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schiegs
09-07-2016, 03:30 PM
http://atlantichockeyonline.com/news/2016/9/7/MHOCKEY_0907163448.aspx

On paper, this would be a challenge for AFA, Army, and RIT, as scholarships are moot. Meanwhile, their brethren can now add more juice.

Ed Trefzger
09-07-2016, 04:49 PM
Boosting the rest of the league boosts the ability of those teams also to recruit. As does the improvement of the three home arenas mentioned in the article.

Blitz
09-07-2016, 05:15 PM
Very welcome news, will this take affect for the 2017 / 2018 season?

This will close the gap significantly. While they mention all teams voted in favour, I suspect a small percentage will likely not award the full amount of 18. Will be interesting in a few years to see the competitive landscape within the conference.

AKSWF
09-07-2016, 05:45 PM
Good to see!

uaafanblog
09-07-2016, 06:08 PM
Anyone in the WCHA thinking that they may poach a team or two from AHA can kiss that fantasy goodbye. If UAA and UAF end, then you can pretty much kiss the WCHA goodbye before 2020 and say hello to a reformed CCHA.

Bill
09-07-2016, 06:40 PM
Anyone in the WCHA thinking that they may poach a team or two from AHA can kiss that fantasy goodbye. If UAA and UAF end, then you can pretty much kiss the WCHA goodbye before 2020 and say hello to a reformed CCHA.I agree with that. I see teams being added from AHA only if we lose UAA and UAF, and in that case it most likely would be under a resurrected CCHA name. And if Minnesota State does wind up going to the NCHC in a few seasons, that would create room for even another AHA team if they were interested.

RSTuthill
09-07-2016, 07:01 PM
This is very good news although I am concerned that this may price the sport beyond the reach of some schools. I am almost more excited about the arena news.

Go___Tech_Gold
09-08-2016, 12:19 AM
Very welcome news, will this take affect for the 2017 / 2018 season?

This will close the gap significantly. While they mention all teams voted in favour, I suspect a small percentage will likely not award the full amount of 18. Will be interesting in a few years to see the competitive landscape within the conference.

No they will all award 18.

All it costs the school to increase from 16 to 18 is a seat in a classroom and a dorm room. They don't pay the students.

FlagDUDE08
09-08-2016, 04:24 AM
No they will all award 18.

All it costs the school to increase from 16 to 18 is a seat in a classroom and a dorm room. They don't pay the students.

I guarantee at least one of them won't offer any. ;)

Just because they're allotted 18 doesn't mean they have to give them. I wonder if some of the eastern AHC schools give any for ice hockey at all; UCONN didn't when they were in the AHA.

StimulisRK
09-08-2016, 07:58 AM
RIT, AFA, and Army still cannot give any athletic scholarships however, correct?

joecct
09-08-2016, 08:02 AM
RIT, AFA, and Army still cannot give any athletic scholarships however, correct?

Along with the Ivies and Union, those are the only ones.

kwm4385
09-08-2016, 09:32 AM
Well technically the service academies don't give scholarships because tuition is already $0.

The Ivies as a group choose not to give athletic scholarships, but they aren't prohibited from doing so.

RIT and Union are the only teams prohibited by the NCAA from giving scholarships. Union chose not to join the grandfather clause allowing D3 playups to give them (and still expresses no interest in doing so).
RIT went D1 after the rule was made and therefore is the only school not giving scholarships against their will.

Critical Thinker
09-08-2016, 11:57 AM
This is probably a dumb question, but could the AFA join a western conference now? What's the incentive to stay in AH if they can schedule Army non-conference?

blazer777
09-08-2016, 12:18 PM
This is probably a dumb question, but could the AFA join a western conference now? What's the incentive to stay in AH if they can schedule Army non-conference?

Might be because they get to play Army two to three times a year in the AHA and only once if they weren't in the conference. Plus...with Navy joining D-1 in hockey and the AHA, it's a party! (please note, I have no evidence to support this statement!) :D

Back to scholarships, it's a shame the NCAA has a rule that reduces a teams ability to compete (not that RIT is hurting from it for the most part) but imagine if they could offer them, I think they would!

Patman
09-08-2016, 12:21 PM
Along with the Ivies and Union, those are the only ones.

That is a choice of the Ivy League, of course

Go___Tech_Gold
09-08-2016, 02:52 PM
Might be because they get to play Army two to three times a year in the AHA and only once if they weren't in the conference. Plus...with Navy joining D-1 in hockey and the AHA, it's a party! (please note, I have no evidence to support this statement!) :D

Back to scholarships, it's a shame the NCAA has a rule that reduces a teams ability to compete (not that RIT is hurting from it for the most part) but imagine if they could offer them, I think they would!

They have to draw the line somewhere, 18 scholarships is a lot.

Go___Tech_Gold
09-08-2016, 02:54 PM
Well technically the service academies don't give scholarships because tuition is already $0.

The Ivies as a group choose not to give athletic scholarships, but they aren't prohibited from doing so.

RIT and Union are the only teams prohibited by the NCAA from giving scholarships. Union chose not to join the grandfather clause allowing D3 playups to give them (and still expresses no interest in doing so).
RIT went D1 after the rule was made and therefore is the only school not giving scholarships against their will.

Ivy students are rich and therefore don't need the money. Money doesn't always matter. The academy students don't pay tuition but are bound to work for the branch for a set number of years after graduation. Is that a scholarship? I'd say so, everyone has to work somewhere. They know that deal going in.

Go___Tech_Gold
09-08-2016, 02:57 PM
RIT, AFA, and Army still cannot give any athletic scholarships however, correct?

Technically AFA and Army are the only schools that can give more than 18 scholarships the whole team is on scholarship.

The NCAA rule says only 18 hockey specific scholarships but a school can give everyone a scholarship and that's ok.

Go___Tech_Gold
09-08-2016, 03:02 PM
I guarantee at least one of them won't offer any. ;)

Just because they're allotted 18 doesn't mean they have to give them. I wonder if some of the eastern AHC schools give any for ice hockey at all; UCONN didn't when they were in the AHA.

Some don't offer any at all that is right, like Ivy League because their students are rich or get other financial aid and money doesn't matter so they wouldn't be there in the first place if it was an issue.

But if a school bothers to offer 16 they will offer 18 it's the same thing at that point. Otherwise they are crippling their team's recruiting and not actually trying to win. 2 more seats in a classroom and 2 more people who get to share a dorm room and cafeteria seat won't bankrupt any schools. They get no other compensation.

The unusual 16 limit was designed to keep bigger schools out of the conference but eventually Army and Air Force joined which actually can offer more than 18 since all the students are on scholarship, since they are not hockey-specific it was a loophole, finally rendered moot by this change.

Blitz
09-08-2016, 03:07 PM
Atlantic is currently 14 Scholarships, raising to 18.

Ivy league colleges have no athletic scholarships but everyone is entitled to needs based financial assistance so no issue with attracting kids and competing. RIT is also needs based financial assistance no issue there, Army and Air Force free for serving.

With going from 14 to 18 it means another four chairs in the classroom, room and board which negates income from other paying students. While it does not sound like much, to some colleges with very low enrollments and little by way of sponsors I believe some will not partake in issuing all 18.

As of late I am hearing good things with AIC starting to show a strong desire to compete, and Bentley in the throws of building a new facility to name just two things. Everything is positive moving forward as a conference, and for NCAA as a whole.