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FireKnight
12-05-2017, 03:38 PM
Women's hockey and quite a splash too. Their first head coach will be Team USA and Princeton alumna Andrea Kilbourne-Hill.

http://paulsmiths.meritpages.com/news/Paul-Smiths-College-to-add-womens-hockey/1781

joecct
12-05-2017, 03:49 PM
Wonder what conference they'll play in? The logistics say NEWHL.

Scott_TG
12-05-2017, 04:46 PM
Wonder what conference they'll play in? The logistics say NEWHL.

To my understanding they are not an NCAA institution but a USCAA institution and I see no announcement that they are changing that, so they will not be in any NCAA conference.

giwan
12-05-2017, 04:58 PM
To my understanding they are not an NCAA institution but a USCAA institution and I see no announcement that they are changing that, so they will not be in any NCAA conference.

Are these start up interested in hockey or interested in keeping enrollment numbers up?

Scott_TG
12-05-2017, 05:17 PM
Are these start up interested in hockey or interested in keeping enrollment numbers up?

This is the first quote from the new Olympian HC alludes to increased enrollment:


"I'm excited to help bring women's hockey to Paul Smith's College," said Kilbourne-Hill. "I see the addition of a women's hockey team at Paul Smith's as a win-win. It's a win for Paul Smith's College. Adding a women's hockey team will bring driven and motivated female students onto this beautiful campus."

Even if the motivation is enrollment numbers for the institution, I think the byproduct of more opportunity to play women's hockey is a net positive for the sport.

GTOWN
12-05-2017, 09:18 PM
This is the first quote from the new Olympian HC alludes to increased enrollment:



Even if the motivation is enrollment numbers for the institution, I think the byproduct of more opportunity to play women's hockey is a net positive for the sport.


Did I miss something or does the USCAA not sponsor hockey?

PrezdeJohnson09
12-05-2017, 09:34 PM
Did I miss something or does the USCAA not sponsor hockey?

They’ll be likely playing club teams for majority of the schedule.

FireKnight
12-05-2017, 09:36 PM
To my understanding they are not an NCAA institution but a USCAA institution and I see no announcement that they are changing that, so they will not be in any NCAA conference.

The USCAA does not sanction hockey. One would have to assume they are going NCAA.

PrezdeJohnson09
12-05-2017, 10:58 PM
The USCAA does not sanction hockey. One would have to assume they are going NCAA.

You can't play NCAA hockey without being a NCAA member.

TonyTheTiger20
12-05-2017, 11:03 PM
Sounds like there's a lot of confusion here... it definitely has my attention

MaizeRage
12-06-2017, 10:37 AM
The USCAA does not sanction hockey. One would have to assume they are going NCAA.

USCAA doesn't sponsor coed marathon canoe either, but Paul Smith's has one of those teams. As someone said earlier, they can't play in the NCAA; they'll play mostly club teams.

bc6696
12-06-2017, 11:30 AM
USCAA doesn't sponsor coed marathon canoe either, but Paul Smith's has one of those teams. As someone said earlier, they can't play in the NCAA; they'll play mostly club teams.

A school can be affiliated with both NCAA and USCAA
http://www.theuscaa.com/Constitution_-_Bylaws/USCAA_Constitution_-_Bylaws_-effective_07-01-17-.pdf

SUNY Canton has dual membership (the only one i saw on the list)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_USCAA_institutions

shelfit
12-06-2017, 12:52 PM
They will have a tough time drawing many really good players because it is only club hockey (unless they decide to join the NCAA) and most of their majors are very much "non-mainstream," so very limiting when it comes to recruiting. Might be similar to the struggles Daniel Webster had.

Found an article where she said she left Northwood because she was missing too much family time with her kids but now she's going to do this?! Must be a nice paycheck involved to make her decide to sacrifice being able to spend time with her kids once again.

FireKnight
12-06-2017, 02:57 PM
USCAA doesn't sponsor coed marathon canoe either, but Paul Smith's has one of those teams. As someone said earlier, they can't play in the NCAA; they'll play mostly club teams.

I can't see even a well-to-do institution like Paul Smith's hiring a medium to high profile coach to coach a club team. If they don't go NCAA, I'd be very surprised.

shelfit
12-06-2017, 03:30 PM
I can't see even a well-to-do institution like Paul Smith's hiring a medium to high profile coach to coach a club team. If they don't go NCAA, I'd be very surprised.

That would seem like a logical direction to go in. I believe the article said her title is the Director of Hockey and that they do have a men's club hockey team too, so they probably have some sort of three to five year plan in place for a transition to NCAA status.

Scott_TG
12-06-2017, 03:55 PM
SUNY Canton has dual membership (the only one i saw on the list)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_USCAA_institutions

Is Canton staying with the USCAA? Their teams are all joining the North Atlantic Conference NCAA D3 conference in all sports where they offer a championship for 18-19. What would be the benefit of dual membership?

PrezdeJohnson09
12-07-2017, 10:44 PM
Is Canton staying with the USCAA? Their teams are all joining the North Atlantic Conference NCAA D3 conference in all sports where they offer a championship for 18-19. What would be the benefit of dual membership?

Canton is going full ncaa with the move to the NAC.

GTOWN
12-07-2017, 11:14 PM
Canton is going full ncaa with the move to the NAC.

NAC isn’t a very strong conference. Castleton is moving out of the NAC and into the Little East because they found the NAC a little lacking....

FireKnight
12-08-2017, 12:17 AM
Canton is going full ncaa with the move to the NAC.

Canton Tech is on a long path from JUCO to NCAA. They seemed to do it in baby steps.

Russell Jaslow
12-08-2017, 09:31 AM
A school can be affiliated with both NCAA and USCAA
http://www.theuscaa.com/Constitution_-_Bylaws/USCAA_Constitution_-_Bylaws_-effective_07-01-17-.pdf

SUNY Canton has dual membership (the only one i saw on the list)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_USCAA_institutions

True, they can be affiliated with both. But, they have to be a full member of NCAA to be able to play any NCAA sport. And there are minimum requirements to joining the NCAA, and they include a minimum number of sponsored NCAA sports with a minimum number of sponsored NCAA sports in each season (Fall, Winter, Spring). I don't know offhand what those minimum numbers are for D3, but I wonder if Paul Smith's even competes in enough sports to meet those numbers.

EDIT: I just went and looked at their sports offerings. Rugby doesn't count because that's not an NCAA sport. So, the men have cross country, soccer, and basketball. The women have cross country, soccer, volleyball, and basketball (and soon ice hockey). Note, there is no spring sports for anyone. That's a serious problem right there. And overall, I don't think they have enough sports to be recognized by the NCAA. I'm sure there are probationary periods allowed, but I wonder about this whole plan.

EDIT2: Here is what I found on the NCAA application to explore D3 membership:

Please note that your institution must satisfy the minimum sports-sponsorship requirements during your exploratory
year. Complete the chart included by listing all varsity intercollegiate sports involving all male, all female and mixed male
and female teams you plan to sponsor during the exploratory year.
1. At least six varsity intercollegiate sports for men and at least three of the six sports must be team sports.*
2. At least six varsity intercollegiate sports for women and at least three of the six sports must be team sports.*
3. One sport per gender per season (i.e., fall, winter, spring).
[Team sports include: baseball, basketball, field hockey, football, ice hockey, lacrosse, rowing (women’s), rugby
(women’s), soccer, softball, volleyball and water polo.]
*Institutions with full-time undergraduate enrollment fewer than 1,000 students must sponsor only five varsity
intercollegiate sports for each gender.

Paul Smith's does not meet any of these requirements, even for the ones under 1,000 students, if that is their enrollment.

[Funny, I just noticed that women's rugby is an NCAA sport. Huh, never knew that. So, the women's side if they are under 1,000 students would meet requirement #2. Is rugby in the spring? If so, half of requirement #3 is also now met.]