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  • #421
    Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

    Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    By this line of thinking, New Hampshire should consider bolting and Maine should close up shop.
    To be fair, these two schools don't stand in front of a mirror and tell themselves how special they are in every way like our conference-jumping friends from South Bend do.

    This isn't nam, there are rules.
    Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010
    The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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    • #422
      Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

      I'm not convinced it had to do with not winning the league because in that time, ND has still been pretty good. Notre dame is a whore, simple as that. The NCHC said no thanks to NDs NBC demands, joe bertagna bent over and took it.

      Now, if i have it right, not only will ND now be on the BTN but the big ten is also allowing them to keep their NBC contract for home games. Is that correct? Couple that with being able to reduce travel, getting back to normal rivalries like michigan and msu, etc...really an easy decision for ND. I just hate the bertagna and company acquiesced in adding ND to hockey east. **** notre dame.

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      • #423
        Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

        Originally posted by mnstate0fhockey View Post
        They had talks with the B1G first. Actually, it sounds like those talks never really stopped. The B1G initially was insisting that they join for all sports. They then went to the NCHC, but negotiations got hung up on Notre Dame's NBC TV contract. The NCHC wanted a conference wide contract. Hockey East was willing to let Notre Dame keep it's TV contract.

        Honestly, I don't think anyone should feel like they need to save face here. Notre Dame is getting a better travel schedule and more traditional rivals, Hockey East will get more favorable travel and likely a more traditional rival with a new member, and the B1G gets another program (and another competitive one) to help with pairwise implications and an in for perhaps future talks about Notre Dame joining the conference for all sports.
        Exactly correct. They didn't want HE, and then when they got here the found out they really didn't want to be in HE. In the meantime B1G realized they needed a second competitive team in the league. If ND was actually winning in HE they would have stayed. But they didn't like HE, they didn't like the refs, they didn't like mid pack finishes, and they didn't like that no one in HE liked them. IT could only have worked out better if they had joined B1G in the first place. It would have saved us HE fans the torture of having to watch those gawd awful helmets out on the ice and listening to Jackson **** and moan after every loss.




        Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
        If ND wasn't good enough for their conference in their eyes because of (let's face it) one bad season out of three, I shudder to think of what they think of half of the members left in the league. Someone should remind them that they still need 6 schools for an autobid.
        No reminders necessary, no one said they weren't good enough. It's been said they left because they weren't successful but that's not the same thing. Heck HE lets UMass stay in the league, they weren't going to kick ND out. But, that doesn't mean ND didn't pick up their toys and go home either when they realized they were a mid pack team. Some of us in the league are happy to be a mid pack HE team. Some are content to be in the cellar, Notre Dame needs to be on top... so they went a found an easier league. Try and keep up with conversation.

        Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
        Anyone questioning this line of events from The Great Realignment Shuffle is clearly treading in unknown waters and should probably just let the adults speak.
        Great Idea, please go get your dad and go back to your dungeons and dragons.
        Originally posted by Hokydad
        Maine will be better this year relative to rankings than BC will be this year

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        • #424
          Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

          Would have been interesting if ND was coming off back to back league titles though...

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          • #425
            Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

            Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
            The chest thumping from certain HE posters here is quite amusing. If ND wasn't good enough for their conference in their eyes because of (let's face it) one bad season out of three, I shudder to think of what they think of half of the members left in the league.
            Chest thumping? Please. Notre Dame fit in fine from a competition standpoint. They were competitive each season, including having a chance at the regular season title this year until falling apart the last two weekends. Lowell and Northeastern fans might miss having Notre Dame on the schedule since those schools dominated the Irish in the standings, but having attended 8 Lowell-ND games, they were always a tough out even though Lowell was 6-1-1 in those games. The fact is that Notre Dame thinks of themselves as god's gift to sport and misguidedly expected at minimum to be in the conference championship game every season if not winning it, but everyone else sees through their "I'm a special snowflake" act.

            What the Hockey East community won't miss is the constant whining about travel and officiating and the unsportsmanlike behavior (if you listen closely you can probably hear Steve Summerhays knocking a net off its moorings in the ECHL right now). Notre Dame knew what it was getting into with the travel, and the league bent over backwards to accommodate them with scheduling, and they still moaned about it, which is crazy. Notre Dame had a 90 minute flight to any location in Hockey East, on a plane that they own. That's well shorter than every bus ride Maine has to take to literally any road opponent they've ever played and the same for Vermont excepting that Dartmouth is only 90 minutes from Burlington. Boo hoo.
            Last edited by tape; 03-24-2016, 09:55 AM.

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            • #426
              Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

              (duplicate post because the internet is a flaky series of tubes)

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              • #427
                Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

                Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                No, I disagree. Men's hockey is a rare third revenue sport. It's more important than women's basketball.
                Yeah, women's b-ball only gets people's attention when they're winning. When they're losing, nobody really notices them. Meanwhile, when the hockey teams are losing, men's or women's, people notice.
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                • #428
                  Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

                  Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
                  To be fair, these two schools don't stand in front of a mirror and tell themselves how special they are in every way like our conference-jumping friends from South Bend do.

                  Glad to see some one else gets it.
                  Originally posted by Hokydad
                  Maine will be better this year relative to rankings than BC will be this year

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                  • #429
                    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
                    I'm not convinced it had to do with not winning the league because in that time, ND has still been pretty good. Notre dame is a whore, simple as that. The NCHC said no thanks to NDs NBC demands, joe bertagna bent over and took it.

                    Now, if i have it right, not only will ND now be on the BTN but the big ten is also allowing them to keep their NBC contract for home games. Is that correct? Couple that with being able to reduce travel, getting back to normal rivalries like michigan and msu, etc...really an easy decision for ND. I just hate the bertagna and company acquiesced in adding ND to hockey east. **** notre dame.
                    You are correct. Notre Dame gets to keep it's TV contract.
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                    • #430
                      Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

                      Originally posted by jcarter7669 View Post
                      Exactly correct. They didn't want HE, and then when they got here the found out they really didn't want to be in HE. In the meantime B1G realized they needed a second competitive team in the league. If ND was actually winning in HE they would have stayed. But they didn't like HE, they didn't like the refs, they didn't like mid pack finishes, and they didn't like that no one in HE liked them. IT could only have worked out better if they had joined B1G in the first place. It would have saved us HE fans the torture of having to watch those gawd awful helmets out on the ice and listening to Jackson **** and moan after every loss.
                      Problem with your "if they would have won they would have stayed" theory is that both the B1G and Notre Dame are on record saying that talks between the two never stopped after they joined Hockey East.
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                      • #431
                        Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

                        Originally posted by tape View Post
                        the fact is that notre dame thinks of themselves as god's gift to sport and misguidedly expected at minimum to be in the conference championship game every season if not winning it, but everyone else sees through their "i'm a special snowflake" act.
                        lol
                        Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010
                        The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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                        • #432
                          Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

                          Originally posted by satking View Post
                          Maybe third is good enough in the mid-west but it really means third runner up to the best in the East
                          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                          Well, in the Midwest we typically call it second runner up.
                          I don't want to speak for satking, but Quinnipiac is clearly the best in the East this season, so the statement is correct.

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                          • #433
                            Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

                            Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                            I don't want to speak for satking, but Quinnipiac is clearly the best in the East this season, so the statement is correct.

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                            • #434
                              Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

                              If they left because they weren't competitive (as if anyone would make that argument after only 3 seasons, the final of which saw them finish 3rd ahead of the majority of the rest of the conference) why have none of the other perennial bottom feeders left the conference? HEA isn't the only college hockey conference with the majority of their teams in the east.

                              Also ND is far from a lock to finishing better than 3rd in the B1G and we all know that last season's NC B1G results did none of the teams any favors in getting an at-large bid into the NCAA. ND finished 3rd but more importantly made the tournament and no one in their right might would choose a higher conference finish at the expense of making the NCAA tournament. This tack of an argument is so monumentally obtuse it boggles the mind.

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                              • #435
                                Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                                If they left because they weren't competitive (as if anyone would make that argument after only 3 seasons, the final of which saw them finish 3rd ahead of the majority of the rest of the conference) why have none of the other perennial bottom feeders left the conference? HEA isn't the only college hockey conference with the majority of their teams in the east.

                                Also ND is far from a lock to finishing better than 3rd in the B1G and we all know that last season's NC B1G results did none of the teams any favors in getting an at-large bid into the NCAA. ND finished 3rd but more importantly made the tournament and no one in their right might would choose a higher conference finish at the expense of making the NCAA tournament. This tack of an argument is so monumentally obtuse it boggles the mind.
                                Exactly.
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