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KaMiGo
10-27-2017, 05:26 PM
My guide on DirecTV shows Clarkson and Minnesota on Fsn-wi tonight. I really hope that is an error in the guide.

Fox Sports website also shows Clarkson at Minny.
https://www.foxsportsgo.com/program/278656/college-hockey-clarkson-at-minnesota

But you could be able to get the game on BTN2Go
https://www.btn2go.com/game/st-lawrence-at-wisconsin-on-10272017

KaMiGo
10-27-2017, 06:12 PM
Fox Sports website also shows Clarkson at Minny.
https://www.foxsportsgo.com/program/278656/college-hockey-clarkson-at-minnesota

But you could be able to get the game on BTN2Go
https://www.btn2go.com/game/st-lawrence-at-wisconsin-on-10272017

Badger Hockey twitter confirms game will be on FSN
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We&#39;ve talked to the local <a href="https://twitter.com/fswisconsin?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fswisconsin</a> guys on site, who said they would pass along the message that it is listing the wrong game. <a href="https://t.co/dxT2bjNdAX">https://t.co/dxT2bjNdAX</a></p>&mdash; Wisconsin Hockey (@BadgerMHockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey/status/924031813055598592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Wisko McBadgerton
10-27-2017, 06:31 PM
Scratch Weissbach tonight. Matthew Freytag in with Ford and J. Dhooghe.

MadCityRich
10-27-2017, 07:55 PM
My guide on DirecTV shows Clarkson and Minnesota on Fsn-wi tonight. I really hope that is an error in the guide.

It better be. I set the DVR this afternoon thinking it was a mistake. Who on FOX WISCONSIN wants to watch the Goofs when Wisconsin should be on FOX WI?

Gurtholfin
10-27-2017, 08:05 PM
Good start to the broadcast.

They put "Adam Burish" under Winchester.

Then they go down to Briphy (?) and the audio doesn't work.

Of course I'm just happy it's on.

Gurtholfin
10-27-2017, 08:15 PM
Holy crap. There were more people at some of my kid's high school games last year.

No exaggeration.

MadCityRich
10-27-2017, 08:27 PM
Holy crap. There were more people at some of my kid's high school games last year.

No exaggeration.

No schitt....nobody here. Getting depressing.

GBBadger14
10-27-2017, 08:32 PM
No schitt....nobody here. Getting depressing.

The production value of this broadcast is equally impressive.

MadCityRich
10-27-2017, 08:35 PM
No schitt....nobody here. Getting depressing.

MCR Jr texted me and said there's nobody at Marriucci either. Man, this ****in' place is quiet and boring.

Edit: Pretty much what we expected tonight, but maybe a few more goals. Probably the worst turnover I've ever seen on SLU's first goal.

I know it's still early, but I'm beginning to realize how wrong I may have been when I thought the attendance would return this fall. I honestly think actual "butts in the seats" is below last year. Disturbing.

Gurtholfin
10-27-2017, 11:11 PM
Attendance is definitely worse which is why some of us were sounding the alarm so loudly in the past few years.

Of course the apologists didn't want to hear it.

Well here we are. Number 5 in the nation and maybe 2000 people there.

Eaves quit trying for the last 5 years or so and Barry couldn't be bothered until the damage was irreversible.

It will never again be what it was.


In other news, not pretty, but a win is a win.

Gurtholfin
10-27-2017, 11:16 PM
I'm going next Friday and I won't be surprised if we are outnumbered by the northern mouth breathers.

WiscDC
10-27-2017, 11:24 PM
MCR Jr texted me and said there's nobody at Marriucci either. Man, this ****in' place is quiet and boring.

Edit: Pretty much what we expected tonight, but maybe a few more goals. Probably the worst turnover I've ever seen on SLU's first goal.

I know it's still early, but I'm beginning to realize how wrong I may have been when I thought the attendance would return this fall. I honestly think actual "butts in the seats" is below last year. Disturbing.

Yup, it's not like Maple Leafs fans waiting for the team to get good to get back into it. You have to be really plugged in to UW athletics to know anything about UW hockey, but it's the large presense of casual fans on top of the diehards that makes a sport a "major" sport. It's also what makes people actually compelled by the whole "Hayton and #5 Badgers against his former team" thing. And of course, new fans are seeing a bunch of games where this OSU-type of crowd looks normal, so that's what "Wisconsin Badgers Hockey" and "NCAA D-I hockey" are.

That's why I was so disappointed when they released the schedule to see so many home games in the early part of the season.

As for students, it's mostly the select few who are into hockey enough to seek it out. It's very rare these days for a student to just get sucked into it, unless they have a close friend obsessed with college hockey. Even back in my day (yes, that is a silly phrase for me to say on this board) students who weren't big UW hockey fans knew it was a big deal and had next-level energy. It had a presense. Now, students who become college hockey fans do it in spite of UW, because they won't get the perception that it's a big deal, the way new and prospective students get "omg you have to go to a football game" every step they take.

Just look at the @UWMadison twitter feed, and look for sports related stuff. Hockey does not exist to them. That's similar to what people get on campus. Consequently, seeing #5 Badgers beating somebody on the Badger Rewind at other games triggers about the same reaction as people who may be happy to see, for example, one of the soccer teams doing well, despite not really following that team. Of course, there are many who wear their hockey jerseys to everything to help put a little bit. It makes me smile when I see those, especially the newer jerseys. It gives me some hope.

When the team was #3 preseason in 2013-14 and attendance continued to fall off a cliff - and nobody more than a block from the Kohl Center seemed to care - I was worried it was going to die, because the team wasn't really promoted very much, and the fan base was deteriorating despite on-ice success, which is absolutely insane. The size of the task of building a culture of fandom on campus and in the Madison area became so large.

So yeah. It'll probably take a Frozen Four run in addition to intense promotion to see 10K+ crowds for opponents like St Lawrence and/or for fall games. As I said before, compelling storylines to us (like this weekend) don't mean anything to people who aren't already big fans.

Gurtholfin
10-27-2017, 11:36 PM
That's a nice post and I appreciate you, but even the "BIG" fans no longer care enough to show up.

There used to be 9000 BIG fans. You couldn't get into the Coliseum when I first moved to Madison.

10K at the Kohl was a sparse crowd circa 2007.


It's likely gone for good as we knew it.

People (including me) found other things to do, be a part of and be interested in.

GBBadger14
10-28-2017, 12:06 AM
On a more positive note (not that I disagree with anything that was said), Ryan Wagner made Sportcenter with his goal tonight...

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On Wisconsin! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CawlidgeHawkey?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CawlidgeHawkey</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BadgerMHockey</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyGranato?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyGranato</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Osiecki24?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Osiecki24</a> <a href="https://t.co/qe19spUp5G">pic.twitter.com/qe19spUp5G</a></p>&mdash; David Roberts (@GBDavid9) <a href="https://twitter.com/GBDavid9/status/924123374795702272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

bucky15
10-28-2017, 09:48 AM
The interest for me started to drop for college hockey when the conferences changed. I still miss the old wcha. I am fully aware it is long gone. The 6 team conference was boring and on top of that they stunk for a few years. Gopher games even stopped becoming interesting to me when the switch to th B1G happened. With NDame coming along helps a little.

This team is fun to watch and is getting my interest back. Hockey is an after thought to most in the area. That doesn't bother me a bit it doesn't change how much fun this game is to play and watch. People at my work say it is too fast and the rules are difficult. This puts a smile on my face and I say have fun watching basketball.

Wisko McBadgerton
10-28-2017, 10:17 AM
I have to say the line of Hughes - Frederic - Mayor of Dangle City has looked really, really good in the last two outings. Could turn into something special this year.

Bit of a funny game last night. If all players were burying chances at open nets, score should have been something like 8-4 or 9-5. Boys played hard and were really dominant in getting the puck, but it was pretty sloppy, and a little better performance from the Saints could have changed the game. I thought Hayton wasn't really sharp on his lines or on getting eyeballs on the puck at times either, not that I fault him on the first goal. That was just a terrible lapse by Inamoto.

I'm guessing St Lawrence will try to make some adjustments on the angles their D were taking because Badgers were just blowing by them with the extra room on the ice all night. Expect the Badgers to clean up their play, and also bear down and put the puck in the net on their chances.

On attendance it's not all bad news. Averaging a little over 8400 tickets sold (even though nobody is apparently sitting in the seats) for these 4 early games, which is about as good as sales have been in about 6 years for October games. That would indicate a not insignificant uptick in season tickets sold over the last couple of years at least. Next week will probably be a better indicator although I don't expect spectacular numbers, 20-22k for the weekend would probably be really good this early.

bucky15
10-28-2017, 10:35 AM
I have to say the line of Hughes - Frederic - Mayor of Dangle City has looked really, really good in the last two outings. Could turn into something special this year.

Bit of a funny game last night. If all players were burying chances at open nets, score should have been something like 8-4 or 9-5. Boys played hard and were really dominant in getting the puck, but it was pretty sloppy, and a little better performance from the Saints could have changed the game. I thought Hayton wasn't really sharp on his lines or on getting eyeballs on the puck at times either, not that I fault him on the first goal. That was just a terrible lapse by Inamoto.

I'm guessing St Lawrence will try to make some adjustments on the angles their D were taking because Badgers were just blowing by them with the extra room on the ice all night. Expect the Badgers to clean up their play, and also bear down and put the puck in the net on their chances.

On attendance it's not all bad news. Averaging a little over 8400 tickets sold (even though nobody is apparently sitting in the seats) for these 4 early games, which is about as good as sales have been in about 6 years for October games. That would indicate a not insignificant uptick in season tickets sold over the last couple of years at least. Next week will probably be a better indicator although I don't expect spectacular numbers, 20-22k for the weekend would probably be really good this early.

I'm curious of your thoughts on the Dhoogue (spelling?) brothers? I'm not that impressed so far this year. I have only watched 4 games though.

Wisko McBadgerton
10-28-2017, 11:17 AM
I'm curious of your thoughts on the Dhoogue (spelling?) brothers? I'm not that impressed so far this year. I have only watched 4 games though.

I've watched all the games, and I think Jason Dhooghe is in the right role. He's a good skater and is a ball of energy out there. Is he better than Labosky in that role? I don't know, it's close and he's probably a little better on his skates, Labosky seems to see the ice pretty well and it feels like either of them could do something good at any given time. Jason might be better with the puck, but we haven't seen him that much to really make a good call. I think he's doing fine though.

With Sean -- I would love to see him succeed as much as anyone as I'm a huge fan of the under dog. But so far I just don't see it. He does some good things, I think he positions well and sees the ice ok, but he has to be a guy that produces chances for himself or his linemates. So far I think he's way too easy to knock off the puck, and I think he loses way too many 50/50 pucks to not be a liability. Individually at times he flashes his speed, and he has the right instincts to create something, but he's just getting overwhelmed. One thing about the Mayor of Dangle City is that even as a freshman and a small guy, he was incredibly strong on his stick and could protect. I don't see that at all from Sean and it's not because he isn't a physically a strong kid.

To me he's playing like a much smaller Zimmer. A guy with a lot of skills that still hasn't figured out how to use them to his advantage at this level. Zimms and Dhooge should have been blowing by Saints like you saw Hughes and Malone and Johnson and TMoDC do a ton of times last night, but they just weren't. That line wasn't good considering the competition, and I actually thought Ustaski was pretty good last night. He just was doing a lot of it by himself.

I'm not in practice so I don't see what the coaches see, but based on games, I'd probably give Sean a night off, move Ford up and see what Zirbel can do for us. In my mind, at some point your play and production has to justify the spot and ice time your getting.

solovsfett
10-28-2017, 10:52 PM
Not good. SLU is a team who UW needs to destroy.

While I'm at it I'm going to say it... I'm not seeing the same hayton that others have. Seems like a good goalie not a great goalie.
Also not impressed with the dhoogie kids but enough with the negativity.

Baker is going to be a **** good player and the team is generally headed in the right direction.

WiscDC
10-28-2017, 11:04 PM
Not good. SLU is a team who UW needs to destroy.

Yeah, I didn't see the wins in Massachusetts or the Saturday in Green Bay, but it really seems like this team can be great, but sometimes they're just...not. Earlier, I was thinking one Hayton injury would significantly hurt the Badgers. Then I see them dominate all areas in another game and yeah, they're freaking great. Then there's this loss to SLU.


Baker is going to be a **** good player and the team is generally headed in the right direction.

All hail the bread-baking bread guy!

Another bit of positivity...crowd was (within the context of everything we've discussed recently) decentish, and the student section wasn't nearly as bad as I feared, and most of those who were there felt like UW hockey fans who know what UW hockey games are "supposed" to be. (I did avoid looking behind me for the most part to stay sane, because the numbers paint a drastically different picture.)