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MCWarrior1011
03-30-2016, 05:26 PM
Is it all about the Benjamin$$$$?

of course it is

MCWarrior1011
03-30-2016, 05:32 PM
I believe Dennehy earns far more than Gendron. Gendron's salary is around $210K.

I thought I read that Gendron was $195K. Someone who used to work for Merrimack once told me that Dennehy was making $240K. The comment on highest paid losing coach though is kind of misleading. Fairfield sucked and folded and he was there for one year and then he was left with Serino's slop the first few years at the Mack

Runsub5
03-30-2016, 06:12 PM
I thought I read that Gendron was $195K. Someone who used to work for Merrimack once told me that Dennehy was making $240K. The comment on highest paid losing coach though is kind of misleading. Fairfield sucked and folded and he was there for one year and then he was left with Serino's slop the first few years at the Mack

When Gendron was hired 3 years ago he received a salary of $205K and a 4 year contract. He just received a 2 year extension and a $5K increase. I was fairly certain Dennehy was earning more.

MassMan06
03-31-2016, 12:36 AM
Wow, talk about cherry picking data... 2006 - 2009? That giant has been sleeping for a while.

From 2014 - 2016 UMass has averaged around 3100 fans per season. To put that in context they have ranked 9th, 10th, and 8th in league attendance in that time period.

Regardless, attendance is not really a good indicator of on ice success. Especially when half of the league can't even average over 5000 since they don't have arenas that seat that many...

Of course I'm cherry-picking data, that's the point. If you're making an argument you don't provide every piece of information, you provide the pieces that support it. And unfortunately those are really the only decent years in our history. If a mediocre team can draw more than 5,000 then certainly a good one (read: annual NCAA tournament expectations) could easily be top 10 in attendance every year. Is that accomplishment diminished by the size of most college hockey arenas? Of course. But I still think it's impressive given they've been a joke most of their existence.

Now obviously there's a lot more that goes into on-ice success than attendance but it would certainly help a lot with recruiting and home ice advantage. Thankfully Matty V chimes in with some more reasons so I don't have to: http://gazettenet.com/Sports/UMass/Can-new-UMass-hockey-coach-Greg-Carvel-finally-wake-the-sleeping-giant-1214848

Patman
03-31-2016, 02:07 AM
Of course I'm cherry-picking data, that's the point. If you're making an argument you don't provide every piece of information, you provide the pieces that support it.

I see that UMass education is coming in handy.

Nick Papagiorgio
03-31-2016, 09:15 AM
This program is a sleeping giant

This program is a giant sack of crap a lot more than a sleeping giant.

As I said when Uconn joined the league, they are the next UMass. The banner raising about attendance seems to be another common thread between the two programs.

joecct
03-31-2016, 09:18 AM
This program is a giant sack of crap a lot more than a sleeping giant.

As long as the FBS football program sucks down every available athletic dollar, the rest of the athletic teams will suffer.

Nick Papagiorgio
03-31-2016, 09:21 AM
Also, that Matt Vautour article was pretty much pure delusion in each sentence. WOW!

tape
03-31-2016, 09:54 AM
Also, that Matt Vautour article was pretty much pure delusion in each sentence. WOW!

Bretteridge's Law? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines

Chuck Murray
03-31-2016, 10:00 AM
As I said when Uconn joined the league, they are the next UMass.

Well, at least we've got that in common, Nick. :)

RENCEB
03-31-2016, 10:02 AM
As I said when UConn joined the league, they are the next UMass.You and the esteemed Chuck Murray have been dismissive of UConn, but they do have a couple of nice young "building blocks" in Thompson and Letunov (if they stay). Again, no pretense of a slot in the "BIG 4" of Hockey East, but I could see them ascending to mid-pack pretty quickly. UMass has been an abject disaster for a while now.

Kieron
03-31-2016, 10:03 AM
Also, that Matt Vautour article was pretty much pure delusion in each sentence. WOW!

Nick, When your program has sucked as long as ours has (and I've been watching it for 20 years. Ugh, that's hard to write), hope will always spring eternal with the hiring of a new coach. All fans (and some reporters!) are delusional at some point, we've just been delusional longer than most :-) The Cahoon years felt great because we seemed to be moving in the right direction.

The previous AD killed any momentum within the hockey program (and supporters) with his singular focus on football at the time of Cahoon's departure and Micheletto's hire. I think the institutional support piece is huge. AD Bamford seems to understand that its possible for multiple sports to be successful at the same time. I'd like to see a steady improvement under Coach Carvel, but I know it will take time to get to the point where we might contend on a regular basis. Another thread is asking if the "Big 4" in Hockey East has changed - Well, the wheels have come off in Orono and UNH seems to be A.B.D., so I find it hard to believe that UMass cannot start to move up with the right coaching and the right frame of mind at the administration level. Is Carvel going to "wake the sleeping giant"? I don't know but I'd like to think so at this point but I'm delusional (and re-upping my season tickets) :-)

And Patman, your degree says UMass too, whether you like it or not ;-)

Nick Papagiorgio
03-31-2016, 10:06 AM
Wow... some old posters have been coming out of the woodwork lately this past month or two. Nice to see you again Kieron.

Kieron
03-31-2016, 10:08 AM
Wow... some old posters have been coming out of the woodwork lately this past month or two. Nice to see you again Kieron.

Old!? Yeah, sadly true :-) Thanks Nick.

QUAlum2004
03-31-2016, 10:08 AM
Umass won 8 games this past season. If Carvel can get them to win between 13-15 games next year that would be a success for them as a building step. It's going to take some time for him to recruit his type of players and the present commits may not fit with him.

MassMan06
03-31-2016, 10:15 AM
I see that UMass education is coming in handy.

Cherry-picking was the wrong term and I should have corrected you. It implies I left out data that would prove my hypothesis wrong, which I did not. I simply chose not to include data from other years because I didn't think they were relevant as they were not during a period of sustained success.

UMass led me to another great degree at Northwestern, so yes, it has. Thanks for noticing.

UML Puck Hawk
03-31-2016, 11:04 AM
Cherry-picking was the wrong term and I should have corrected you. It implies I left out data that would prove my hypothesis wrong, which I did not. I simply chose not to include data from other years because I didn't think they were relevant as they were not during a period of sustained success.

UMass led me to another great degree at Northwestern, so yes, it has. Thanks for noticing.

I'm sure northwestern is very proud of you too. You want a cookie?

J.D.
03-31-2016, 11:45 AM
maybe UMass can play some of their games at the Foxboro Sports Center to be more like the football team. i think that would really help sell the program and lead to growth!

Chuck Murray
03-31-2016, 11:48 AM
I'm sure northwestern is very proud of you too. You want a cookie?

Satellite on Flagship *micro-aggression*. Fantastic!! :D

Kieron
03-31-2016, 11:49 AM
maybe UMass can play some of their games at the Foxboro Sports Center to be more like the football team. i think that would really help sell the program and lead to growth!

C'mon, it'd have to be at the Gahden ;)