Anyone know what is going on at SUNY-Cortland? Earl Utter is no longer the coach and they STILL have yet to name a replacement.
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Originally posted by GTOWN View PostI had heard in the past that women's hockey wasn't a big focus for Cortland, is that true? Would the delay be a reflection of the quality of coaches applying?Plattsburgh CARDINALS
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Agree with prior comment on Cortland athletics overall being excellent (except any gender hockey). Couple of comments on that front.........
Womens hockey has improved in the last 4 years dramatically to the point where they have made playoffs the last 2 consecutive seasons. In spite of the improvement, there is still no comparison hockey-wise to the likes of Platty, Elmira, etc. That being said, the athletic administration does seem to take the "path of least resistance" when it comes to servicing the "squeaky wheel" syndrome. In this instance for womens hockey, regardless of the year-over-year improvement, there is a seemingly always unhappy group of parents (vocal minority) who plowed a path repeatedly to the AD over the years to complain about everything under the sun. The sad part is their kids probably got more ice time and special treatment more than anyone else on the team. The problem should have been "nipped in the bud" years earlier and it would not have manifested itself to this point (old coach getting fired). Equal blame to go around though with old head coach for not dealing with it head-on from the beginning, and the administration for rewarding a bad behavior from the parents who became a pain in their butt that they didn't want to deal with, as they have multiple other sports on cruise control. Pefect example is how long it took them to find new head coach (still not officially announced) since they made determination to terminate old coach.
As for hockey on men's side, the potential is there. Long time mens coach left a couple of years ago due to personal reasons, retiring. New coach the last couple of years is recruiting hard; however, isn't hitting the mark on quality (player and people) recruits as a few have flunked out, one decided to inexplicably retire after 1 season, etc. etc. The potential is there on paper, but chemistry and cohesiveness appear to be a larger than expected hurdle in the near term.
Great school, great academics, hopefully on the hockey front they figure it out both administratively and on the coaching front.
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Originally posted by Mission View PostAgree with prior comment on Cortland athletics overall being excellent (except any gender hockey). Couple of comments on that front.........
Womens hockey has improved in the last 4 years dramatically to the point where they have made playoffs the last 2 consecutive seasons. In spite of the improvement, there is still no comparison hockey-wise to the likes of Platty, Elmira, etc. That being said, the athletic administration does seem to take the "path of least resistance" when it comes to servicing the "squeaky wheel" syndrome. In this instance for womens hockey, regardless of the year-over-year improvement, there is a seemingly always unhappy group of parents (vocal minority) who plowed a path repeatedly to the AD over the years to complain about everything under the sun. The sad part is their kids probably got more ice time and special treatment more than anyone else on the team. The problem should have been "nipped in the bud" years earlier and it would not have manifested itself to this point (old coach getting fired). Equal blame to go around though with old head coach for not dealing with it head-on from the beginning, and the administration for rewarding a bad behavior from the parents who became a pain in their butt that they didn't want to deal with, as they have multiple other sports on cruise control. Pefect example is how long it took them to find new head coach (still not officially announced) since they made determination to terminate old coach.
As for hockey on men's side, the potential is there. Long time mens coach left a couple of years ago due to personal reasons, retiring. New coach the last couple of years is recruiting hard; however, isn't hitting the mark on quality (player and people) recruits as a few have flunked out, one decided to inexplicably retire after 1 season, etc. etc. The potential is there on paper, but chemistry and cohesiveness appear to be a larger than expected hurdle in the near term.
Great school, great academics, hopefully on the hockey front they figure it out both administratively and on the coaching front.
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Coach Utter told my daughter not to bother because she is Canadian and he couldn't offer her anything. At the time we weren't sure if he was being honest or just brushing her off. Given that she's now playing D3 and the comments below it's unfortunate that this really is the case......
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Originally posted by PSUChamps2001 View PostUntil Cortland decides to get their head out of the sand and start offering FA and getting players north of the border, they will continue to be at or near the bottom of the list. Again, it goes back to the administration not giving two-sheets of a care about hockey at Cortland.
Platty and Elmira are in a class by themselves and good on them. Like I mentioned before, Cortland has improved significantly the last few years, plenty of good roster talent, but have likely not gotten the most out of the talent due to the administrative structure and coaching that catered likely too much to the unhappy few. That being said there is plenty of upside on the roster talent-wise, and a great school academically that certainly manages to attract top athletic talent in all other sports to compete on elite level nationally. Hockey should be no different, they don't need to go fishing in Canada to have a better program with a higher level of success.
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Originally posted by GTOWN View PostCoach Utter told my daughter not to bother because she is Canadian and he couldn't offer her anything. At the time we weren't sure if he was being honest or just brushing her off. Given that she's now playing D3 and the comments below it's unfortunate that this really is the case......
Best of luck to your daughter and whatever team she is on this upcoming season.
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Originally posted by Mission View PostSilliest comment I have read. I have been in hockey a loooonnnngggg time. "Players north of the border" are not the secret sauce to success. Plenty of excellent players in the states to compete with just fine.
Platty and Elmira are in a class by themselves and good on them. Like I mentioned before, Cortland has improved significantly the last few years, plenty of good roster talent, but have likely not gotten the most out of the talent due to the administrative structure and coaching that catered likely too much to the unhappy few. That being said there is plenty of upside on the roster talent-wise, and a great school academically that certainly manages to attract top athletic talent in all other sports to compete on elite level nationally. Hockey should be no different, they don't need to go fishing in Canada to have a better program with a higher level of success.
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Originally posted by GTOWN View PostCoach Utter told my daughter not to bother because she is Canadian and he couldn't offer her anything. At the time we weren't sure if he was being honest or just brushing her off. Given that she's now playing D3 and the comments below it's unfortunate that this really is the case......
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"Again, it goes back to the administration not giving two-sheets of a care about hockey at Cortland."
Most accurate comment on this thread. They have a very loooonnnngggg-standing reputation for not caring about hockey there, especially compared to how much they care about their other sports. Anyone not familiar with this reputation has NOT been around loooonnnngggg enough to properly comment on the situation at Cortland. The new coach just made a career mistake by taking this job.
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Originally posted by PSUChamps2001 View PostObviously you haven't been around that long or you needto lay off the kool aid lol. It's black and white, typical Cortland fan lol
With that, it's not as black and white as you suggest. Different schools have different priorities, and not every school needs to demonstrate recruiting to the utmost level (ie players north of the border) to "win Championships or bust" in order to be more relevant on the field of play. Last I looked US Womens national team looked pretty good vs. Canadian womens team. The World Cup American mens team, and the American players on the Team North America, look pretty good to me. US developed players can suit any US college just fine. My point is perhaps Cortland hasn't gotten the most out of talent due to tangential reasons.
Try to absorb that concept before you hit "quick reply", and also maybe your 8,210 previous post data factoid indicates that maybe you need to step away from keyboard, lay off the computer and this forum for a few hours, and enjoy the beautiful day outside. Seriously have a good day from this "typical Cortland fan".
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Originally posted by Mission View PostGlad your daughter is playing D3, I am sure she earned/deserves it. The commentary within this thread should not lead you to assume that the prior coach was completely at fault -- nobody is perfect, and I haven't met a perfect coach yet. Additionally, specifically related to hockey the administration is a huge enabler to success or lack thereof hockey-wise. Perhaps Cortland didn't offer your daughter or pursue her strongly because at the time they may of had higher priority recruits coming in at same position, or maybe it was "fit", etc. etc. Really no need to throw a now ex-coach who maybe didn't recruit her hard for reasons unknown under the bus.
Best of luck to your daughter and whatever team she is on this upcoming season.
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