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PuckVoice
12-03-2016, 10:01 AM
Attendance numbers are always relative too .. We drew 1, 724 last night ... Compare that with ...
Army .. 1, 516
Princeton ... 1, 587
St. Lawrence ... 1, 426
Alaska Anchorage ... 612
Plattsburgh ... 1, 601
Wisconsin Stevens Point ... 657
Middlebury ... 474

I think you get the idea ....

NU Pastime
12-03-2016, 10:42 AM
Attendance numbers are always relative too .. We drew 1, 724 last night ... Compare that with ...
Army .. 1, 516
Princeton ... 1, 587
St. Lawrence ... 1, 426
Alaska Anchorage ... 612
Plattsburgh ... 1, 601
Wisconsin Stevens Point ... 657
Middlebury ... 474

I think you get the idea ....

Are we perhaps exaggerating the attendance decline too? When people talk about the "glory days" they're probably talking about days before I first got on campus in 2009. Being from Illinois, I had never heard of Plattsburgh or Trinity or Middlebury. But, as a freshman, I remember being really impressed, almost shocked, at how big of a deal DIII hockey was and how big the crowds were. I vividly remember during the 2009-2010 season standing two or three rows deep at the railing and watching the Cadets slaughter people.

So I looked up the attendance from some of those games I remember (based on score) and I guess it was in the last year of the interlock since they were almost all against NESCAC teams. Hamilton, Wesleyan, and Trinity drew crowds of 1400, 1400, and 1700, respectively. Plattsburgh, played at the Primelink and in early January when the students were gone, drew 1000 and 1200. Only big difference I see is Castleton and Middlebury being sellouts, where last year both drew below 1000.

But, given historical context, 1724 against a conference contender but not a traditional rival seems to be rather in line with past numbers.

KRBFLINT03
12-03-2016, 11:05 AM
Are we perhaps exaggerating the attendance decline too? When people talk about the "glory days" they're probably talking about days before I first got on campus in 2009. Being from Illinois, I had never heard of Plattsburgh or Trinity or Middlebury. But, as a freshman, I remember being really impressed, almost shocked, at how big of a deal DIII hockey was and how big the crowds were. I vividly remember during the 2009-2010 season standing two or three rows deep at the railing and watching the Cadets slaughter people.

So I looked up the attendance from some of those games I remember (based on score) and I guess it was in the last year of the interlock since they were almost all against NESCAC teams. Hamilton, Wesleyan, and Trinity drew crowds of 1400, 1400, and 1700, respectively. Plattsburgh, played at the Primelink and in early January when the students were gone, drew 1000 and 1200. Only big difference I see is Castleton and Middlebury being sellouts, where last year both drew below 1000.

But, given historical context, 1724 against a conference contender but not a traditional rival seems to be rather in line with past numbers.

I am extremely skeptical of that number given the sea of empty maroon seats

NU Pastime
12-03-2016, 12:07 PM
I am extremely skeptical of that number given the sea of empty maroon seats

Well tickets sold is always different than actual attendance, but I think pretty much every level of athletics goes by tickets sold for official attendance numbers.

KRBFLINT03
12-03-2016, 12:25 PM
Well tickets sold is always different than actual attendance, but I think pretty much every level of athletics goes by tickets sold for official attendance numbers.

Exactly. I fully believe that many tickets were sold. I really think the biggest issue is season ticket holders staying home. The students don't sit in those sections, if they sit at all, anyway. I believe those tickets were sold and the purchasers chose not to come.

joecct
12-03-2016, 12:27 PM
I am extremely skeptical of that number given the sea of empty maroon seats

Tickets sold vs. Fannies in the seats.

PSUChamps2001
12-03-2016, 12:29 PM
For Sticks and Giggles....

Comparing 2001-2002 with 2016-2017 Average Attendance:

Positive Gains:
Utica +2067
GENESEO +1635
OSWEGO +1263
CORTLAND +540
FITCHBURG +521
PLYM STATE +466
ST.AS +425
LAWRENCE +387


NEGATIVE ATTENDANCE
MIDDLEBURY -1568
ELMIRA -739
NEC -693
HAMILTON -630
MSOE -512
TRINITY -368
SNC -343
WILLIAMS -276
BOWDOIN -257
COLBY --237
UWS -230
ST.MARY -218
POTSDAM -204

OTHER NOTABLES
PLATTSBURGH -41
NORWICH +2
HOBART +193
BROCKPORT +240
UWSP +286

I will also say this too - Compared to the early 90's, especially at Plattsburgh, it has dropped big time but that has more to do with the base closing. These new fancy rinks, and all the technology (radio/video/live stats) it's just not worth it. On top of that the lack of "fun" allowed at rinks these days has gone out the window. I know I don't say and do the things I use to do 15 years ago at games, but kids these days are basically told to sit on their hands and give princess claps when the team scores. No more ragging on opposing players, no more yelling at the coach, no more giving it to the reffs, no more white boards, no more noisemakers, no more 4 letter word chants. And I love the people who say "well they're students"....yup and if most American hockey fans spent a season up in Canada and most of the Junior leagues these "kids" (most 20+ year old freshman :rolleyes: ) are very very very well use to being ribbed during a game.

I've said it a million times. I may have been an *** during the game, but I'd be the first to buy you a beer after it. Player or fan. Opposing teams loved going into hostile environments. Sure having beer bottles chucked at you in Middlebury wasn't fun, or tussles at Maxy Hall when you steal the Bears mascot's head in the bathroom, the bagel/tennis ball nights, or the the white board chats we would have back in forth in Oswego probably were not good for 8 year olds eyes, but kids (college age and slightly there after) were allowed to be kids and it made for a much more entertaining night at the game. These "kids" don't want to go to a game now days and be told to sit down, and only clap when your team scores and don't say anything to the other team and or fans, or you will be kicked out. Thus they can stay back home, drink some...umm...beverages, and check in on the game here and there. But in our "everyone deserves a ribbon" world we live in, the NCAA has such a tight grip on the level of fun, it won't change any time soon.

Birdwatcher
12-03-2016, 12:39 PM
For Sticks and Giggles....

Comparing 2001-2002 with 2016-2017 Average Attendance:

Positive Gains:
Utica +2067
GENESEO +1635
OSWEGO +1263
CORTLAND +540
FITCHBURG +521
PLYM STATE +466
ST.AS +425
LAWRENCE +387


NEGATIVE ATTENDANCE
MIDDLEBURY -1568
ELMIRA -739
NEC -693
HAMILTON -630
MSOE -512
TRINITY -368
SNC -343
WILLIAMS -276
BOWDOIN -257
COLBY --237
UWS -230
ST.MARY -218
POTSDAM -204

OTHER NOTABLES
PLATTSBURGH -41
NORWICH +2
HOBART +193
BROCKPORT +240
UWSP +286

PLATTSBURGH -41 It appears the Stafford renovations have really not affected the attendance

KRBFLINT03
12-03-2016, 01:06 PM
Tickets sold vs. Fannies in the seats.

Yes, I referenced that. My post was in response to George's (we DREW 1700 whatever). We may have sold that many, but we definitely didn't draw that many. Semantics nonetheless

NU Pastime
12-03-2016, 04:00 PM
For Sticks and Giggles....



****. That was a helluva post.

KRBFLINT03
12-03-2016, 04:59 PM
I think Jamie Rice will regret that he pulled the goalie so early. Regardless, great job to sweep the weekend.

As improved as the Cadets are on offense this year, I've been even more impressed with the defense. Overall, much better discipline this season, in my opinion. Still too many lapses, but looking solid.

My post about our 2 "#1" goalies turned out to be well-timed after Reichenbach turned in a gem today.

Forward, Cadets!

peddler
12-03-2016, 05:59 PM
I am extremely skeptical of that number given the sea of empty maroon seats

What I noticed at the game tonight was that the sea of empty seats was notable to me during the anthems (especially for a Babson game), but the cheers at the end of the game came from a fairly full, if not overflowing, house.

17'sfanNU
12-03-2016, 07:10 PM
Good win overall tonight, I thought Norwich dominated the game, but still we are off on our passing. Most of the passes were behind the player it was supposed to go to, and we still passed to the opponent too many times in our defensive zone. However... we maintained even pressure and blocked or poke checked a lot of pucks away from Babson. Ty did a great job in net, how lucky are we to have two excellent goalies on our team? We haven't yet seen our 3rd goalie yet, so we can't judge him, but I doubt he would be on the team if McShane didn't think he had potential. Again, I really like Jackson's defensive and offensive play, he is always in the mix and I thought Lewis and Thompson also played well. Well done Cadets! See you Tuesday night against St. Mike's who had a great weekend beating Babson and getting a tie with UMB. My guess is that we are going to see a improved or at least inspired team!

KRBFLINT03
12-03-2016, 07:45 PM
What I noticed at the game tonight was that the sea of empty seats was notable to me during the anthems (especially for a Babson game), but the cheers at the end of the game came from a fairly full, if not overflowing, house.

I thought the same thing today. Pretty full by the end. Certainly appeared to be more full than last night

NUProf
12-03-2016, 08:00 PM
It just feels like a great college atmosphere when there's pep band there. I wonder if they'd be welcomed at a varsity game?

Why not is it an issue with the support of the band director? The last band director who got the band to the games was a fan and made sure it happened. There's a lot of politics that goes on. As I said before - things go in cycles. One leadership group in the Corps wants to show up their processors by undoing what they did to show that they are "better." Norwich traditions (as in "we've always done it that way") tend to last 6-10 years, then the tradition changes. I wish it weren't that way, but sometimes that's what happens. The Seniors when I left wouldn't have been able to remember when the band didn't come to the games. Then it stopped, and now none of the current students remember when it happened. There's tons of good stuff that happens at Norwich, but there's a lot of for-de-rol that happens, too.

NU Pastime
12-03-2016, 09:15 PM
No idea what for-de-rol means, though I can guess. As for the band, all it takes is the Regimental Commander looking at the provisional battalion commander during Monday command and staff and saying "I want the band at hockey games" and it should be happen. A heads up to Mariano or whoever would probably be a courteous gesture, but otherwise, it's pretty simple.

KRBFLINT03
12-03-2016, 09:19 PM
No idea what for-de-rol means, though I can guess. As for the band, all it takes is the Regimental Commander looking at the provisional battalion commander during Monday command and staff and saying "I want the band at hockey games" and it should be happen. A heads up to Mariano or whoever would probably be a courteous gesture, but otherwise, it's pretty simple.

I know for a fact football has gotten a number of things just by asking. Do we know if the hockey program would like the band there? It's such a part of college hockey, it would make sense to have them there.

NUProf
12-04-2016, 01:58 AM
No idea what for-de-rol means, though I can guess. As for the band, all it takes is the Regimental Commander looking at the provisional battalion commander during Monday command and staff and saying "I want the band at hockey games" and it should be happen. A heads up to Mariano or whoever would probably be a courteous gesture, but otherwise, it's pretty simple.

It really did add a lot to the atmosphere. The band director retired, somebody else took over, and the band was never seen again at Krietzberg.

NU56
12-04-2016, 06:54 AM
Why not is it an issue with the support of the band director? The last band director who got the band to the games was a fan and made sure it happened. There's a lot of politics that goes on. As I said before - things go in cycles. One leadership group in the Corps wants to show up their processors by undoing what they did to show that they are "better." Norwich traditions (as in "we've always done it that way") tend to last 6-10 years, then the tradition changes. I wish it weren't that way, but sometimes that's what happens. The Seniors when I left wouldn't have been able to remember when the band didn't come to the games. Then it stopped, and now none of the current students remember when it happened. There's tons of good stuff that happens at Norwich, but there's a lot of for-de-rol that happens, too.

Some things never change. Only the uniforms, the civilians, the rink, and the trees on the upper parade. But Norwich is a great place which certainly did a lot for me.
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joecct
12-04-2016, 02:07 PM
It really did add a lot to the atmosphere. The band director retired, somebody else took over, and the band was never seen again at Krietzberg.

Well then, somebody has to stand up to the band! :)