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alslammerz
10-23-2017, 10:12 PM
1. Clarkson
2. Harvard
3. Cornell
4. Quinnipiac
5. Union
6. Yale
7. RPI
8. Princeton
9. Dartmouth
10. Colgate
11. St. Lawrence
12. Brown

techtodenver
10-23-2017, 11:11 PM
1) Clarkson
2) Quinnipiac
3) Harvard
4) Cornell
5) Princeton
6) Union
7) Yale
8) SLU
9) RPI
10) Colgate
11) Brown
12) Dartmouth

Mike Hutter
10-24-2017, 12:58 AM
1. Harvard
2. Quinnipiac
3. Clarkson
4. Cornell
5. Yale
6. Princeton
7. Brown
8. Union
9. RPI
10. St. Lawrence
11. Dartmouth
12. Colgate

Ralph Baer
10-24-2017, 03:55 AM
Ralph

You posted a picture on one of the threads of the standings board at Houston. There was talk at the time of making that the RPI entry in this contest. I can't find it. If you can, would you post the RPI entry??

All I can recall is that you were in 1st and we were in last.

I posted the original tweet of the men's board http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?120302-RPI-2017-18-Preseason-Thread-To-Dream-the-Impossible-Dream&p=6528326&viewfull=1#post6528326

Lugnut92 himself posted this image http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?120302-RPI-2017-18-Preseason-Thread-To-Dream-the-Impossible-Dream&p=6531130&viewfull=1#post6531130 of the women's board.

joecct
10-24-2017, 06:27 AM
RPI Standings Board
1. RPI
2. Dartmouth
3. SLU
4. QU
5. Colgate
6. Cornell
7. Yale
8. Brown
9. Princeton
10. Harvard
11. Union
12. Clarkson

FlagDUDE08
10-24-2017, 08:29 AM
I guess I should make some picks, then.

1: Quinnipiac. Unless proved otherwise.
2: Hahvahd, so long as Madsen remains healthy.
3: Cornell. They're Cornell.
4: Princeton. My longshot for the year.
5: RPI. Compared to the old guy, the new guy is night and day.
6: CCT. I don't know why people keep getting fooled by October. They'll prove in time they're not back.
7: Ylae*. Pretty much had to fit them in somewhere.
8: SLU. I really just don't see them struggling all season long...
9: Dartmouth. Always a perplexing choice...
10: Brown. Getting better, but still a ways to go.
11: #26 Union. They like to copy Troy, but let's just say it's not for the good this time around.
12: Colgate. New barn, but not that new of a product on the ice.

FlagDUDE08
10-24-2017, 08:33 AM
No surprise, RPI's the first to receive both a first and last place vote. Pretty much an every year occurrence.

CCT in second this time.

UFan
10-24-2017, 08:58 AM
1. Quinnipiac
2. Harvard
3. Cornell
4. Union
5. Clarkson
6. St. Lawrence
7. Princeton
8. Colgate
9. RPI
10. Yale
11. Dartmouth
12. Brown

lugnut92
10-24-2017, 10:31 AM
Here are the statistics through ~1 day of entries (not including the Random Number and Mr. Last Year; n=20):

Team | Mean±SD | Median(Range) |
-----------------------------------------
Harvard | 1.90±2.00 | 1 ( 1-10) |
Quinnipiac | 2.60±1.05 | 2.5 ( 1- 4) |
Cornell | 3.70±1.13 | 4 ( 2- 6) |
Clarkson | 3.75±2.55 | 3 ( 1-12) |
Princeton | 6.05±2.21 | 5 ( 3-12) |
Yale | 6.85±1.31 | 7 ( 5-10) |
Union | 7.00±2.00 | 6.5 ( 4-11) |
RPI | 7.50±3.05 | 8.5 ( 1-12) |
SLU | 8.40±1.96 | 8.5 ( 3-11) |
Dartmouth | 9.25±2.40 | 9 ( 2-12) |
Colgate | 10.25±1.80 | 11 ( 5-12) |
Brown | 10.85±1.42 | 11 ( 7-12) |

Section5forLife
10-24-2017, 10:46 AM
1. Harvard
2. Qunnipiac
3. Union
4. Clarkson
5. RPI
6. Princeton
7. Cornell
8. Colgate
9. Yale
10. Brown
11. Dartmouth
12. St. Lawrence

Turk
10-24-2017, 11:21 AM
1. Quinnipiac
2. Harvard
3. Clarkson
4. Cornell
5. Princeton
6. RPI
7. Yale
8. Union
9. Dartmouth
10. Colgate
11. St. Lawrence
12. Brown

cudmud
10-24-2017, 01:08 PM
1. Quinnipiac
2. Harvard
3. Cornell
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. RPI
7. Union
8. Clarkson
9. Colgate
10. SLU
11. Dartmouth
12. Brown

Rainman
10-24-2017, 01:30 PM
Thanks lugnut for keeping score this year! I'm running the ECAC Pick'em (http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?120524-ECAC-Pick-em-Week-1) contest if any of you want to enter :)

1. Harvard
2. Quinnipiac
3. Clarkson
4. Cornell
5. Princeton
6. Yale
7. Union
8. Colgate
9. St. Lawrence
10. Dartmouth
11. RPI
12. Brown

Saints#1
10-24-2017, 02:51 PM
1. Harvard
2. Quinnipiac
3. Clarkson
4. Cornell
5. Princeton
6. St. Lawrence
7. Yale
8. Union
9. RPI
10. Colgate
11. Dartmouth
12. Brown

Ralph Baer
10-24-2017, 03:29 PM
I'm changing things ever so slightly with how scores will appear, though the mechanics are the same in the end. Rather than a simple square of the distance between your prediction and the actual standings, I'm going to report the Spearman's rank correlation coefficient (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spearman%27s_rank_correlation_coefficient) between each participant's predictions and the real standings. This change is just because I am difficult (and if people really complain, I can report both metrics). In the end, all scores will range between 1 and -1 (rather than between 0 and 572), and the CLOSEST TO 1 WINS. You have until the puck drops on the first ECAC contests (RPI at Union/Brown at Yale; Friday, 27 October at 7 PM EDT) to get your picks in.

Tie breakers are:

Pick correctly the ECACHL Regular Season Champ.
Have the most teams in the correct order of finish.
Have the most top 6 teams in the correct order of finish.
I will flip a coin.


I had not heard of Spearman's rank correlation coefficient, and I just checked it isn't mentioned either in the book which we used when I took a Prob and Stat course as a senior or in the book which I used when I taught an Intro Stat course one summer when I was a grad TA. It probably wasn't invented yet. :)

Anyway, the Wikipedia page which you linked mentioned that it should not be used if there are ties and you went to great length to eliminate ties. What terrible things would occur if one just used an average value, or would a weighted average in some position-dependent manner need to be used in order that a number outside of -1 to 1 do not occur?

lugnut92
10-24-2017, 03:41 PM
Anyway, the Wikipedia page which you linked mentioned that it should not be used if there are ties and you went to great length to eliminate ties. What terrible things would occur if one just used an average value, or would a weighted average in some position-dependent manner need to be used in order that a number outside of -1 to 1 do not occur?

The tiebreakers listed are for ties between contestants, not for the data actually being compared. Luckily the ECAC provides a list of tiebreakers for that situation (though some of those tiebreakers are questionable). I don't think you would find anything horrifically wrong about using an average value (e.g., 6.5 for two teams tied for 6th), it just wouldn't be a true correlation coefficient. Further, you could use the (slightly more complicated) formula listed above the formula I'm using if there were ties.

Ralph Baer
10-24-2017, 04:18 PM
The tiebreakers listed are for ties between contestants, not for the data actually being compared. Luckily the ECAC provides a list of tiebreakers for that situation (though some of those tiebreakers are questionable). I don't think you would find anything horrifically wrong about using an average value (e.g., 6.5 for two teams tied for 6th), it just wouldn't be a true correlation coefficient. Further, you could use the (slightly more complicated) formula listed above the formula I'm using if there were ties.

Yes, that was my error. Anyway, thanks for the explanation.

lugnut92
10-25-2017, 10:44 AM
Here are the statistics through 2 days of entries (not including the Random Number and Mr. Last Year; n=25):

Team | Mean±SD | Median(Range) |
-----------------------------------------
Harvard | 1.80±1.80 | 1 ( 1-10) |
Quinnipiac | 2.40±1.04 | 2 ( 1- 4) |
Clarkson | 3.84±2.44 | 3 ( 1-12) |
Cornell | 3.84±1.21 | 4 ( 2- 7) |
Princeton | 5.88±2.01 | 5 ( 3-12) |
Yale | 6.80±1.38 | 7 ( 4-10) |
Union | 6.92±1.98 | 7 ( 3-11) |
RPI | 7.48±2.90 | 8 ( 1-12) |
SLU | 8.64±2.04 | 9 ( 3-12) |
Dartmouth | 9.48±2.22 | 10 ( 2-12) |
Colgate | 10.00±1.73 | 10 ( 5-12) |
Brown | 11.00±1.35 | 12 ( 7-12) |

Entries slowed down quite a bit yesterday, so I guess it's time to spam the team threads again.

drshoen
10-25-2017, 10:49 AM
Lugnut, thanks for picking this up; it's much appreciated!

1. Harvard
2. Quinnipiac
3. Clarkson
4. Cornell
5. Princeton
6. Yale
7. RPI
8. St. Lawrence
9. Dartmouth
10. Union
11. Brown
12. Colgate

Dutchman
10-25-2017, 11:48 AM
1. Harvard
2. Quinnipiac
3. Cornell
4. Princeton
5. Clarkson
6. Yale
7. Union
8. RPI
9. St. Lawrence
10. Colgate
11. Brown
12. Dartmouth