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D2D
12-06-2016, 06:55 PM
Article: http://teamusa.usahockey.com/news_article/show/730916?referrer_id=2339681

Roster: http://teamusa.usahockey.com/page/show/2978054

ne7minder
12-06-2016, 08:59 PM
Article: http://teamusa.usahockey.com/news_article/show/730916?referrer_id=2339681

Roster: http://teamusa.usahockey.com/page/show/2978054

Any clue why the odd number of forwards? 12 D would make 2 sets of 6 but 20 F makes 3 sets of 3 + 1 spare and 5 G . . . why not invite 4 more F and have 2 balanced squads (except for that 5th minder)?

brokentwig
12-07-2016, 01:02 PM
Any clue why the odd number of forwards? 12 D would make 2 sets of 6 but 20 F makes 3 sets of 3 + 1 spare and 5 G . . . why not invite 4 more F and have 2 balanced squads (except for that 5th minder)?

It is nice to see some of the younger girls (Dunne,Ryan,Pannek,Rooney,Zumwinkle) get a chance to play on a bigger stage. I think womens hockey should follow what the USA womens soccer team is doing by replacing some of the cagey vets with the kids.

agfire
12-07-2016, 01:46 PM
I completely agree. Its time for some new blood. If they are only giving a couple of new girls a chance, we may never see some of the great players that completely deserve the chance who have been omitted. But many times it is easier to choose from the same group of talented players instead of scouting a little broader. I just wish there was more effort put into looking at these girls.
It is nice to see some of the younger girls (Dunne,Ryan,Pannek,Rooney,Zumwinkle) get a chance to play on a bigger stage. I think womens hockey should follow what the USA womens soccer team is doing by replacing some of the cagey vets with the kids.

Hockeysbest
12-14-2016, 09:34 AM
I completely agree. Its time for some new blood. If they are only giving a couple of new girls a chance, we may never see some of the great players that completely deserve the chance who have been omitted. But many times it is easier to choose from the same group of talented players instead of scouting a little broader. I just wish there was more effort put into looking at these girls.

I totally agree with you. I posted my views on the U18 thread by mistake. I'm baffled by the fact that every time the USA announces their roster it's the same people more or less from the same teams more or less (Minnesota, Wisconsin and BC). Now that Minnesota is showing some cracks in their game because they may not have the same talent than last year it should give USA some pause and think that maybe some players look good because of who's around them and that other players from other teams may be just as good or even better. I think the offensive side is pretty well taken care of with the players they have. But the D side is where your comments resonate with me. Time for new blood. I still wonder how they make their choices as I know stats aren't everything but when you look at the top Ds in the NCAA and in particular the tough WCHA Morin is top in many of the categories yet straight down to Wisconsins Ryan they go. I am not saying Ryan shouldn't be there but it's an example of how it seems that the top picks come from specific schools only and that's not good for the sport. Dunne is the exception but she already centralized with the Olympic tryout team so she's in just as Keller is in. It was just a matter of getting healthy again IMO

DC78-82
12-16-2016, 09:30 AM
I totally agree with you. I posted my views on the U18 thread by mistake. I'm baffled by the fact that every time the USA announces their roster it's the same people more or less from the same teams more or less (Minnesota, Wisconsin and BC). Now that Minnesota is showing some cracks in their game because they may not have the same talent than last year it should give USA some pause and think that maybe some players look good because of who's around them and that other players from other teams may be just as good or even better. I think the offensive side is pretty well taken care of with the players they have. But the D side is where your comments resonate with me. Time for new blood. I still wonder how they make their choices as I know stats aren't everything but when you look at the top Ds in the NCAA and in particular the tough WCHA Morin is top in many of the categories yet straight down to Wisconsins Ryan they go. I am not saying Ryan shouldn't be there but it's an example of how it seems that the top picks come from specific schools only and that's not good for the sport. Dunne is the exception but she already centralized with the Olympic tryout team so she's in just as Keller is in. It was just a matter of getting healthy again IMO

So, who would you leave off the roster, and why? Which defensemen have underperformed?

TonyTheTiger20
12-16-2016, 10:37 AM
CAYLA BARNES yo!

http://teamusa.usahockey.com/page/show/2957589-2016-u-s-women-s-national-team-roster

D2D
12-16-2016, 10:01 PM
Reminder that the USA-Canada game will be shown live tomorrow on NBCSN. Game starts at 4:30pm ET.

Timothy A
12-17-2016, 07:00 AM
Reminder that the USA-Canada game will be shown live tomorrow on NBCSN. Game starts at 4:30pm ET.

DVR is all set!

Dani C didn't make the roster, will she be healthy for the second half of the season?

Eeyore
12-17-2016, 07:34 AM
Dani C didn't make the roster, will she be healthy for the second half of the season?

That was announced at the same time that it was announced that she wouldn't play last week. At this point, we really have no idea what her status is going forward.

TonyTheTiger20
12-17-2016, 12:27 PM
Reminder that the USA-Canada game will be shown live tomorrow on NBCSN. Game starts at 4:30pm ET.

Excellent, thanks for this

joecct
12-17-2016, 01:39 PM
Reminder that the USA-Canada game will be shown live tomorrow on NBCSN. Game starts at 4:30pm ET.

Just for fun, Ray Ferraro and Cammi Granato should do the commentary.

Timothy A
12-17-2016, 10:37 PM
USA played like doggy doo doo. Rob Stauber is the the coach!?

ne7minder
12-18-2016, 08:32 AM
USA played like doggy doo doo. Rob Stauber is the the coach!?

Rob runs a goalie school & works with many goalies including some in the NHL.

Timothy A
12-18-2016, 09:43 AM
Rob runs a goalie school & works with many goalies including some in the NHL.

He may be good with goalies, but the F and D couldn't connect on a pass to save their lives.

ne7minder
12-18-2016, 09:52 AM
He may be good with goalies, but the F and D couldn't connect on a pass to save their lives.

Agreed, despite all the SOG they managed they did not play like a team. Separate from the issue of pulling players from their teams and from the potential for injury these useless games provide, my main complaint with this (and with the men's Olympic clusterfluster) is that hockey is a TEAM sport and the best players may not make the best team particularly if they do not have time to play with each other & grow into a team. You do not get 18 skaters together & have them practice for a day or two & expect the best performance.

As for coaching I have no idea, was he the head coach? If you I guess they viewed the whole process as a tryout. But I wouldn't grade a coach (or the players much either) on a this performance for the reason I gave above.

D2D
12-18-2016, 11:44 AM
I thought the U.S. team passed well enough until the 3rd period, when their whole game unraveled. That was a little ironic, coming after Decker's TV interview when she stressed how important it was for the team to play a complete 60 minutes, with 20 more to go at that point. Give Canada credit for coming out blazing in the 3rd, when they almost immediately took the game over.

Until then, USA looked to be the more skilled team, but there were a few problems. Among them, from my vantage point on the couch:

> All too often they were content to pass the puck around, unnecessarily going backwards instead of moving it up-ice. This gave Canada too much opportunity to get into a good defensive position and take advantage of the one errant pass (which was sure to come eventually) and quickly reverse the play and give them an odd-man break.

> On the power play, which they had plenty of in the first two periods - thanks to some questionable calls by the referees - they passed the puck around too much and for too long on the perimeter, including on a couple of extended two-man advantages. Too often they failed to establish much of a front-net presence for screens and tips (something that Canada does very well). Although the U.S. passed the puck well around Canada's box and got lots of shots off, most of them came from too far out. And on the vast majority their goalie was able to see them coming the entire way. The story here: get more traffic in front and crash the net! On the few occasions when they did they had some success.

> I also wonder if all the power plays in the first two periods didn't sap a lot of energy out of some key U.S. players, who seemed tired in the 3rd...not just physically but mentally as well. Canada came out strong and determined, and the Americans simply did not respond well at all, with numerous turnovers and some very poor decision-making that you saw very little of in the first two periods.

Hopefully the U.S. will learn from their mistakes and actually heed Decker's advice when it comes to playing hard and smart the entire 60 minutes. As mentioned this game's outcome doesn't mean much (if anything) but losing the way they did had to hurt more than a little.

ne7minder
12-18-2016, 11:59 AM
I thought the U.S. team passed well enough until the 3rd period, when their whole game unraveled. That was a little ironic, coming after Decker's TV interview when she stressed how important it was for the team to play a complete 60 minutes, with 20 more to go at that point. Give Canada credit for coming out blazing in the 3rd, when they almost immediately took the game over.

Until then, USA looked to be the more skilled team, but there were a few problems. Among them, from my vantage point on the couch:

> All too often they were content to pass the puck around, unnecessarily going backwards instead of moving it up-ice. This gave Canada too much opportunity to get into a good defensive position and take advantage of the one errant pass (which was sure to come eventually) and quickly reverse the play and give them an odd-man break.

> On the power play, which they had plenty of in the first two periods - thanks to some questionable calls by the referees - they passed the puck around too much and for too long on the perimeter, including on a couple of extended two-man advantages. Too often they failed to establish much of a front-net presence for screens and tips (something that Canada does very well). Although the U.S. passed the puck well around Canada's box and got lots of shots off, most of them came from too far out. And on the vast majority their goalie was able to see them coming the entire way. The story here: get more traffic in front and crash the net! On the few occasions when they did they had some success.

> I also wonder if all the power plays in the first two periods didn't sap a lot of energy out of some key U.S. players, who seemed tired in the 3rd...not just physically but mentally as well. Canada came out strong and determined, and the Americans simply did not respond well at all, with numerous turnovers and some very poor decision-making that you saw very little of in the first two periods.

Hopefully the U.S. will learn from their mistakes and actually heed Decker's advice when it comes to playing hard and smart the entire 60 minutes. As mentioned this game's outcome doesn't mean much (if anything) but losing the way they did had to hurt more than a little.

I thought Canada owned most of the first period too, particularly if you deduct the powerplays. As for those powerplays, it seemed to me that they had one play over and over, that was to feed a forward on the red line just off the net and then try to force a pass through the crease. They almost never got the puck through & when they did there was never a stick to knock it in. Their first PPG came on a slapper from the point & I wish they had tried that a bit more instead.

It hadn't occurred to me that Canada might be more rested from all the extra bench time the refs gave them ;)

DC78-82
12-19-2016, 07:57 AM
USA played like doggy doo doo. Rob Stauber is the the coach!?

A very precise assessment. I agree. Can't remember when I saw 60 minutes of retreat and circle back, keep the puck on the perimeter on numerous 5 on 3's. Maybe USA is trying to lull Canada into a coma?

DC78-82
12-19-2016, 08:02 AM
Will tonight's game be streamed in the USA?