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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
10-04-2016, 12:23 PM
According to D3Hockey.com (http://d3hockey.com/notables/2016-17/161003-ecac-west-schools-announce-formation-of-new-conference), the ECAC-W will now be known as the "United Collegiate Hockey Conference". This will be a bigger change for Women's DIII Hockey, though, as they are effectively kicking out the 5 SUNY Schools in the process, and Manhattanville will be leaving the NEHC. I would guess we see Morrisville and Canton being used to give a SUNYAC Conference 7 teams...

The UCHC will feature the following teams in 2017-18:
Elmira College
Utica College
Hobart/William Smith Colleges
King's College
Lebanon Valley College
Manhattanville College
Chatham University
Neumann University
Stevenson University
Nazareth College (Men's only)

Additionally, both leagues will add Wilkes University in 2018-19.

dhammond
10-04-2016, 12:37 PM
I wonder whether it will be a 2-year wait for autobids, which would make it 19-20 before it would kick in?

joecct
10-04-2016, 12:38 PM
I wonder whether it will be a 2-year wait for autobids, which would make it 19-20 before it would kick in?

See the other thread. AQ is currently ticking and will continue.

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
10-04-2016, 02:02 PM
I wonder whether it will be a 2-year wait for autobids, which would make it 19-20 before it would kick in?

18-19 for the men.
19-20 for the women

PSUChamps2001
10-04-2016, 03:40 PM
As I posted in the womens thread....

My only question is..... if Plattsburgh wins the ECAC West Regular season title and makes the ECAC WEST Championship game this year, will Plattsburgh be forced to play the Championship game in Elmira ??

Ed Trefzger
10-04-2016, 05:07 PM
This is clearly all RIT's fault.

pman
10-04-2016, 07:54 PM
Good, bad or indifferent for the men's division?

joecct
10-04-2016, 08:08 PM
11 teams x H&H = 20 game RS schedule. Too much??

Or do they do an NCHA setup?

PrezdeJohnson09
10-05-2016, 07:52 AM
11 teams x H&H = 20 game RS schedule. Too much??

Or do they do an NCHA setup?

Either that or a division format? Play each team in your division twice and then the others once.

elbojpb
10-05-2016, 08:21 AM
According to D3Hockey.com (http://d3hockey.com/notables/2016-17/161003-ecac-west-schools-announce-formation-of-new-conference), the ECAC-W will now be known as the "United Collegiate Hockey Conference".It does not appear as though the ECAC has anything to do with this change!? There is nothing on their website (http://www.ecacsports.com/index.aspx?path=mhockey_mwest&) even referencing this change. Does this mean that the ECAC will no longer have any presence in Men's D3 hockey?

How do you split an 11-team league into divisions?

NUProf
10-05-2016, 11:57 AM
It does not appear as though the ECAC has anything to do with this change!? There is nothing on their website (http://www.ecacsports.com/index.aspx?path=mhockey_mwest&) even referencing this change. Does this mean that the ECAC will no longer have any presence in Men's D3 hockey?

How do you split an 11-team league into divisions?

The ECAC sponsored leagues in DIII Hockey have been on the decline for quite a while. Seems as though there must have been some reason for it - perhaps schools wanting to have more control over their league

ECAC - East (M&W) moved out and took control of themselves by becoming the NEHC
ECAC - Northeast moved to the CCC after half of the league went to the MASCAC earlier
ECAC - West (M&W) moved out to form UCHC
ECAC (Something) was projected to take in the independent women's teams with nowhere to play, but never got off the ground as the CHC was formed out of the projected membership

Pretty clear there must be some reason that everybody exited the ECAC umbrella all at the same time.

The question is where do the SUNYAC women go under this scenario, because there aren't enough of them to get a pool A slot.

Scott_TG
10-05-2016, 12:03 PM
The question is where do the SUNYAC women go under this scenario, because there aren't enough of them to get a pool A slot.

If they can poach Morrisville and Canton women's they do have enough for all-SUNY teams to make a SUNYAC women's conference with a Pool A. Or they could get 2 of 3 of Brockport, Fredonia and Geneseo who have men's programs and on-campus rinks to start programs and again that would be enough for an all-SUNY SUNYAC Womken's conference with a Pool A.

Or they could all try for the CHC (the league that formed out of what was supposed to be the ECAC-North Atlantic) which would then be an 11 team conference.

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
10-05-2016, 12:35 PM
If they can poach Morrisville and Canton women's they do have enough for all-SUNY teams to make a SUNYAC women's conference with a Pool A. Or they could get 2 of 3 of Brockport, Fredonia and Geneseo who have men's programs and on-campus rinks to start programs and again that would be enough for an all-SUNY SUNYAC Womken's conference with a Pool A.

Or they could all try for the CHC (the league that formed out of what was supposed to be the ECAC-North Atlantic) which would then be an 11 team conference.

Correct. Canton & Mo'ville seems the most logical option, but those Schools would have to agree to it (and the larger SUNYAC membership would have to agree to allowing the arrangement, since those are not SUNYAC Schools). I doubt the CHC would take them because Buffalo, Canton/Potsdam, and Plattsburgh all in the same year would be an expensive travel budget for a team like JW or Becker.

A note: The CHC is definitely losing Daniel Webster and Stevenson, which drops them to 6 teams. They now risk losing Canton and Mo'ville, which potentially drops them to 4. Maybe that's their incentive to take the SUNYs? But how much of an incentive is that when Plattsburgh is in the mix?

Scott_TG
10-05-2016, 01:02 PM
Correct. Canton & Mo'ville seems the most logical option, but those Schools would have to agree to it (and the larger SUNYAC membership would have to agree to allowing the arrangement, since those are not SUNYAC Schools). I doubt the CHC would take them because Buffalo, Canton/Potsdam, and Plattsburgh all in the same year would be an expensive travel budget for a team like JW or Becker.

A note: The CHC is definitely losing Daniel Webster and Stevenson, which drops them to 6 teams. They now risk losing Canton and Mo'ville, which potentially drops them to 4. Maybe that's their incentive to take the SUNYs? But how much of an incentive is that when Plattsburgh is in the mix?

They could stay as a 5 team conference and compete for a Pool B with the WIAC.

joecct
10-05-2016, 02:41 PM
They could stay as a 5 team conference and compete for a Pool B with the WIAC.

Don't want to leave it to the smoke filled room.

The best solution is for the CHC to poach CCC members
UNE
Nichols
Salve Regina
to get to 7

and the NEHC to poach one team from the UCHC to get back to 7 and put the UCHC back to 10

Scott_TG
10-05-2016, 02:57 PM
Don't want to leave it to the smoke filled room.

If Plattsburgh's conference loses the AQ but they keep playing like they have over the last 7 or so years the committee would have to be smoking something pretty special to leave them out.

joecct
10-05-2016, 03:34 PM
If Plattsburgh's conference loses the AQ but they keep playing like they have over the last 7 or so years the committee would have to be smoking something pretty special to leave them out.

CHC was going to get the AQ next season, but it is PFFT! now. They can restart by poaching from the NEHC.

Platty will be Ok and the SUNY will keep its AQ with Canton and Morrisville.

Russell Jaslow
10-05-2016, 03:55 PM
It does not appear as though the ECAC has anything to do with this change!? There is nothing on their website (http://www.ecacsports.com/index.aspx?path=mhockey_mwest&) even referencing this change. Does this mean that the ECAC will no longer have any presence in Men's D3 hockey?

How do you split an 11-team league into divisions?

The title of this thread is a misnomer.

Eleven teams are leaving the ECAC West to form the UCHC. There is no "rebranding."

Which technically means the five SUNY teams are still in the ECAC West...

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
10-05-2016, 05:10 PM
The title of this thread is a misnomer.

Eleven teams are leaving the ECAC West to form the UCHC. There is no "rebranding."

Which technically means the five SUNY teams are still in the ECAC West...

On the men's side it has the appearance of a rebranding, with a bit more complexity under the hood.

On the women's side, whether it's kicking the SUNYs out or packing their bags to go play in their own sandbox, it's still the Schools that are in the ECAC-W on both sides saying "screw you" to the public schools (mostly Plattsburgh, I'm sure)

jerrynu26
10-06-2016, 08:50 AM
From what I have heard over time, the ECAC had gotten to the point where it was not only expensive, but also too rigid in it's structure.