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2Bladedskates
11-13-2017, 02:45 PM
I know people may be tired of hearing about this story, but thought some might find this an interesting read.


https://www.zenithcitynews.com/single-post/110717-feature

giwan
11-13-2017, 03:12 PM
I know people may be tired of hearing about this story, but thought some might find this an interesting read.
https://www.zenithcitynews.com/single-post/110717-feature

I bought in till the straight, white American born men.......... comment. Did they do her wrong? For the most part seems so. Were they in a budget shortfall, no question. Getting rid of her to save salary is a joke excuse, though technically valid. All in all the AD handled the situation poorly, regardless of the situation.

2Bladedskates
11-13-2017, 03:39 PM
I bought in till the straight, white American born men.......... comment. Did they do her wrong? For the most part seems so. Were they in a budget shortfall, no question. Getting rid of her to save salary is a joke excuse, though technically valid. All in all the AD handled the situation poorly, regardless of the situation.

There are always two sides of the story and this obviously comes from Miller's perspective. One thing I do know that the comment about, "too many Canadians" has some truth to it. At the time it was said it was about the entire program and recruiting international players, mostly from Europe. What the administration wanted Miller to do was to recruit more heavily in Minnesota. Something the Gophers have done well (and what Crowell is currently doing). Miller did not want to do this and part of her recruiting budget included a month long trip during the summer to Europe.

Everyone else knows that Miller was a pain, but she did win. The administration just plain botched it IMO.

shelfit
11-13-2017, 03:49 PM
....part of her recruiting budget included a month long trip during the summer to Europe.

Everyone else knows that Miller was a pain, but she did win. The administration just plain botched it IMO.

Who wouldn't enjoy a month in Europe with all your expenses paid for by your employer?!

Your last paragraph sums the whole thing up in a nutshell.

brokentwig
11-13-2017, 04:22 PM
If Duluth is forced to pay a large sum of money the WCHA could be down to 6 teams next year. That is just great for the program and all of women's hockey.

Don't go away mad just go away

KTDC
11-13-2017, 04:22 PM
"Miller’s performance wasn’t even close to decline, Lopiano says."

Do we believe this?

Does anybody think the claim that the non-renewal "was a witch-hunt, carried out by white, straight, American-born men who feel threatened by female success and want to maintain the sexist, homophobic, and nativist status quo at UMD" is undercut by the fact they hired a gay woman to replace her?

KTDC
11-13-2017, 04:24 PM
If Duluth is forced to pay a large sum of money the WCHA could be down to 6 teams next year. That is just great for the program and all of women's hockey.

Don't go away mad just go away

Yes. But I just can't believe she will win. Hopefully it's not my naiveté showing again.

2Bladedskates
11-13-2017, 04:26 PM
If Duluth is forced to pay a large sum of money the WCHA could be down to 6 teams next year. That is just great for the program and all of women's hockey.

Don't go away mad just go away

I do believe Miller will get some money. The unfortunate thing is "Duluth" will not have to pay. Instead it is transfers to taxpayers which ultimately gets passed on to the kids through their tuitions.

pokechecker
11-13-2017, 05:13 PM
One thing I do know that the comment about, "too many Canadians" has some truth to it. .

what I'd like to hear is why Duluth felt it necessary to hire a Canadian hoops and softball coach. Hiring a puck coach back when they did is understandable, but hoops and softball??? there weren't any qualified US coaches?

the other thing is if you are going to do a comparison, then compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. The University of MN has two women's hockey coaches, one at the Twin Cities campus, the other in Duluth, one was paid more despite less performance. Anybody with half a brain knows this won't go on long, eventually they are going to drop the higher paid and less performing coach.

accusing UMD of Cherry picking , that's funny, when evaluating a coach you use what they have done lately, not what they did 10 years ago. It is the plaintiffs that are cherry picking.
My wish is that they settle with her and make it on condition she stays out of MN, even better give her an extra million if she gives up her US citizenship and go back to Saskatoon.

To this day, she is still the only coach to fail to win gold for Canada.

shelfit
11-13-2017, 05:22 PM
To this day, she is still the only coach to fail to win gold for Canada.

Soon to be joined by her former assistant coach.

Puckdrop14
11-13-2017, 05:38 PM
Soon to be joined by her former assistant coach.

She won gold with the U18's in 2014 I believe.

shelfit
11-13-2017, 06:04 PM
She won gold with the U18's in 2014 I believe.

Pretty sure he was referring to Olympic gold.

HockeyEast33
11-13-2017, 06:47 PM
what I'd like to hear is why Duluth felt it necessary to hire a Canadian hoops and softball coach. Hiring a puck coach back when they did is understandable, but hoops and softball??? there weren't any qualified US coaches?.

My bad - I thought Duluth was in Canada......:eek:

ARM
11-13-2017, 06:52 PM
My bad - I thought Duluth was in Canada......:eek:It's not that close, as compared to somewhere like Detroit.

Sean Pickett
11-13-2017, 08:58 PM
I know people may be tired of hearing about this story, but thought some might find this an interesting read.


https://www.zenithcitynews.com/single-post/110717-featureThanks for posting the link. I found the reporting on the financial information to be misleading. While true that the women's program received less than the men's program, it was not 50% on average. UMD's financials for 2010-16 show that on average the women's expenses averaged 76% of the men's expenses, with Athletic Aid averaging 102% of the men's, the head coaches total compensation averaging 80%, assistant's averaging 64%, and all coaches compensation averaging 73%. The yearly expenses fluctuated from a high of 90% of the men's in 2010 to a low of 65% in 2016.

Furthermore, stating that the women's expenses were less than the men's is true at 33 of the 36 schools that sponsor both men's and women's hockey. Of those 36 programs just three averaged higher expenses than their men's programs and UMD had the ninth highest percentage. Dollar-wise, UMD's average expenses from 2010-16 were $1.58 million, ninth highest of all 39 DI women's programs.

If anyone is interested they can take a look at my spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Gmihpb5HmlREhM4rkC8HNrKyrNrPYFQNL31bf74DGDA/edit?usp=sharing) which has the financial information from 2010-16 and comparisons between men's and women's programs.

Sean

ne7minder
11-13-2017, 09:05 PM
Thanks for posting the link. I found the reporting on the financial information to be misleading. While true that the women's program received less than teh men's program, it was not 50% on average. UMD's financials for 2010-16 show that on average the women's expenses averaged 76% of the men's expenses, with Athletic Aid averaging 102% of the men's, the head coaches total compensation averaging 80%, assistant's averaging 64%, and all coaches compensation averaging 73%. The yearly expenses fluctuated from a high of 90% of the men's in 2010 to a low of 65% in 2016.

Furthermore, stating that the women's program's expenses were less than the men's program is true at 33 of the 26 schools that sponsor both men's and women's hockey. Of those 36 programs just three averaged higher expenses than their men's programs and UMD had the ninth highest percentage. Dollar-wise, UMD's average expenses from 2010-16 were $1.58 million, ninth highest of all 39 DI women's programs.

If anyone is interested they can take a look at my spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Gmihpb5HmlREhM4rkC8HNrKyrNrPYFQNL31bf74DGDA/edit?usp=sharing) which has the financial information from 2010-16 and comparisons between men's and women's programs.

Sean

Can we please not let facts get in the way of emotions on this topic?

joecct
11-13-2017, 11:35 PM
Who wouldn't enjoy a month in Europe with all your expenses paid for by your employer?!

Your last paragraph sums the whole thing up in a nutshell.

Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yër ?

See the løveli lakes

The wøndërful telephøne system

And mäni interesting furry animals

---------------

And people wonder why she was sacked?

Timothy A
11-14-2017, 07:11 AM
Thanks for posting.

She complained to higher-uppers about the way she was being treated and nothing was being done about previous complaints. Then they actually decide to finally investigate, and she complains that she didn't want an investigation? Come on. Why didn't she file a lawsuit during her employment over these allegations? Because she was willing to deal with it for $215,000 a year.

They did not fire her, they didn't renew the contract. Whatever the reasoning, flawed or not, they have the right not to renew the deal. To me she is a dead duck based on that alone.

If she was that unhappy with the way she was being dealt with, she could have took another job at another school, but I doubt she would have got the big bucks she had locked up @ UMD.

HockeyEast33
11-14-2017, 10:19 AM
Thanks for posting.

She complained to higher-uppers about the way she was being treated and nothing was being done about previous complaints. Then they actually decide to finally investigate, and she complains that she didn't want an investigation? Come on. Why didn't she file a lawsuit during her employment over these allegations? Because she was willing to deal with it for $215,000 a year.

They did not fire her, they didn't renew the contract. Whatever the reasoning, flawed or not, they have the right not to renew the deal. To me she is a dead duck based on that alone.

If she was that unhappy with the way she was being dealt with, she could have took another job at another school, but I doubt she would have got the big bucks she had locked up @ UMD.

I do agree that the "I complained but didn't want an investigation" thing doesn't hang together - what else was the school supposed to do in the face of such a complaint? That being said, regardless of what you think of Miller, the whole case (three coaches, not just her) does smack of discriminatory practices by UMD - one is an outlier, two's interesting, three's a trend...

I wonder if UMD can bring to bear in this case the fact that no other school was interested in hiring her after her contract ended. She is arguing that she was still at the top (or near the top) of what had been a national championship winning game and now NO D1 school is interested in her when she is available. Certainly that calls into question whether she was still a successful coach....

2Bladedskates
11-14-2017, 10:44 AM
I do agree that the "I complained but didn't want an investigation" thing doesn't hang together - what else was the school supposed to do in the face of such a complaint? That being said, regardless of what you think of Miller, the whole case (three coaches, not just her) does smack of discriminatory practices by UMD - one is an outlier, two's interesting, three's a trend...

I wonder if UMD can bring to bear in this case the fact that no other school was interested in hiring her after her contract ended. She is arguing that she was still at the top (or near the top) of what had been a national championship winning game and now NO D1 school is interested in her when she is available. Certainly that calls into question whether she was still a successful coach....

Although it may appear as "a trend", I am not convinced. Knowing some people who worked alongside Miller she was a royal pain in the A** for years. Very difficult to work with. Banford, the softball coach was not retained on the hockey contract as none of Miller's staff were. In fact, they wanted her back as the softball coach but she declined. Hostile towards her? Maybe? Although people I have spoke with all liked her as a coach and person. The Basketball coach jumped on at the 11th hour. The truth here is that her team hated playing for her and several had threatened to leave the school. Complaints included that she was rarely at practice or frequently late. She had zero relationships with her players.