost to Hamline and then two good, but not great, teams in Marian and Augsburg.

But I should've been more clear when I said "clear-cut". What I was implying was that in the West there's those three teams and then everyone else. Whereas the East is much more jumbled and uncertain. I fully expect two of those teams from the West to make the Frozen Four and for one of them to win the title (SNC is my pick at the moment, but the rankings goes back to the best v. Most Deserving debate).

The East on the other hand is anyone's guess. I'd rank Oswego 1, I said weeks ago that they're the team to beat. However I know some of their posters are concerned with how well they'd do out of conference. They could make a run or get knocked out in the first round. Same with Trinity. And Endicott. And Salve. And Norwich. Etc. Etc.

What is getting overlooked here is looking at who Salve Regina has beat and the records of all the teams they have played OOC.

pete99race
02-09-2018, 10:22 AM
What is getting overlooked here is looking at who Salve Regina has beat and the records of all the teams they have played OOC.

If I were a betting man, I would put money on Salve getting to Lake Placid....very impressed with them on video...

Birdwatcher
02-09-2018, 10:29 AM
The flip side of that argument is who have you lost to? True, Adrian has lost against some ranked teams (highly ranked teams), but they have only lost to highly ranked teams. I think an argument could be made for UWSP more so than SNC. SNC and Adrian are a wash head-to-head, both beat each other at home in OT, whereas UWSP swept Adrian. But then UWSP also lost to Hamline and then two good, but not great, teams in Marian and Augsburg.



But I should've been more clear when I said "clear-cut". What I was implying was that in the West there's those three teams and then everyone else. Whereas the East is much more jumbled and uncertain. I fully expect two of those teams from the West to make the Frozen Four and for one of them to win the title (SNC is my pick at the moment, but the rankings goes back to the best v. Most Deserving debate).

The East on the other hand is anyone's guess. I'd rank Oswego 1, I said weeks ago that they're the team to beat. However I know some of their posters are concerned with how well they'd do out of conference. They could make a run or get knocked out in the first round. Same with Trinity. And Endicott. And Salve. And Norwich. Etc. Etc.
Please everyone...forget about these rankings. They mean nothing. Take into account the OOC and opponents OOC for the NCAA regional rankings. We have NO idea who was ranked where in the first super secret rankings.

bakdraft21
02-09-2018, 10:45 AM
Seems like there are the BIG 3 out west and as for the east it's up for grabs with many teams in the running.

CCC Fan
02-09-2018, 10:46 AM
I'm thinking Salve makes the final four. They've had a very strong OOC schedule and won them all. Within conference they have been very strong and the CCC night be the strongest conference in the east this year with really good teams, especially in one through six who have all played well OOC. Looking forward to see how they do this weekend against Nichols, a possible sleeper is Brennan returns to himself before his injury and flu bug.

altazo
02-09-2018, 10:54 AM
The flip side of that argument is who have you lost to? True, Adrian has lost against some ranked teams (highly ranked teams), but they have only lost to highly ranked teams. I think an argument could be made for UWSP more so than SNC. SNC and Adrian are a wash head-to-head, both beat each other at home in OT, whereas UWSP swept Adrian. But then UWSP also lost to Hamline and then two good, but not great, teams in Marian and Augsburg.

But I should've been more clear when I said "clear-cut". What I was implying was that in the West there's those three teams and then everyone else. Whereas the East is much more jumbled and uncertain. I fully expect two of those teams from the West to make the Frozen Four and for one of them to win the title (SNC is my pick at the moment, but the rankings goes back to the best v. Most Deserving debate).

The East on the other hand is anyone's guess. I'd rank Oswego 1, I said weeks ago that they're the team to beat. However I know some of their posters are concerned with how well they'd do out of conference. They could make a run or get knocked out in the first round. Same with Trinity. And Endicott. And Salve. And Norwich. Etc. Etc.

Gotcha.

Just to clarify, you do understand that it is better to lose against a weak team than a ranked team, right? It might not make a whole lot of logical sense, but in the western region for example, a loss to Adrian is worse on your resume than a loss to Hamline would be.

Adam_Krug#1
02-09-2018, 11:15 AM
Gotcha.

Just to clarify, you do understand that it is better to lose against a weak team than a ranked team, right? It might not make a whole lot of logical sense, but in the western region for example, a loss to Adrian is worse on your resume than a loss to Hamline would be.
That's why D3 needs to go to the KRACH, or RPI system. I've heard from some on here thats the only way to go.