Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

[Tipsy McStagger]

Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

Why do you say that?

If you're talking about the numbers, that's on a per school basis.

I am talking about your statement that "academics comes first in the big ten."

[dxmnkd316]

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I am talking about your statement that "academics comes first in the big ten."

Not sure what to tell you. Academics in the Big Ten makes athletics look tiny. The best athletic departments in the nation make $100-$150 million. Everyone in the Big Ten makes that in research. Over half make north of $500 million. This was all back in 2011.

CIC members conducted over $10 billion in research in 2012-2013. Athletic departments probably don't reach $1 billion combined.

Academics is the first question asked when it comes to Big Ten membership. There's a reason Rutgers was added and not an athletic powerhouse. Well, there's two reasons, but the primary reason they were accepted was academics.

[bigmrg74]

Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

From the looks of it, they seem pretty POed about this.

Why wouldn't they be. They have resisted joining the Big Ten for football, and this seems like a slippery slope time of move where they have a little more regular contact with Big Ten Schools. Its a good move for them hockey wise, but they want to protect the crown jewel of their athletic department.

[Patman]

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Not sure what to tell you. Academics in the Big Ten makes athletics look tiny. The best athletic departments in the nation make $100-$150 million. Everyone in the Big Ten makes that in research. Over half make north of $500 million. This was all back in 2011.

CIC members conducted over $10 billion in research in 2012-2013. Athletic departments probably don't reach $1 billion combined.

Academics is the first question asked when it comes to Big Ten membership. There's a reason Rutgers was added and not an athletic powerhouse. Well, there's two reasons, but the primary reason they were accepted was academics.

The reason to add rutgers was an attempt at NYC... full stop.

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I don't know how this became a UConn flamefest but the state has been outright pouring money in. Its only a matter of time before they gain the vaunted AAU status.

[manurespreader]

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Well if academics is so danged important than ASU would never, ever, be admitted to the big, but I bet they will be.

[dxmnkd316]

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The reason to add rutgers was an attempt at NYC... full stop.

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I don't know how this became a UConn flamefest but the state has been outright pouring money in. Its only a matter of time before they gain the vaunted AAU status.

The reason they were courted by the athletic conference was the NY market. The reason they were accepted was their research and academics.

[dxmnkd316]

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Well if academics is so danged important than ASU would never, ever, be admitted to the big, but I bet they will be.

Maybe. Maybe not. ASU spends over twice that of UConn when it comes to research.

[dxmnkd316]

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Everyone keeps framing this in undergraduate rankings. That matters, but it's not the primary focus. It's graduate research and grants.

[Tipsy McStagger]

Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

Not sure what to tell you. Academics in the Big Ten makes athletics look tiny. The best athletic departments in the nation make $100-$150 million. Everyone in the Big Ten makes that in research. Over half make north of $500 million. This was all back in 2011.

CIC members conducted over $10 billion in research in 2012-2013. Athletic departments probably don't reach $1 billion combined.

The Big Ten was formed to regulate college athletics. If academics come first, why was the CIC formed 62 years after the Big Ten? Why aren't schools invited to join the CIC until after they become members of the Big Ten?

Would the member universities' research funding would dry up if they weren't in the Big Ten? Have Maryland and Rutgers research funding skyrocketed since entering the Big Ten? If it was just about academics, why did Chicago leave?

[Middle Street]

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The Big Ten was formed to regulate college athletics. If academics come first, why was the CIC formed 62 years after the Big Ten? Why aren't schools invited to join the CIC until after they become members of the Big Ten?

Would the member universities' research funding would dry up if they weren't in the Big Ten? Have Maryland and Rutgers research funding skyrocketed since entering the Big Ten? If it was just about academics, why did Chicago leave?

Right, as far as I can tell Big Ten is an athletic conference. That CIC group is the research organization, is it not? All full members of Big Ten athletics may be part of the CIC, but not all members of the CIC are part of Big Ten Athletics (See University of Chicago). Though closely linked, they are separate. Big Ten can leverage the CIC affiliation as a means to reject other institutions which is fine, that's their right, but they seem more than willing to make exceptions if it will benefit them in athletics.

[Cat lover]

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What was RPIs reasoning last time they were under consideration?

If it was loss of old rivalries, 12 ooc games might help rectify that a bit.

Travel is the only thing I can really come up with, but I'd figure higher conference revenue payouts might quell that as well.

Actually RPI and Vermont were travel partners back in VT's ECAC days, used to have alot of fun on those home/home weekends.

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

The Big Ten was formed to regulate college athletics. If academics come first, why was the CIC formed 62 years after the Big Ten? Why aren't schools invited to join the CIC until after they become members of the Big Ten?

Would the member universities' research funding would dry up if they weren't in the Big Ten? Have Maryland and Rutgers research funding skyrocketed since entering the Big Ten? If it was just about academics, why did Chicago leave?

That was because Chicago made an institutional decision to drop athletics and focus on academics.

Right, as far as I can tell Big Ten is an athletic conference. That CIC group is the research organization, is it not? All full members of Big Ten athletics may be part of the CIC, but not all members of the CIC are part of Big Ten Athletics (See University of Chicago). Though closely linked, they are separate. Big Ten can leverage the CIC affiliation as a means to reject other institutions which is fine, that's their right, but they seem more than willing to make exceptions if it will benefit them in athletics.

What exceptions exist? Just Notre Dame in the BTHC.

[Patman]

Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

Right, as far as I can tell Big Ten is an athletic conference. That CIC group is the research organization, is it not? All full members of Big Ten athletics may be part of the CIC, but not all members of the CIC are part of Big Ten Athletics (See University of Chicago). Though closely linked, they are separate. Big Ten can leverage the CIC affiliation as a means to reject other institutions which is fine, that's their right, but they seem more than willing to make exceptions if it will benefit them in athletics.

it was easy for the longest time that they two are equivalent... but we've seen more and more the Big10 has been willing to let this "bend" while paying lip service to academics. I just wish they'd admit it instead of spinning a tale.

[WiscTJK]

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That was because Chicago made an institutional decision to drop athletics and focus on academics.



What exceptions exist? Just Notre Dame in the BTHC.

John Hopkins in Lacrosse.

[dxmnkd316]

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it was easy for the longest time that they two are equivalent... but we've seen more and more the Big10 has been willing to let this "bend" while paying lip service to academics. I just wish they'd admit it instead of spinning a tale.

Except the chancellors are the ones who vote on it, not the athletic departments. They aren't going to tarnish the brand as an academic research powerhouse by bringing in a sub-par research institution.