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GBBadger14
03-04-2017, 05:49 PM
I don't believe we own the tiebreaker over MN. We have more losses overall than the goofs which is the tiebreaker right before record against next highest rated conference opponent, which is likely to end up PSU, which we also don't win. It's technically possible that could end up as OSU and UW could possibly win there, but that's a long shot plus the goofs would still need one more loss than us. In which case we wouldn't be tied, we'd be ahead.

Tiebreakers go 1) Big Ten wins, 2) Head to head, 3) Head to head goal differential.

UW outscored Minnesota 13-12 through the 4 games. Therefore, UW owns the tiebreaker.

Big Ten Tiebreaking scenarios: <a href="http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/110514aae.html">LINK</a>

Wisko McBadgerton
03-04-2017, 06:31 PM
Tiebreakers go 1) Big Ten wins, 2) Head to head, 3) Head to head goal differential.

UW outscored Minnesota 13-12 through the 4 games. Therefore, UW owns the tiebreaker.

Big Ten Tiebreaking scenarios: <a href="http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/110514aae.html">LINK</a>

Well sure... if you're just going to use the internet to look up the answer... I mean, I can't compete with that!

Wisko McBadgerton
03-04-2017, 06:41 PM
Tiebreakers go 1) Big Ten wins, 2) Head to head, 3) Head to head goal differential.

UW outscored Minnesota 13-12 through the 4 games. Therefore, UW owns the tiebreaker.

Big Ten Tiebreaking scenarios: <a href="http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/110514aae.html">LINK</a>

Oops. Hold on.
Here's the link to the 2017 Page. (http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/121216aad.html)

I think your link is to the 2015 page. It's actually as I said, fewest losses is the next tie breaker. This internet stuff is nifty!

GBBadger14
03-04-2017, 07:10 PM
Oops. Hold on.
Here's the link to the 2017 Page. (http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/121216aad.html)

I think your link is to the 2015 page. It's actually as I said, fewest losses is the next tie breaker. This internet stuff is nifty!

Whoops, good catch. I just assumed it hadn't changed.

Wisko McBadgerton
03-04-2017, 07:39 PM
Whoops, good catch. I just assumed it hadn't changed.

I think we're all just glad that all the Badger fans here won't have to try to live life with PTSD after finding out I was wrong about something.

Whew!

Wisko McBadgerton
03-04-2017, 07:58 PM
Yikes, no Tischke in the line up. Malone was a maybe but is going to go. Peter is the real anchor of the D, boys are going to need to step up tonight.

The Hallucination
03-04-2017, 08:08 PM
Oh good, now we're at a bar and I'm ANGRY THAT BASKETBALL EXISTS.

Is everyone seeing OT bouncy ball on ASN or is it just this satellite channel?

UWisco
03-04-2017, 08:17 PM
Oh good, now we're at a bar and I'm ANGRY THAT BASKETBALL EXISTS.

Is everyone seeing OT bouncy ball on ASN or is it just this satellite channel?

It's on now.

The Hallucination
03-04-2017, 08:19 PM
Yup

IndianaBadger1995
03-04-2017, 10:14 PM
Oops. Hold on.
Here's the link to the 2017 Page. (http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/121216aad.html)

I think your link is to the 2015 page. It's actually as I said, fewest losses is the next tie breaker. This internet stuff is nifty!

Darn. I stand corrected.

Looks like an ugly one tonight.

UWisco
03-04-2017, 10:31 PM
At least we managed to grab one win. Better come out hard vs Ohio State next weekend.

I don't know about any of you, but PSU is by far my least favorite Big Ten team.

Wisko McBadgerton
03-04-2017, 11:10 PM
I think when Bunz whacked that one in you could tell it wasn't going to be our night. I thought the boys actually played better in the first tonight, but sometimes it just won't get in the net. Missed Tischke out there, it really stood out to me because on the rushes Peter is such a good skater he can close the F's off early and take them to the wall. The other guys, and really most college D, have to keep a gap space so they don't get beat to the post and it gives a lot more time and space for plays to develop.

I wouldn't worry about the score, other than that the top line with the big boys was shutdown this weekend, I think the Badgers will be just fine come Friday night. All in all, great to get some must have points on the road.

The Hallucination
03-05-2017, 09:11 AM
That was not a fun game to watch, but a split on the weekend is adequate. I very much want to see them take care of business against OSU now, though, and do as much for themselves as they can before the conference tournaments. Running into Penn State on a good night for them at the big ten tourney worries me.

MadCityRich
03-05-2017, 01:08 PM
At least we managed to grab one win. Better come out hard vs Ohio State next weekend.

I don't know about any of you, but PSU is by far my least favorite Big Ten team.

Me too. I can handle all the other teams & fans; not just the Big Ten, but ALL of them. (Notre Dame is on hold for now.) Just something about Ped State. Oh, I know what it is. :mad:

I agree with everybody, wasn't our night, Tisch out, forget the score. File it. Reset. Ohio State.

KaMiGo
03-07-2017, 09:55 AM
After a couple of very close games that ended up in a split, here is where we are:
18-11-1
We continue to climb, now up to 238 votes, good for 16th place in the poll
RPI jumps up to 13
PWR also climbs to 13
Team O, 3.74 - 7th
Team D, 3.23 - 45th
PP, 35/156 22.44% - 9th
PK, 113/130 86.9% - 5th


I don't know that I have ever seen a more lopsided weekend. Take the good pieces from Friday and bury the tape from Saturday, I'm not sure what good can come from that one.

But still, we hold true to the "split on the road" portion of the formula for success and it was against a higher ranked team, so I'll take it. Now we just need to take care of the "sweep at home" end of things.

19-12-1
We continue to climb in votes received, now up to 282 votes, which is still good for 16th place in the poll
RPI holds steady at 13
PWR also holds at 13 (tied with Notre Dame)
Team O, 3.66 - 7th
Team D, 3.34 - 49th
PP, 35/158 22.15% - 9th
PK, 117/137 85.4% - 12th

For the last weekend of the regular season we get to see Ohio State at the Kohl Center.
19-12-1
291 votes, 15th
RPI - 17th
PWR - 17th
Team O, 4.00 - 3rd
Team D, 3.03 - 37th
PP, 44/138 31.88% - 1st
PK, 102/140 72.9% - 58th

Both teams are in the dangerous bubble territory going into the last weekend of the season before the B1G tournament. A sweep by either team could lock up their post-season hopes, while getting swept would leave either team playing for the tournament champion auto-bid. It looks like Wisconsin's range with a sweep would be 9 - 14, OSU with a sweep would be 11-15.

Ohio Sate has 4 players who are averaging better than a point per game in conference play, let by Mason Jobst who has 11-19-30 in 18; that is good for 2nd in the league in total points.

The numbers are all over the place in this match-up. Both teams can score, both struggle to keep the other team from scoring. Both teams excel on the power play (if you look at just conference games, OSU is converting at an amazing 39.71%).

The one saving point may be the PK. Wisconsin is far ahead of OSU in both overall PK (85.4% to 72.9%) and conference play (81.5% to 71.2%).

It should be a fun weekend, I'll be there (like always). You get the combination of Sr. Weekend as well as a visit from the 1977 NCAA champs.

gwhinwi
03-07-2017, 10:06 AM
A sweep this weekend would really go a long way to help lock in the PWR that the Badgers need to get into the tournament.

Getting both wins would move us to 11th, going 1-1 would drop us to 14th.

Wisko McBadgerton
03-07-2017, 11:13 AM
Both Merrimack and NMU dropped their playoff game 3's Sunday which both hurt our RPI a touch. And in the PWR current form, it's pretty much only RPI that matters except in odd circumstances.

We could be in an odd situation that who we play in the first Tourney game could determine whether or not we have to win it to get a bid. Losing to the Michigans for example could be a killer, but losing to PSU might not change things if we're under the bubble.

In any case, Bucky has to just win games. Which is fair enough. If you can't win games now, you probably don't deserve a bid.

KaMiGo
03-07-2017, 11:53 AM
Another interesting point to keep an eye on is early scoring, what a shock :eek:

OSU has had 17 games where they led after 1, they are 13-2-2; but then when leading after 2 they are only 6-2-2. When they are trailing after 1 they are 1-6-3 and after 2 are 5-4-2.
Wisconsin has not lost when leading after 1, with a mark of 9-0-0 and when leading after 2 are 12-4-1. When trailing after 1 they are 6-11-1 and after 2 are 3-7-0.

Score early, score often...I feel like I've typed that before.

ChrisTheTurk
03-07-2017, 01:34 PM
Another interesting point to keep an eye on is early scoring, what a shock :eek:

OSU has had 17 games where they led after 1, they are 13-2-2; but then when leading after 2 they are only 6-2-2. When they are trailing after 1 they are 1-6-3 and after 2 are 5-4-2.
Wisconsin has not lost when leading after 1, with a mark of 9-0-0 and when leading after 2 are 12-4-1. When trailing after 1 they are 6-11-1 and after 2 are 3-7-0.

Score early, score often...I feel like I've typed that before.

It appears more specifically that our magic number is 2. When the Badgers give up 2+ goals in the 1st, their chance to win drops drastically:

* When giving up zero or one goal in the first, the Badgers are 15-3 (.833)

* When giving up 2+ goals in the first, they are only 4-9-1 (.321). They are 0-5 in games they are down 0-2.

BuB
03-07-2017, 01:41 PM
It appears more specifically that our magic number is 2. When the Badgers give up 2+ goals in the 1st, their chance to win drops drastically:

* When giving up zero or one goal in the first, the Badgers are 15-3 (.833)

* When giving up 2+ goals in the first, they are only 4-9-1 (.321). They are 0-5 in games they are down 0-2.

Those are significant numbers....thanks. I think that these bear out when you consider how well (typically) UW has played in the 2nd period this season. If you are playing well from a one goal deficit or tied after a period you will probably win. If you are playing well when already down by 2+, it might already be too late.