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4four4
04-25-2016, 11:55 PM
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/04/25/arizona-st-hockey-big-ten-wcha-nchc/#.Vx7slQoSXml.twitter

gfmorris
04-26-2016, 05:25 AM
"So you're saying there's a chance." — WCHA commissioner Bill Robertson.

GFM

SJHovey
04-26-2016, 08:12 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I really hope that ASU does not join the NCHC. I see nothing good from that. Odd number of teams, no real connection to the rest of the schools, no hockey building, no hockey history.

If the NCHC were the only option for ASU, then obviously for the good of the sport I'd vote to let them in. But we're not, so let them go elsewhere.

If this happens, the only person who will be happy will be my dad, who spends his winters in AZ.

Dirty
04-26-2016, 08:14 AM
If this happens, the only person who will be happy will be my dad, who spends his winters in AZ.

And me! Staying at my parents place for free. Sweet deal!

QUAlum2004
04-26-2016, 08:14 AM
WCHA makes the most sense for now until other Pac-12 members step up to the plate. The WCHA should also then bring Air Force in to make 12 teams.

blackswampboy
04-26-2016, 08:54 AM
WCHA makes the most sense for now until other Pac-12 members step up to the plate. The WCHA should also then bring Air Force in to make 12 teams.

meh. no thanks, we'll leave all that extra travel to the nachos. they'll enjoy it.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
04-26-2016, 09:05 AM
Good.

I hope they go to the Nacho. I don't know that the WCHA can handle the extra travel.

davyd83
04-26-2016, 09:11 AM
WCHA makes the most sense for now until other Pac-12 members step up to the plate. The WCHA should also then bring Air Force in to make 12 teams.

Air Force wants to be with Army. If not with Army, Air Force belongs with Denver & CC. There's no logical reason whatsoever the have Air Force in the WCHA.

JohnsonsJerseys
04-26-2016, 09:50 AM
There's no logical reason whatsoever the have Air Force in the WCHA.Think about the low cost chartered flights they could provide the league. Granted, you have to jump out 2000' above the rink, but very low cost travel. Remember the WCHA is broke. We have to look at all cost saving measures that are possible.
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I really hope that ASU does not join the NCHC. ...no hockey history.
If the NCHC were the only option for ASU, then obviously for the good of the sport I'd vote to let them in.
ASU - No hockey history? ASU would beg to differ and would look squarely at UNO already nestled firmly in the NCHC.
The second statement shall be stricken from the record as Denver and UND have no interest in doing anything for the good of the sport. You must be like minded so that opinion is not valid.
Ryan J

Dirty
04-26-2016, 10:19 AM
Oh the butthurt will just never end, will it? So amusing!

SJHovey
04-26-2016, 10:31 AM
Here are my two primary objections to ASU joining the NCHC.

First, they don't fit with our teams. There is no geographic connection. There is no sports connection. No common television package. Nothing. At each of the NCHC schools, hockey is the program or one of the most important programs at the school in terms of revenue, fan support, etc... Maybe only at Miami where football is popular is this not the case.

Hockey at ASU is going to be like girls field hockey. It'll make the sixth page of the campus paper, but that's it. ASU is a football school. It's a basketball school. It's a baseball school. Heck, volleyball and water polo are probably more popular at ASU than hockey ever will be.

ASU and the NCHC schools simply think about hockey and athletics in different ways.

Second, I haven't been that impressed with how they have gone about the formation of their program. Now, that doesn't mean they are doomed to failure. I just don't think they've gone about it in the same was as say Penn St., and as a consequence, we could see some problems down the line.

The article written by their coach that was floating around in the last couple of weeks is case in point.

He was called by a reporter and asked how much money it would take to start at Division 1 hockey program, and off the cuff he just threw out the figure $30 or 40 million. That's it. That's how much thought was put into it. No disrespect to Powers, but I don't think he really had any idea what it would cost to effectively start and maintain a hockey program. I would have liked to have seen a little more thought and planning put into it.

I hope they are successful. I just hope they do it somewhere else.

5mn_Major
04-26-2016, 10:31 AM
Good for the B1G. But if ASU struggles to find a home or that home is underwhelming for them, it could damper the honeymoon example of PSU for schools looking to add new programs.

SJHovey
04-26-2016, 10:58 AM
Good for the B1G. But if ASU struggles to find a home or that home is underwhelming for them, it could damper the honeymoon example of PSU for schools looking to add new programs.Oddly enough, the B1G really is the best fit for ASU. Geographically it isn't great, but the B1G seems less concerned about geography all the time anyway.

But in terms of having athletic programs with a national brand, and where hockey will take a back seat to the biggies like football and basketball, ASU matches perfectly with the B1G. The B1G could also use an extra team right now to get to an even number.

My guess is that either the B1G was concerned about some of the same business aspects of ASU's program that I am, or they just couldn't make things work with respect to their respective conference affiliations and tv networks. Too bad, because it does seem like in the short term it would have been the best fit.

SteveO
04-26-2016, 11:16 AM
The issue with the Big Ten typically begins with academic standing and membership with the AAU. Notre Dame is the only exception to their admission requirement as an affiliate, but their relatively high undergrad ranking and academic reputation, as well as name brand was enough to pass the B1G litmus test. Although a potential PAC-12/Big Ten connection appeared to be an attractive speculation for BTN media revenue, apparently ASU was too much of an exception as an affiliate.

Bill
04-26-2016, 11:26 AM
ASU most logically fits with the B1G conference. If the B1G doesn't want ASU at this time, I think it's more likely because of the arena issue rather than the affiliate issue referenced in the article.

St. Clown
04-26-2016, 11:33 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing ASU end up in Hockey East.



If ASU does end up in the NCHC, then I could see the NCHC trying to snipe Mankato State from the WCHA in order to keep an even count of teams in the league.

LSSULaker889294
04-26-2016, 11:45 AM
meh. no thanks, we'll leave all that extra travel to the nachos. they'll enjoy it.

I am sure teams like LSSU, Ferris State and Bowling Green are highly against ASU joining because of the travel.

giwan
04-26-2016, 11:45 AM
The issue with the Big Ten typically begins with academic standing and membership with the AAU. Notre Dame is the only exception to their admission requirement as an affiliate, but their relatively high undergrad ranking and academic reputation, as well as name brand was enough to pass the B1G litmus test. Although a potential PAC-12/Big Ten connection appeared to be an attractive speculation for BTN media revenue, apparently ASU was too much of an exception as an affiliate.

Once you make exceptions there is no rule.

SiouxFanatic
04-26-2016, 11:49 AM
If ASU does end up in the NCHC, then I could see the NCHC trying to snipe Mankato State from the WCHA in order to keep an even count of teams in the league.

Which would only add more reason for Miami and Western Michigan to leave the NCHC. If ASU goes NCHC and an 10th member has to be added, it should be Bowling Green or another Michigan school as I'm sure they(Miami/WMU) wouldn't be thrilled at having to travel even further with the addition of ASU. Either way though, it'd probably only just delay vs prevent the re-creation of the CCHA. Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if the CCHA came back in some form.

SteveO
04-26-2016, 12:00 PM
Once you make exceptions there is no rule.

It's both a qualitative and quantitative measure that largely depends on the academic range of exception. On the arena issue, ASU had an average of over 5,000 fans in attendance for three games at the Coyotes' Gila River Arena this past season. A joint venture with the Coyotes on venue is being discussed.