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Snively65
05-02-2017, 03:50 PM
Starts now. :)

If and when that happens you have to wonder what Atlantic Hockey will do? First UConn and then HC? Maybe it will force the ECAC to shed the Ivies and take all the Atlantic Hockey teams and have two eight team divisions.

Don't think the ECAC wants to lose the Ivies though.

Just keep the AHC at 10 teams if someone leaves.

Russell Jaslow
05-02-2017, 04:19 PM
Just keep the AHC at 10 teams if someone leaves.

Exactly. There is nothing wrong with a 10 team league. And it beats dealing with an odd number of teams.

Downstate_RIT_Fan
05-02-2017, 05:06 PM
Exactly. There is nothing wrong with a 10 team league. And it beats dealing with an odd number of teams.

Agree with both you and Snively, of course staying with ten teams is the most logical solution and no one likes the uneven scheduling in an eleven team league. Just speculating out loud that's all. So with a ten team league does every team get into the playoffs with two teams getting byes or do the bottom two miss the playoffs?

komey1
05-02-2017, 07:40 PM
I would like to see bottom 2 out of the playoffs, but we will likely see them go with every team makes the playoffs.

Snively65
05-02-2017, 07:59 PM
I would like to see bottom 2 out of the playoffs, but we will likely see them go with every team makes the playoffs.

Agree. See UNH threads for the abbreviation coined by Chuck Murray that applies to this philosophy in HEA: MBPBEGAM round. :)

schiegs
05-02-2017, 09:00 PM
I can't stand the "everyone gets an invite" tournament model. Smacks of "everyone gets a trophy." Nevermind that it also diminishes the point of playing a regular season, and eliminates any excitement to the end of the regular season for the bottom dwellers.

Nosmo King
05-02-2017, 09:34 PM
We all know it's not about the excitement. It's about the $$$$$'s.

joecct
05-03-2017, 06:13 AM
We all know it's not about the excitement. It's about the $$$$$'s.

If the students are on vacation, there is no excitement and no $$.

Snively65
05-03-2017, 07:44 AM
I can't stand the "everyone gets an invite" tournament model. Smacks of "everyone gets a trophy." Nevermind that it also diminishes the point of playing a regular season, and eliminates any excitement to the end of the regular season for the bottom dwellers.

Historical question: has an AHC regular season bottom dweller ever made it to the tourney?

LtPowers
05-03-2017, 06:03 PM
I can't stand the "everyone gets an invite" tournament model. Smacks of "everyone gets a trophy." Nevermind that it also diminishes the point of playing a regular season, and eliminates any excitement to the end of the regular season for the bottom dwellers.

Not even remotely the same.

Making the conference tournament is not a reward for good play. It's a method of determining the conference champion. That's all. Every team has a shot at it, weighted by their performance in the regular season.

The regular season is still vitally important, as seeding matters and every team wants a home series.

The end of the regular season is still very exciting as teams jockey for playoff position and try to enter the tournament on a roll. A team eliminated from the postseason with three weeks to go is one that has nothing to play for.


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cetihcra
05-03-2017, 06:19 PM
Atlantic Hockey and HEA should get together and form a relegation system? UMasssssss gets replaced by Air Force next year, and so on and so forth.

r

schiegs
05-03-2017, 09:03 PM
Atlantic Hockey and HEA should get together and form a relegation system? UMasssssss gets replaced by Air Force next year, and so on and so forth.

r

Love this.

schiegs
05-03-2017, 09:11 PM
Not even remotely the same.

Making the conference tournament is not a reward for good play. It's a method of determining the conference champion. That's all. Every team has a shot at it, weighted by their performance in the regular season.

The regular season is still vitally important, as seeding matters and every team wants a home series.

The end of the regular season is still very exciting as teams jockey for playoff position and try to enter the tournament on a roll. A team eliminated from the postseason with three weeks to go is one that has nothing to play for.


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Are you saying that a game that determines the 9 vs. 10 seed is just as exciting as the game that determines 8 vs. playing golf at the local municipal course next weekend? A 10 seed doesn't deserve the chance to even compete for a conference championship. And buckle up for the riveting excitement that comes from teams "trying to enter the tournament on a roll"? Really?

Snively65
05-03-2017, 09:55 PM
Atlantic Hockey and HEA should get together and form a relegation system? UMasssssss gets replaced by Air Force next year, and so on and so forth.

r

HEA just happy to be rid of Notre Dame.

TigerFan86-87
05-04-2017, 12:38 PM
Historical question: has an AHC regular season bottom dweller ever made it to the tourney?

No
Without looking it up, I don't remember any team seeded below 5th or 6th winning the championship (RIT won from the 5 seed in 2016). I do know the last place team has not won yet.

LtPowers
05-04-2017, 01:01 PM
Are you saying that a game that determines the 9 vs. 10 seed is just as exciting as the game that determines 8 vs. playing golf at the local municipal course next weekend?

Maybe not. But what you're missing is that the elimination game still takes place; it just takes place during the tournament. So the "game that determines the 9 vs. 10 seed" is in addition to the game that will send one team to the golf course. That's more excitement, more meaningful games. Win-win.

I also note you failed to address the early-elimination problem.


A 10 seed doesn't deserve the chance to even compete for a conference championship.

Why?


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Snively65
05-04-2017, 01:31 PM
No
Without looking it up, I don't remember any team seeded below 5th or 6th winning the championship (RIT won from the 5 seed in 2016). I do know the last place team has not won yet.

Thanks, TigersFan. I remembered that your team came from 5th in 2016 to win it all, but I am still racking my brain for a team(s) that even made it to the tourney from near the bottom; must be a few, I would think.

TigerFan86-87
05-05-2017, 01:09 PM
Thanks, TigersFan. I remembered that your team came from 5th in 2016 to win it all, but I am still racking my brain for a team(s) that even made it to the tourney from near the bottom; must be a few, I would think.

Now I've looked it up. In MAAC / Atlantic Hockey history, the championships by seed are as follows:
# 1 seed - 7 times (none since 2011-12 - NU)
# 2 seed - 5 times (only one since 2010-11 - AFA this year)
# 3 seed - 2 times
# 4 seed - 1 time (1999-2000 - UConn)
# 5 seed - 3 times (twice in the last four years - 2016 RIT & 2014 RMU)
# 6 seed - 0
# 7 seed - 1 time (Canisius in 2012-13, also the only year AHC earned an at-large - NU)
# 8 and up - 0

A few lower seeds have reached the BCA (and wherever the final four was held back in the MAAC days), but only Canisius won out.

Snively65
05-05-2017, 08:23 PM
Now I've looked it up. In MAAC / Atlantic Hockey history, the championships by seed are as follows:
# 1 seed - 7 times (none since 2011-12 - NU)
# 2 seed - 5 times (only one since 2010-11 - AFA this year)
# 3 seed - 2 times
# 4 seed - 1 time (1999-2000 - UConn)
# 5 seed - 3 times (twice in the last four years - 2016 RIT & 2014 RMU)
# 6 seed - 0
# 7 seed - 1 time (Canisius in 2012-13, also the only year AHC earned an at-large - NU)
# 8 and up - 0

A few lower seeds have reached the BCA (and wherever the final four was held back in the MAAC days), but only Canisius won out.

Oh, that's right about 2012-2013! I think that if RMU had prevailed in the AHC tourney this season, Air Force may have squeaked in as an at-large).

LtPowers
05-06-2017, 06:38 PM
I think that if RMU had prevailed in the AHC tourney this season, Air Force may have squeaked in as an at-large).

Air Force would have been 15th in the PWR if they had lost the AHC final. With Robert Morris and Michigan Tech as auto-bids, only the top 14 teams would have made the tournament.

Cite: I had the same question. https://www.reddit.com/r/collegehockey/comments/60pbyk/two_questions_about_air_force/


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