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Scott
12-10-2016, 08:27 PM
Well, it was fun while it lasted. Discombobulated 'Cats once again showing their true colors. Wake me up when it's January.....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p

Snively65
12-10-2016, 08:44 PM
Killed off the 5-3, but gave up fourth at the beginning of the remaining 25 secs of 5-4.

First line just got one back, so now 4-1.

HockeyRef
12-10-2016, 08:54 PM
Killed off the 5-3, but gave up fourth at the beginning of the remaining 25 secs of 5-4.

First line just got one back, so now 4-1.

Woof..One of those nights. Heard they came out very lethargic...

Lemonade
12-10-2016, 09:20 PM
Opponents GPG Rank / out of 60:
Boston College - 5th (3.74)
St Lawrence - 18th (3.26)
Clarkson - 23rd (3.11)
Cornell - 30th (3.00)
Mercyhurst - 33rd (2.86)
Maine x 2 - 37th (2.78)
Bentley - 39th (2.60)
Merrimack x 2 - 44th (2.44)
Arizona State - 48th (2.35)
Massachusetts x 2 - 49th (2.33)
Colorado College - 51st (2.27)
Sacred Heart - 53rd (2.24)
Rensselaer - 54th (2.16)
Dartmouth - 56th (2.10)

I'm enjoying the recent wins and TK's scoring race as much as anyone, but the fact of the matter is that 8-6-2 would have been considered a disappointment prior to the season. Say what you will about this program, but they have the talent to be sitting here at 12-4-0. Hopefully the team can carry some late first half confidence into the second half of the year (and 5-1-1 in conference play is great regardless of who they've played) - but I for one won't get carried away based on two wins over a hapless Maine team and a pre-thanksgiving win over an RPI team that may very well be the worst team in the country...

They get Dartmouth tonight, as well as another shot at Maine, a key game with UML and a trip to Brown (59th - 1.82) before hitting the meat of the schedule. Anything less than 11-7-2 heading into Northeastern will be unfortunate.

If they can get to 11 wins or more by that point, in dominating fashion, then I may allow myself to start getting excited about what they can do in the second half against a lackluster NU team, far from perfect ND and PC clubs, an identical UConn group, a UVM team they have historically outclassed and a BU team struggling to find chemistry...

In the meantime, a Commesso commitment and a recent trend of beating the teams they're supposed to beat is a happy/hopeful distant light at the end of the tunnel...


Totally agree with you on UNH trending the right direction. I think once Souza gets the head job he will be able to give the program a shot in the arm it desperately needs. Umile is a legend but I am willing to bet he doenst connect with the younger recruits and the weird situation of Umile still being head coach with retirement looming is sort of odd to some recruits that are looking for a clear and concise answer to who will be coaching them when they get there. The Commesso commitment was probably the biggest get in the last 3-4 years. He was supposedly a lock at BU and he decided he wanted UNH and you have to give Souza huge amounts of credit on that one. Commesso is the type of commit that will be able to pull in some other high caliber players down the road at that age level. You get one and more will follow...thats usually how it works. It may be an up and down type thing for a while but the future looks bright for the Wildcats in my opinion.

HockeyRef
12-10-2016, 09:40 PM
Totally agree with you on UNH trending the right direction. I think once Souza gets the head job he will be able to give the program a shot in the arm it desperately needs. Umile is a legend but I am willing to bet he doenst connect with the younger recruits and the weird situation of Umile still being head coach with retirement looming is sort of odd to some recruits that are looking for a clear and concise answer to who will be coaching them when they get there. The Commesso commitment was probably the biggest get in the last 3-4 years. He was supposedly a lock at BU and he decided he wanted UNH and you have to give Souza huge amounts of credit on that one. Commesso is the type of commit that will be able to pull in some other high caliber players down the road at that age level. You get one and more will follow...thats usually how it works. It may be an up and down type thing for a while but the future looks bright for the Wildcats in my opinion.

If any post deserves a like button it's this one!! Time...it's all any of us has!!
The future can't come soon enough for this program and its fans...

Greg Ambrose
12-10-2016, 10:00 PM
Woof..One of those nights. Heard they came out very lethargic...

Last game for three weeks. How can that be? Must be worried about finals.

Snively65
12-10-2016, 10:44 PM
Woof..One of those nights. Heard they came out very lethargic...

I was standing behind the railing above the UNH bench, and the Cats did not look lethargic to me. But, they were missing on most of their passes, and not winning battles in the corners. However, the latter dump and chase into the corners always has been a pet peeve of mine, especially when the opposing team is bigger and dominating in those areas. And, once again, like most of the games that I have seen this season, Salvaggio and McNickolas were not getting open in the O zone to receive passes from TyK, including on the PP, unlike his linemates last season. The UNH PP was lousy tonight, the PK better. I thought that Ty Rone was fine; BG easily could have added 3 or 4 more goals but for some excellent saves by Ty.

HockeyRef
12-10-2016, 10:50 PM
I was standing behind the railing above the UNH bench, and the Cats did not look lethargic to me. But, they were missing on most of their passes, and not winning battles in the corners. However, the latter dump and chase into the corners always has been a pet peeve of mine, especially when the opposing team is bigger and dominating in those areas. And, once again, like most of the games that I have seen this season, Salvaggio and McNickolas were not getting open in the O zone to receive passes from TyK, including on the PP, unlike his linemates last season. The UNH PP was lousy tonight, the PK better. I thought that Ty Rone was fine; BG easily could have added 3 or 4 more goals but for some excellent saves by Ty.

Thanks for the synopsis...wait til we play UVM...they are tough (although BU handled them quite easily tonight after last night's loss). I'm with you...hate that dump n chase game... See you at the Verizon game (or whatever the arena is called, SNHU?)

Snively65
12-10-2016, 11:39 PM
JvR got goal against Bs tonight, so that is three UNH alums with goals in NHL this week.

Chuck Murray
12-10-2016, 11:58 PM
I'm enjoying the recent wins and TK's scoring race as much as anyone, but the fact of the matter is that 8-6-2 would have been considered a disappointment prior to the season. Say what you will about this program, but they have the talent to be sitting here at 12-4-0. Hopefully the team can carry some late first half confidence into the second half of the year (and 5-1-1 in conference play is great regardless of who they've played) - but I for one won't get carried away based on two wins over a hapless Maine team and a pre-thanksgiving win over an RPI team that may very well be the worst team in the country...

They get Dartmouth tonight, as well as another shot at Maine, a key game with UML and a trip to Brown (59th - 1.82) before hitting the meat of the schedule. Anything less than 11-7-2 heading into Northeastern will be unfortunate.

If they can get to 11 wins or more by that point, in dominating fashion, then I may allow myself to start getting excited about what they can do in the second half against a lackluster NU team, far from perfect ND and PC clubs, an identical UConn group, a UVM team they have historically outclassed and a BU team struggling to find chemistry...

In the meantime, a Commesso commitment and a recent trend of beating the teams they're supposed to beat is a happy/hopeful distant light at the end of the tunnel...

The sad thing is, Dan ... every time someone like you or me starts to believe, or makes a projection about where they should be after a certain stretch of games ... they just seem to find a way to come up short.

I expected at least 10 wins by the time they returned to action for the UMaine game in ManchVegas. Your statement that 12-4-0 would not be unreasonable, given the talent level (meh, but ... ) and especially the cupcake-laden schedule, is right on the button. Think about the games this team has lost so far. Tonight's disappointing loss barely cracks the top five (ASFU/Sacred Heart/Bentley/CC). UGH.

UNH almost never wins the "back from break" game (or at least it seems like a rarity?), so UMaine is in doubt ... Normie's boys are up next and he's got their number in recent years ... then Brown on the road. That's got 1-1-1 written all over it. So like I have been disappointed with their inability to hit certain benchmarks to date, I think you will be disappointed too (although obviously I hope it works out for you). :)

I can only imagine how quiet the bus ride back down Rte. 89 would have been after tonight's dud.

I'm going to stew on this for a few days before letting rip with the next edition of The Quest. This one hurts. :(

Dan
12-11-2016, 12:12 AM
The sad thing is, Dan ... every time someone like you or me starts to believe, or makes a projection about where they should be after a certain stretch of games ... they just seem to find a way to come up short.

I expected at least 10 wins by the time they returned to action for the UMaine game in ManchVegas. Your statement that 12-4-0 would not be unreasonable, given the talent level (meh, but ... ) and especially the cupcake-laden schedule, is right on the button. Think about the games this team has lost so far. Tonight's disappointing loss barely cracks the top five (ASFU/Sacred Heart/Bentley/CC). UGH.

UNH almost never wins the "back from break" game (or at least it seems like a rarity?), so UMaine is in doubt ... Normie's boys are up next and he's got their number in recent years ... then Brown on the road. That's got 1-1-1 written all over it. So like I have been disappointed with their inability to hit certain benchmarks to date, I think you will be disappointed too (although obviously I hope it works out for you). :)

I can only imagine how quiet the bus ride back down Rte. 89 would have been after tonight's dud.

I'm going to stew on this for a few days before letting rip with the next edition of The Quest. This one hurts. :(

Oh, believe me - I get it. My post was not necessarily to promote optimism. Rather I was questioning it. Far be it from me to tell anyone else to get excited about a few wins, but I agree that in general the first half was disappointing. We're not talking about going 12-4 against a typical schedule. It's wins over CC (I saw CC at DU last weekend - and they are every bit as dismal as they were last year.), Bentley, Sacred Heart, ASU, etc that would have gotten them to that mark. And wins over Maine and RPI are hardly tent-pole victories...

And your first statement was really driven home tonight. It wasn't so much I expected them to go 3-1 over this four game stretch - but if they were truly getting better, they would have found a way. Dartmouth, Maine and Brown are bad. Unfortunately, so is UNH right now...

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Lemonade - I still need to see some more from Souza to get on board with you. He hadn't done much to lead me to believe he was the coach of the future, until landing Commesso. But Commesso is a huge get and I hope he continues to follow it up. If he is able to turn this commitment into more of the same I'll be thrilled to death! At the very least, Commesso's comment about not wanting an urban campus should silence the rumors that kids only want to go to school in Boston...

If Souza can keep the defense playing well against better scoring teams and his PP continues to fire on all cylinders it will be another great sign for his future.

Snively65
12-11-2016, 09:56 AM
Nice!

Enjoy the UV!

Here's a trivia question for ya. When did UNH move from Hanover to Ben Thompson's farm in Durham?

Move began in 1891 with construction of Thompson Hall, but first freshman class began in fall 1893, I think.

Back atcha: Four-part question (so, can earn partial credit): What year did UNH play its first collegiate hockey game, what was UNH team's name, who did they beat 2-1 in that game, and where was the rink located on campus?

e.cat
12-11-2016, 10:01 AM
Move began in 1891 with construction of Thompson Hall, but first freshman class began in fall 1893, I think.

Back atcha: Four-part question (so, can earn partial credit): What year did UNH play its first collegiate hockey game, what was UNH team's name, who did they beat 2-1 in that game, and where was the rink located on campus?
Right in all counts. Dartmouth couldn't get the farmers outta town fast enough though!

Gotta do some research and get back to ya later;)

Snively65
12-11-2016, 10:12 AM
Right in all counts. Dartmouth couldn't get the farmers outta town fast enough though!

Gotta do some research and get back to ya later;)

Also, please add the following extra credit question: In what year was UNH outdoor Batchelder Rink constructed, and what made it different from the previous outdoor rinks at UNH?

e.cat
12-11-2016, 05:24 PM
Also, please add the following extra credit question: In what year was UNH outdoor Batchelder Rink constructed, and what made it different from the previous outdoor rinks at UNH?

I think Batchelder Rink was behind New Hampshire Hall. I give on the other stuff!

sonar
12-11-2016, 06:32 PM
Move began in 1891 with construction of Thompson Hall, but first freshman class began in fall 1893, I think.

Back atcha: Four-part question (so, can earn partial credit): What year did UNH play its first collegiate hockey game, what was UNH team's name, who did they beat 2-1 in that game, and where was the rink located on campus?

1928; Bulls; Bates; out back of NH Hall

Snively65
12-11-2016, 08:47 PM
1928; Bulls; Bates; out back of NH Hall

Excellent, sonar.

E.cat, Batchelder Rink, which was essentially on the same footprint as Snively, was constructed in 1955, and used underground cooling pipes, unlike the previous outdoor rinks, which were simply flooded with a hose.

Greg Ambrose
12-11-2016, 10:17 PM
1928; Bulls; Bates; out back of NH Hall

As the main writer of the Diamond Anniversary Tribute of UNH Hockey, written in the fall of 1999, I can tell you that UNH played their first game in December, 1924 at a winter carnival at Colby College. The Bulls defeated Colby and Bates, then lost to St. Dom's of Lewiston. UNH didn't play their first home game until February, 1926 at a flooded rink behind New Hampshire Hall. For several years they played on the other side of Main Street, near College Woods, where there was more shade and the ice would not melt as fast.

Batchelder Rink opened in 1955, adjacent to New Hampshire Hall. The money for artificial ice was ponied up by Harry C. Batchelder, who ran an ice making business in my home town of Lynn, MA. Although Batchelder was an alum (1913), I learned just last week from my 81 year old locker mate at the Lynn YMCA that Mr. Batchelder came forward because his son played on the team. Ten years later Snively opened, hence our Snively '65's screen name. The rest is history.

HockeyRef
12-12-2016, 02:29 PM
From the Union Leader:

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20161211/SPORTS22/161219837/-1/sports22

For those of you who went, was this the way of it? "out competed and outplayed"....our OOC woes continue to haunt..

Snively65
12-12-2016, 04:33 PM
As the main writer of the Diamond Anniversary Tribute of UNH Hockey, written in the fall of 1999, I can tell you that UNH played their first game in December, 1924 at a winter carnival at Colby College. The Bulls defeated Colby and Bates, then lost to St. Dom's of Lewiston. UNH didn't play their first home game until February, 1926 at a flooded rink behind New Hampshire Hall. For several years they played on the other side of Main Street, near College Woods, where there was more shade and the ice would not melt as fast.

Batchelder Rink opened in 1955, adjacent to New Hampshire Hall. The money for artificial ice was ponied up by Harry C. Batchelder, who ran an ice making business in my home town of Lynn, MA. Although Batchelder was an alum (1913), I learned just last week from my 81 year old locker mate at the Lynn YMCA that Mr. Batchelder came forward because his son played on the team. Ten years later Snively opened, hence our Snively '65's screen name. The rest is history.

Good stuff, Greg; many thanks!

Growing up in Durham during the 1950s, we skated on the old flooded "rinks" before Batchelder Rink was constructed. A. Barr "Whoop" Snively was always out there for public free skating, blowing his whistle every 4-5 minutes to have us reverse direction (we had to skate in one direction). There was a small concession stand at the outdoor pool end of the rink where one could purchase hot cocoa and hot dogs, maybe 10 cents each, IIRC. One time, a friend's younger sister got her tongue stuck on the sub-freezing fence above the boards (no, we did not dare her to lick the fence), and Whoop got her tongue unstuck with hot cocoa. Same friend and I collected hockey pucks in the spring as they melted out of the snow banks; I sold mine back to the Athletic Department at the time for $1 each, but my friend astutely kept his until recently as he has been selling them on EBay for up to $65 each.

I have photos of the Snively construction that I need to scan and post somewhere with a link. In follow up to the Thompson Arena construction comments on the Dartmouth thread this past weekend, although both the Thompson and Whitt rinks were dug out below ground level with a 360-degree concourse, that is about all that they have in common. Thompson Arena has buttresses (perhaps 20 along each side?) to counter the incredible weight of over 1000 concrete triangular panels that weigh one ton each and make up the vaulted roof. So, very different from both Snively's arches and the Whitt's roof.

I will need to skip the Cats' next visit to Hanover, as we have lost on my only two visits in 2012 and 2016. :(

Maybe I can bring better luck to Providence when we play Brown next month.

Finally, why does one pull the goaltender when down 4-1 with about 2 minutes left, when your team has not recorded a shot on three power plays the entire night? :confused: