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Wicked Slappaahs
03-13-2017, 11:07 PM
I just donít see why Oates would leave what heís doing now to hop back on bus rides & recruiting trips. Heís got his analyst gig on TSN Hockey Night in Canada plus his very lucrative services to over 90 NHLers but........maybe Iím wrong <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On another opening (RPI), getting the feeling from a lot of people that there is a camp that wants Barr &amp; a camp that wants Oates.</p>&mdash; Mike McMahon (@MikeMcMahonCHN) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeMcMahonCHN/status/841378819521052672">March 13, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Agree 100%. Add that he's never recruited a single kid to play college hockey , I'd bring him in to teach my guys face offs, but not to be my HC.

Wicked Slappaahs
03-13-2017, 11:13 PM
Being a good recruiter is not a sure bet that you can coach. Everyone said Appert was a good recruiter, based on his work with Denver. Shouldn't RPI look for someone who has HC experience? Appert had never been a HC before and that seems to be the biggest problem area. Montgomery appears to be a HC that not only knew how to recruit but knows how to coach. AC are the real recruiters not the HC. This program needs a HC that knows how to handle players of today. Coach the way the game is played today. Skating, passing, playmaking. The AD needs to look for a proven HC at the Junior level that wants a college job. Dan Muse is a guy that has recruiting experience and HC experience. Muse is just one example. There are others out there.

Union radio aired a canned interview with Bennett between periods of game one and they discussed our vacancy and Benny B. Bennett commented not only on BB's recruiting skills, but also for his " feel for the game as a coach." I have no idea who we'll hire, but BB is undoubtedly on the short list - as it should be.

Wicked Slappaahs
03-13-2017, 11:34 PM
Harvard, Yale and Cornell seem to be managing much better even with very high academic standards - and a new coach in Princeton is even beginning to turn the program around there!!! Also their facilities are not appreciably superior.

Every youth, high school, midget, prep and junior hockey player in the northeast knows who Ben Barr is because he is very visible at all of the rinks, games, camps, tournaments, etc.......and he makes sure he knows them too! And he also knows the family advisors - which are a huge part of recruiting these days!

Agree 100% re: Benny B. I believe his Mrs is from the CD, so I'm hoping this will sway him ... ha.

Also, I'm not sure I'd lump Cornell in with the other Ivies regarding their admissions. Most of their hockey players enroll in the ag / life sciences school -which is a SUNY affiliate school under the Cornell umbrella. I'm not saying it's easier studies by any stretch, but they have shall we say, a "warm relationship" with the Ag/LS admissions folks. 😜

Wicked Slappaahs
03-13-2017, 11:37 PM
still love Bella Napoli when i get back north and loved Verdile's!!!

Doc - as I've said before, the first round of gimlets is on me at Verdiles! I understand the Bella Napoli affection, but Villa Italia puts them to shame, just sayin!!

rpi82
03-14-2017, 12:19 AM
Agree 100% re: Benny B. I believe his Mrs is from the CD, so I'm hoping this will sway him ... ha.

Also, I'm not sure I'd lump Cornell in with the other Ivies regarding their admissions. Most of their hockey players enroll in the ag / life sciences school -which is a SUNY affiliate school under the Cornell umbrella. I'm not saying it's easier studies by any stretch, but they have shall we say, a "warm relationship" with the Ag/LS admissions folks. 😜

That was where they stashed the hockey players when I went to grad school in Ithaca. I remember taking an exam in one of their classrooms and saw group assignments from the previous class that had about 75% of the hockey team. However, they might not have as much leeway as in the past given its SUNY tuition status and some popular programs have made it much, much harder to gain admittance (I've seen kids with top grades from wealthy families getting deferred by the Ag School). The movement of the undergrad business program into the newly created College of Business may also change admissions dynamics for Schafer. Nevertheless, Cornell has traditionally found a way to get top targets in. I don't know how they'll do it in the future, but I expect that will continue.

giwan
03-14-2017, 12:25 AM
Just remember-there is also a huge difference in recruiting a kid to Denver than there is to RPI. Not saying DU isn't a good school, but it's also not RPI. In addition, when a kid sees hockey factories consistently on the schedule it's going to weigh a little heavier on their minds, than just a guess if an ECAC team is going to be good. There's a lot more to it other than getting a kid through admissions. Already, RPI is at a disadvantage. Just because a kid is free on the northeast, doesn't always mean he'll stay there to play hockey.

You don't recruit the kid that wants DU

giwan
03-14-2017, 12:28 AM
You are aware they spent money recently on interior spruce up - new scoreboard , Shirley's sky box, redoing the front entry opening up the long covered glass facade,etc. ?? The last frontier would be the Zamboni end of the ice ...but I'm unaware of any immediate plans. I believe I recall that when MacElroy was hired it was stated that fundraising was underway for more HFH work...but Ive heard nothing of this since then.
Oh I'm aware, not sure that matters to a recruit

Ralph Baer
03-14-2017, 12:50 AM
Today is 14 March 2017. There are 201 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 1 October 2017 for the start of next season.

Ralph Baer
03-14-2017, 12:51 AM
Agree 100%. Add that he's never recruited a single kid to play college hockey , I'd bring him in to teach my guys face offs, but not to be my HC.

I agree. Oates just does not seem to be the head college coach type.

FlagDUDE08
03-14-2017, 05:31 AM
Quick research --Current /Former ECAC coaches who are/were first time HC's:
Greg Carvel - SLU (now UMass)
Mike Shafer - Cornell
Nate Leaman -Union (now PC)
Rick Bennett - Union
Ted Donato - Harvard
Don Vaughn- Colgate
Casey Jones -CCT
Rand Pecknold - Q

Past success does not guarantee future results, as the lawyer commercials say.

RegalFan
03-14-2017, 08:02 AM
Curious is there any talk of spending on the field house? Long term plan?

I've heard that the AD has told the players that the school is spending $22 million on field house upgrades over the next 2 years. Supposedly the Zamboni end will mirror the entrance with boxes and additional offices The seating bowl will be updgraded with new seats and there will be upgrades to player facilities, such as their own gym and a shooting machine.

ServinisScores
03-14-2017, 08:26 AM
Record article about the future of RPI hockey http://www.troyrecord.com/opinion/20170313/behind-the-lines-coaching-change-not-enough-to-revive-rpi-hockey.

that wasn't an article about RPI or it's hockey program, it was a thinly veiled soliloquy for the ex-coach, who was more interested in PR than doing the job he was hired for.

Best part of the article was where they combined his record w/ Fridgen's and still couldn't reach .500.

Can we be done with this used car salesman?

son-of-alumn
03-14-2017, 08:42 AM
Agree 100% re: Benny B. I believe his Mrs is from the CD, so I'm hoping this will sway him ... ha.

Also, I'm not sure I'd lump Cornell in with the other Ivies regarding their admissions. Most of their hockey players enroll in the ag / life sciences school -which is a SUNY affiliate school under the Cornell umbrella. I'm not saying it's easier studies by any stretch, but they have shall we say, a "warm relationship" with the Ag/LS admissions folks. 😜


Was told that the Ivies developed their own formula in recent years and agreed on admission standards for athletes, specifically to limit Cornell's advantage. Still strong academically though.

giwan
03-14-2017, 09:13 AM
that wasn't an article about RPI or it's hockey program, it was a thinly veiled soliloquy for the ex-coach, who was more interested in PR than doing the job he was hired for.

Best part of the article was where they combined his record w/ Fridgen's and still couldn't reach .500.

Can we be done with this used car salesman?

Glad I wasn't the only one to see it that way

johnk
03-14-2017, 09:18 AM
Record article about the future of RPI hockey http://www.troyrecord.com/opinion/20170313/behind-the-lines-coaching-change-not-enough-to-revive-rpi-hockey.

Article is an epic fail in so many ways, outside of Appert's personal attributes. So are many of the comments on this board. Excuses = Losers. With all that I am reading, why doesn't poor little RPI just move to Division III.

jericho
03-14-2017, 09:41 AM
You don't recruit the kid that wants DU

Which is my point.

TBone
03-14-2017, 10:05 AM
I've heard that the AD has told the players that the school is spending $22 million on field house upgrades over the next 2 years. Supposedly the Zamboni end will mirror the entrance with boxes and additional offices The seating bowl will be updgraded with new seats and there will be upgrades to player facilities, such as their own gym and a shooting machine.I'm no expert but you would think they would invest heavily in a few "scoring" machines. :D

Ralph Baer
03-14-2017, 10:18 AM
I'm no expert but you would think they would invest heavily in a few "scoring" machines. :D

You're back! :eek:

TBone
03-14-2017, 10:24 AM
:) Just changed to lurker status mostly; like many.

engineerhockeyfan
03-14-2017, 10:52 AM
Whoever we get, is going to have to sell himself in bringing in recruits. He can't point to the hockey program, because the last two coaches made that impossible. You can't sell a national championship when it is over thirty years in the rear view mirror.
We need a recognizable name that can attract young players. And outside of Oates and Juneau, the program doesn't have someone who will attract that kind of attention. I don't think that either of those guys would be interested.
Lets hope that whoever is doing the scouting for the new coach knows what to look for.