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Sean Pickett
03-27-2016, 12:34 PM
Over in the women's forum an article about Gopher men's attendance came up. In the article revenue for several schools, including Providence, was reported and I was very interested in PC's reported revenue of $3.3 million for the 2014-15 season. In looking for those numbers I got sidetracked by the NCAA's DI Revenues & Expenses Report for 2004-14. It breaks down everything into the Football Bowl Subdivision, Football Championship Subdivision and without Football. In looking at the ice hockey numbers for revenues and expenses and coaching salaries I immediately noticed an interesting thing: both FBS and non-football schools spend more on men's and women's ice hockey then FCS schools do. And I'm taking about a small difference, the median expenses for FCS schools is over a $1 million less for men's teams and about a $1 million less for women's teams. I created a spreadsheet with 2014 Hockey Revenues & Expenses (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k5QdU2RPVD8LzsHhR4snwnVhS9xZEcr6Hch6rtKEhaY/edit?usp=sharing) using the numbers from the NCAA report (I added "Actual Net Difference" columns as the NCAA appears to use fuzzy math).

I know in the Maine thread here there has been a lot of discussion about the impact of their football program on the hockey team and these numbers appear to confirm that FCS football does indeed impact hockey programs at those schools.

Sean

LtPowers
03-27-2016, 01:08 PM
Off the top of my head, I'd say it makes sense. FBS schools are the "haves", the ones with plenty of money to spend on athletics and plenty of money coming in on licensing and sponsorships. Schools without football are more likely to have hockey as their signature sport, so they'd spend more on it than FCS schools, which have less income than FBS schools but still have to support a football team.


Powers &8^]

BoSox3066
03-27-2016, 01:17 PM
How did you account for schools with non Division 1 football such as Merrimack or Bentley?

How many schools nationally actually have FCS football and hockey? 10? Most of which are in the Ivy league which has unique financials? I can think of 4 that arent: Maine, UNH, Holy Cross and Colgate....kind of a small sampe size.

MGoBlueHockey
03-27-2016, 01:17 PM
Wait a minute.

Minnesota has football?!

Happy
03-27-2016, 01:40 PM
Wait a minute.

Minnesota has football?!

We have managed to beat you 25 times.

The Zlax45
03-27-2016, 01:50 PM
And in Providence's case, the hoops team is the marquee program.

Sean Pickett
03-27-2016, 01:58 PM
How did you account for schools with non Division 1 football such as Merrimack or Bentley?I don't know how the NCAA accounts for them, but I would gues they are not included in the DI report.


How many schools nationally actually have FCS football and hockey? 10? Most of which are in the Ivy league which has unique financials? I can think of 4 that arent: Maine, UNH, Holy Cross and Colgate....kind of a small sampe size.According to a Wikipedia List of NCAA Division I FCS football programs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_Division_I_FCS_football_programs) I see 13 schools that also have ice hockey:
Brown University
Colgate University
College of the Holy Cross
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Harvard University
Princeton University
Robert Morris University
Sacred Heart University
University of Maine
University of New Hampshire
University of North Dakota
Yale University

As for a small sample size, there are only 16 FBS schools with ice hockey (Syracuse has women's only) and 10 DI non-football schools (if I counted correctly).

Sean

GrinCDXX
03-27-2016, 02:05 PM
Wait a minute.

Minnesota has football?!

Funny, the same joke was being made about Michigan not all that long ago.

Patman
03-27-2016, 02:17 PM
Funny, the same joke was being made about Michigan that all that long ago.

Michigan.... foo... what? *mind blown*... i gotta sit down