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SteveP
04-17-2016, 07:55 AM
Could be sooner than later (http://blogs.theprovince.com/2016/04/16/simon-fraser-clan-setting-bold-sights-in-pursuit-of-landing-an-ncaa-mens-div-1-hockey-program/).


BURNABY ó Theresa Hanson is only four months into her tenure as the new athletic director at Simon Frsser University, yet she has already begun to lay the groundwork for what could be one of the most substantial start-ups in the 51-year history of Clan athletics.

Hanson told The Province on Thursday that SFU is putting togther a plan aimed at bringing an NCAA Div. 1 menís hockey program to the school.

sm2pk
04-17-2016, 08:18 AM
I always wondered why a Canadian school wasn't playing NCAA Division 1 hockey. Canadian teams and American teams play each other at the pro level and have been forever.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
04-17-2016, 08:22 AM
I always wondered why a Canadian school wasn't playing NCAA Division 1 hockey. Canadian teams and American teams play each other at the pro level and have been forever.

Naturally it's because of the lack of Canadian ncaa membership.

mookie1995
04-17-2016, 09:05 AM
Naturally it's because of the lack of Canadian ncaa membership.

This would hold things up

Carmine Scarpaglia
04-17-2016, 09:09 AM
SFU "Clan" doesn't sound hostile and abusive. NCAA will welcome that nickname with open arms. Sioux on the other hand... So so hostile

Bradz
04-17-2016, 09:52 AM
This would hold things up

SFU is a member of the NCAA, and play at the D-II level, including playing the two teams from Alaska so this would be a great thing for D-I hockey. SFU also would be able to recruit many of the top Canadian players from Canadian Tier II who are being recruited now into universities in the States.

Buckeye22
04-17-2016, 09:53 AM
This would hold things up

Simon Fraser is already in the NCAA. They're the first and only Canadian school. They play in Division II in the Great Northwest Athletic Conference, the same conference as Alaska and Alaska-Anchorage. Their hockey team is currently a club in the BCIHL. They play in an off campus arena, but they're the major tenant and it's big enough for DI hockey. Since there's no DII tournament, I'm pretty sure NCAA rules would immediately allow SFU to play up in DI if they chose to go varsity.

Bradz
04-17-2016, 10:27 AM
They play at the Copeland Rink which only seats about 1,500 but there are other venues close if the NCAA needed more seating. If it got off the ground it wouldn't be a surprise for SFU to build their own rink. What they have now is more of what would be considered a Club Team in the States, and the League they play in is not good.

joecct
04-17-2016, 10:41 AM
Simon Fraser is already in the NCAA. They're the first and only Canadian school. They play in Division II in the Great Northwest Athletic Conference, the same conference as Alaska and Alaska-Anchorage. Their hockey team is currently a club in the BCIHL. They play in an off campus arena, but they're the major tenant and it's big enough for DI hockey. Since there's no DII tournament, I'm pretty sure NCAA rules would immediately allow SFU to play up in DI if they chose to go varsity.

The NCAA does. See Legislation #2010-100.

aparch
04-17-2016, 05:43 PM
The NCAA does. See Legislation #2010-100.

I am slightly confused about the 2010-100 rule (http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/search/label/NCAA%20Policy%202010-100).

But what I can figure, is that they've paid their dues. Legislation 2010-100 states:

A requirement that all new Division I members first spend at least five years as active members in Division II
And best I can figure:

On July 10, 2009 the NCAA approved SFU's bid to join NCAA Division II starting in 2011–12, where SFU intended to compete in the Great Northwest Athletic Conference. However, Canada West, the CIS association the SFU teams were scheduled to play in, issued a probation on all SFU teams for the 2010–11 season, leading to speculation that Clan teams would not have conference to play in. The GNAC admitted SFU one year earlier than planned as a full conference member in time for the 2010–11 season.

By my estimation, they've played five years at the D2 level, meeting the first requirement of 2010-100. The only hitch I can find is the SECOND bullet point of 2010-100:

New Division I members must have a bona fide offer of membership from a Division I multisport voting conference.

So do they have to join Mountain West? or Pac-12? The WCHA and NCHC are not multi-sport conferences.

Patman
04-17-2016, 05:50 PM
As far as I know they can move up a single sport in each gender w/o a bigger change in classification.

Similar to RIT except SF could offer scholarships

UAHStatman
04-17-2016, 07:55 PM
I am slightly confused about the 2010-100 rule (http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/search/label/NCAA%20Policy%202010-100).

But what I can figure, is that they've paid their dues. Legislation 2010-100 states:

And best I can figure:


By my estimation, they've played five years at the D2 level, meeting the first requirement of 2010-100. The only hitch I can find is the SECOND bullet point of 2010-100:


So do they have to join Mountain West? or Pac-12? The WCHA and NCHC are not multi-sport conferences.

That's if Simon Fraser wants to be a full Division I athletics program, which is not what the article specified. If SFU decides to go with varsity hockey, they would be eligible for the Division I championship via Rule 20.8.2 (play up when there's no Division II championship). Other than that, the hockey program would still need to follow Division I rules, but there's no transitional period.

JohnsonsJerseys
04-17-2016, 08:38 PM
I'm not sure if adding Canadian programs would be a logistical nightmare, but I think if they can make it work, it would be a great addition to college hockey. Other than International travel concerns, it couldn't be any worse than going to AK and teams have found ways to make that work.
Ryan J

aparch
04-17-2016, 10:56 PM
Each universities NCAA compliance would now be in charge of passports and visas. It would be a once a year thing (potentially twice with playoffs) but could be a huge headache for students and staff if it doesn't go smoothly.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
04-17-2016, 11:00 PM
I'm not sure if adding Canadian programs would be a logistical nightmare, but I think if they can make it work, it would be a great addition to college hockey. Other than International travel concerns, it couldn't be any worse than going to AK and teams have found ways to make that work.
Ryan J

The biggest downside is that they would presumably end up with UAA and UA(F), which makes the already difficult travel situation for the nWCHA that much worse.

Jimjamesak
04-17-2016, 11:18 PM
Each universities NCAA compliance would now be in charge of passports and visas. It would be a once a year thing (potentially twice with playoffs) but could be a huge headache for students and staff if it doesn't go smoothly.
Haven't heard of any problems among the GNAC schools.

Buckeye22
04-18-2016, 02:06 AM
Haven't heard of any problems among the GNAC schools.

Ya I imagine they've already had to figure this out to join the NCAA in the first place. I don't think it would be an issue.

Squarebanks
04-18-2016, 01:22 PM
Each universities NCAA compliance would now be in charge of passports and visas. It would be a once a year thing (potentially twice with playoffs) but could be a huge headache for students and staff if it doesn't go smoothly.

Hasn't been an issue in the GNAC. Besides, most college hockey teams have their fair share of Canadians on the roster anyway. And, you don't need a Visa to visit Canada as a US or EU citizen.

SFU has been a good add for the GNAC. With SFU the conference, and schools in it, now have coverage in all three major Pacific NW cities (Portland, Seattle, Vancouver). Having the WCHA get coverage in Vancouver would not be a bad thing.

Patman
04-18-2016, 01:53 PM
I always wondered why a Canadian school wasn't playing NCAA Division 1 hockey. Canadian teams and American teams play each other at the pro level and have been forever.

SFU is the only NCAA school in Canada and wouldn't be possible without that NCAA membership. If this were to take hold to a more serious degree (hypothetically) i would expect some extreme (Canadian) governmental lobbying by the CHL

Edit: iirc, many moons ago UBC made overtures but nothing developed... Ya never know

Buckeye22
04-18-2016, 03:21 PM
SFU is the only NCAA school in Canada and wouldn't be possible without that NCAA membership. If this were to take hold to a more serious degree (hypothetically) i would expect some extreme (Canadian) governmental lobbying by the CHL

Edit: iirc, many moons ago UBC made overtures but nothing developed... Ya never know

Ya I think UBC announced a few year back that they were abandoning any consideration of NCAA membership. It would be interesting to see if a successful SFU NCAA team could encourage them to change their minds. UBC already as an on-campus arena that seats over 5000 for hockey. But agreed, I think the CHL would do everything in its power to stop the spread of NCAA hockey into Canada.