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adam_777
12-22-2015, 03:49 AM
Trying to find a list of overall points leaders for the NCAA dating back to 1953-54 season, or at least as far back as possible. Does anyone know where I can find this list? I only need the names of points leaders for each season and if possible how many points they had.

Thanks for any help that can be given

Ralph Baer
12-22-2015, 07:53 AM
Trying to find a list of overall points leaders for the NCAA dating back to 1953-54 season, or at least as far back as possible. Does anyone know where I can find this list? I only need the names of points leaders for each season and if possible how many points they had.

Thanks for any help that can be given

The old NCAA Guides, which stopped being printed in the early 1980s, had such lists -- separated between eastern and western schools.

SJHovey
12-22-2015, 09:18 AM
You might try here. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/140.html

adam_777
12-22-2015, 10:47 PM
Thanks for the Help guys, looks like hockey db has accurate numbers through the 50's, but then is very incomplete after that. Does anyone on here have copies of those NCAA books, or know where I could find them?

Thanks

Ralph Baer
12-23-2015, 02:47 AM
Thanks for the Help guys, looks like hockey db has accurate numbers through the 50's, but then is very incomplete after that. Does anyone on here have copies of those NCAA books, or know where I could find them?

Thanks

I have them from 1967 to what I think is the last one for 1981. The 1981 edition, for example, was published prior to the 80-81 season.

That one contains the WCHA scoring leaders from 53-54 through 79-80, the CCHA leader from 71-72 to 79-80, and the ECAC scoring leader from 35-36 to 79-80, also ECAC-II starting in 64-65, and ECAC-III starting in 73-74. I can scan the 2 relevant pages (one east, one west). The earlier editions obviously just contain shorter lists but more complete information on the previous year (e.g., the 1967 edition covers 65-66).

58-59 is missing from the WCHA list since Minnesota (and the Michigan schools) had one of their periodic fits about Denver, North Dakota, and CC having overage Canadians. :)

Edit: Anyone playing for an independent team will be missing.

adam_777
12-23-2015, 11:58 AM
Actually Ralph, that would be perfect. The data I am most interested in is everything leading up to and including 1980-81 in particular. The more recent years would just be a bonus. I appreciate your help with this, thanks!

Sean Pickett
12-23-2015, 12:39 PM
I have them from 1967 to what I think is the last one for 1981. The 1981 edition, for example, was published prior to the 80-81 season.

That one contains the WCHA scoring leaders from 53-54 through 79-80, the CCHA leader from 71-72 to 79-80, and the ECAC scoring leader from 35-36 to 79-80, also ECAC-II starting in 64-65, and ECAC-III starting in 73-74. I can scan the 2 relevant pages (one east, one west). The earlier editions obviously just contain shorter lists but more complete information on the previous year (e.g., the 1967 edition covers 65-66).

58-59 is missing from the WCHA list since Minnesota (and the Michigan schools) had one of their periodic fits about Denver, North Dakota, and CC having overage Canadians. :)

Edit: Anyone playing for an independent team will be missing.The east scoring leader list from 1935-36 is for all eastern teams. The first scoring list I found for the east was in the 1951 Guide and the 1952 Guide added the east scoring leader for 1935-36 through 1941-42 and 1947-48 on. The first scoring list I found for the west was in the 1956 Guide and the 1962 Guide contains the first scoring leader list for the west from 1953-54 which appears to be a WCHA list as it is missing the 1958-59 season (a list of scoring leaders for the west in 1958-59 is in the 1960 Guide). The 1982 Guide also contains annual scoring leaders lists. It appear the CCHA list is league stats only.

You can also look at the 2015-16 NCAA DI Men's Ice Hockey Records (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_icehockey_rb/2016/Div1.pdf) or earlier ones (http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-mens-ice-hockey-records-books) from 2003-04 on. It appears that the NCAA has folded ECAC DII records into the current DI records. Tom Rost's (Army) 1976-77 record of 104 points and 1979-80 record of 97 points that is listed as ECAC DII scoring leader in the 1982 Guide is now in the DI overall scoring leader all-time list (and has 108 points listed for 1976-77). The NCAA records are self-reported by the schools, so it is at risk of being incomplete.

And as the discrepancy in Tom Rost's 1976-77 points total all records are at risk of error.

I can scan or transcribe the scoring information in the guides Ralph does not have.

Sean

Ralph Baer
12-23-2015, 01:21 PM
The east scoring leader list from 1935-36 is for all eastern teams. The first scoring list I found for the east was in the 1951 Guide and the 1952 Guide added the east scoring leader for 1935-36 through 1941-42 and 1947-48 on. The first scoring list I found for the west was in the 1956 Guide and the 1962 Guide contains the first scoring leader list for the west from 1953-54 which appears to be a WCHA list as it is missing the 1958-59 season (a list of scoring leaders for the west in 1958-59 is in the 1960 Guide). The 1982 Guide also contains annual scoring leaders lists. It appear the CCHA list is league stats only.

You can also look at the 2015-16 NCAA DI Men's Ice Hockey Records (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_icehockey_rb/2016/Div1.pdf) or earlier ones (http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statistics/ncaa-mens-ice-hockey-records-books) from 2003-04 on. It appears that the NCAA has folded ECAC DII records into the current DI records. Tom Rost's (Army) 1976-77 record of 104 points and 1979-80 record of 97 points that is listed as ECAC DII scoring leader in the 1982 Guide is now in the DI overall scoring leader all-time list (and has 108 points listed for 1976-77). The NCAA records are self-reported by the schools, so it is at risk of being incomplete.

And as the discrepancy in Tom Rost's 1976-77 points total all records are at risk of error.

I can scan or transcribe the scoring information in the guides Ralph does not have.

Sean

I just scanned and mailed the info from the 1981 Guide. I must have the 1982 Guide also. I wonder what I did with it. Thanks for the clarification of the CCHA records.

Sean Pickett
12-25-2015, 01:31 AM
Trying to find a list of overall points leaders for the NCAA dating back to 1953-54 season, or at least as far back as possible. Does anyone know where I can find this list? I only need the names of points leaders for each season and if possible how many points they had.

Thanks for any help that can be givenI have compiled a list of annual scoring leaders (https://app.box.com/s/z8sna2aslzauh2kj87lczj3qotbqllsb) from 1940-41 to 2014-15. Anyone may use the information, but please do not reproduce the entire list without permission. The list gives each season, each player's name, their school, games played if known, goals and assists if known and total points. To the far right of each scoring leader I have listed the final source I have used. If anyone notices a discrepancy or has additional information please let me know.

I used the information from USCHO and CHN for the scoring leaders from 2000-01 forward. Next I looked at the annual NCAA Ice Hockey Guides from 1940 through 1982, but the earlier ones had no stats and it became apparent that there were issues with the ones that did, especially with the stats for western players. Therefore, I used the annual scoring stats published in The Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter, from 1953-54 (which was it's first year) through 1993-94 (which I believe was it's final year). Most seasons included such lists and they normally included all games, but a few seasons the list was not published or only included league stats for western players. I next used the NCAA Guides to identify the top eastern player for each year I was missing stats for. I then checked the media guides/record books for 46 schools to see if a western player had more points than an eastern player and also to confirm the information in TIHN and NCAA Guides. Not all schools had seasonal scoring leaders in which case I had to try and use top seasonal scoring lists. I was unable to find historical scoring records on Alaska's website and the link on Alabama Huntsville's site was broken. The remaining 44 schools for which I did find scoring information are listed below. I don't believe either Alaska, Alabama Huntsville, or any of the other schools I didn't check is likely to have had an annual scoring leader at the DI level.

Sean

Schools for which I checked media guides or records books for annual scoring information:
Air Force, Alaska, Alaska Anchorage, Army, Boston College, Boston University, Bowling Green, Brown, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Denver, Ferris State, Harvard, Lake Superior, Maine, Massachusetts, Mass Lowell, Merrimack, Miami, Michigan, Michigan State, Michigan Tech, Minnesota, Minnesota-Duluth, Minnesota State, Nebraska Omaha, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Northern Michigan, North Dakota, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Princeton, Providence, Quinnipiac, Rennsalaer, Saint Cloud, St. Lawrence, Vermont, Western Michigan, Wisconsin, Yale

adam_777
12-25-2015, 02:42 AM
Sean, that is amazing! thanks for your help and quick turnaround compiling that list. I am majorly impressed by your efforts!

Ralph, thanks for your help with some of the scans you sent me as well, even though it wasn't quite what I was after I do really appreciated it.

you guys are a tribute to this forum. Have a great holiday season

Happy
12-25-2015, 10:05 PM
That is a great list. Lots of fun to look at some of those guys. Looks like scoring is down.

Sean Pickett
12-26-2015, 02:14 PM
That is a great list. Lots of fun to look at some of those guys. Looks like scoring is down.For the 75 seasons listed the average is 79.86 points and the median is 79 points. For 12 of the past 13 seasons it has been below those, so yes, the points totals for leading scorers is down and it is the longest such stretch since the 40s. The only other time it was low as now was the mid-60s, but that was for only 6 straight and 8-of-10 seasons. I have created a chart (https://app.box.com/s/uhjkwb324j65a8zulca1t08xfpkhvybn) which shows the scoring leaders point totals from 1940-41 to last season.

Sean

Fighting Sioux 23
12-26-2015, 02:37 PM
For the 75 seasons listed the average is 79.86 points and the median is 79 points. For 12 of the past 13 seasons it has been below those, so yes, the points totals for leading scorers is down and it is the longest such stretch since the 40s. The only other time it was low as now was the mid-60s, but that was for only 6 straight and 8-of-10 seasons. I have created a chart (https://app.box.com/s/uhjkwb324j65a8zulca1t08xfpkhvybn) which shows the scoring leaders point totals from 1940-41 to last season.

Sean

Great work. What does the chart look like when you adjust for games played?

sterlippo1
12-26-2015, 02:52 PM
Sean, that is amazing! thanks for your help and quick turnaround compiling that list. I am majorly impressed by your efforts!

Ralph, thanks for your help with some of the scans you sent me as well, even though it wasn't quite what I was after I do really appreciated it.

you guys are a tribute to this forum. Have a great holiday season

every college hockey team's fan base should have a Sean Pickett

joecct
12-26-2015, 04:17 PM
For the 75 seasons listed the average is 79.86 points and the median is 79 points. For 12 of the past 13 seasons it has been below those, so yes, the points totals for leading scorers is down and it is the longest such stretch since the 40s. The only other time it was low as now was the mid-60s, but that was for only 6 straight and 8-of-10 seasons. I have created a chart (https://app.box.com/s/uhjkwb324j65a8zulca1t08xfpkhvybn) which shows the scoring leaders point totals from 1940-41 to last season.

Sean

Sean - 1955/56 Eddie Rowe played in 23 games for CCT. (Source (http://clarksonathletics.com/documents/2005/6/14/hocst556.pdf))

Paul Kariya 92/93 stats are HERE (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=2640)

90/91 Scott Beattie stats (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=10724)

Sean Pickett
12-26-2015, 11:59 PM
Sean - 1955/56 Eddie Rowe played in 23 games for CCT. (Source (http://clarksonathletics.com/documents/2005/6/14/hocst556.pdf))

Paul Kariya 92/93 stats are HERE (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=2640)

90/91 Scott Beattie stats (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=10724)Joe, thanks for the information on Eddie Rowe and for pointing me to hockeydb.com for the other stats. Checking hockeydb.com and the NCAA guides again allowed me to get the games played for most of the rest of the players, except for Spike Wilson and the Dartmouth players in the forties.


every college hockey team's fan base should have a Sean PickettThank you. It would make it much easier for me when I am researching other teams. :)


Great work. What does the chart look like when you adjust for games played?I have created a PPG chart for the scoring leaders (https://app.box.com/s/yeogxl2kdiwjuccu54rh9e7j853y86s3) and added a PPG column to my annual scoring leaders spreadsheet (https://app.box.com/s/z8sna2aslzauh2kj87lczj3qotbqllsb), which has been updated with missing games played, goals and assists. The games played for 1940-41, 41-42, 42-43, 43-44, 44-45, 46-47 and 48-49 are for the totals games played by that team for the season. Last season Johnny Gaudreau was the first scoring leader since Jason Krog in 1998-99 to reach 2 PPG, a span of 15 seasons without a scoring leader with at least 2 PPG. Over the 75 seasons I have compiled scoring leaders for there have been 24 scoring leaders with a PPG less than 2 and all have been since 1987.

Sean

Sean Pickett
12-27-2015, 01:03 PM
I looked at this season's scoring stats and I see that Andrew Poturalski is currently leading the all scorers with 32 points in 16 games, good for 2 PPG. I have created another spreadsheet (https://app.box.com/s/tygx4cy3mwcftjnyqqta732cswldf5nd)that compares Gaudreau's, Eichel's and Poturalski's game-by-game scoring totals (with chart). Besides being on a 2 PPG game scoring pace Poturalski is ahead of both Gaudreau' and Eichel after 16 games. It will be interesting to see if he can maintain his scoring pace and I will try to update this spreadsheet every week.

Sean

Ralph Baer
12-27-2015, 02:22 PM
I looked at this season's scoring stats and I see that Andrew Poturalski is currently leading the all scorers with 32 points in 16 games, good for 2 PPG. I have created another spreadsheet (https://app.box.com/s/tygx4cy3mwcftjnyqqta732cswldf5nd)that compares Gaudreau's, Eichel's and Poturalski's game-by-game scoring totals (with chart). Besides being on a 2 PPG game scoring pace Poturalski is ahead of both Gaudreau' and Eichel after 16 games. It will be interesting to see if he can maintain his scoring pace and I will try to update this spreadsheet every week.

Sean

I noticed for 66-67 ECAC leading scorer the 1981 Guide has Jerry York playing for BU. :) I didn't bother checking earlier Guides.

joecct
12-27-2015, 05:19 PM
I noticed for 66-67 ECAC leading scorer the 1981 Guide has Jerry York playing for BU. :) I didn't bother checking earlier Guides.

Playing for whom? Jerry is a Double Eagle (BC High & BC). The only thing greater in that provincial city is a Triple Eagle (+ BC Law)

Sean Pickett
12-28-2015, 12:38 AM
I noticed for 66-67 ECAC leading scorer the 1981 Guide has Jerry York playing for BU. :) I didn't bother checking earlier Guides.The 1968 NCAA Guide states, "Bruce Boissoin, a sophomore from Oswego State led all eastern scorers with 87 points, while the top scorer from Division I was another sophomore, Herb Wakabayashi, with 67." Despite Oswego State being DII Boissoin was listed as the scoring leader for the 1966-67 season and remained on the list until the 1976 NCAA Guide when all DII players who had been on the list were replace by DI players (other players removed from the list were Bob Quinn, Boston State, 1964-65 & 65-66; Larry Murphy, Holy Cross, 1969-70; and Marv Degan, Worcester State, 1971-72). Herb Wakabayashi replaced Boissoin on the list and remained alone on it until the 1981 NCAA Guide when Jerry York was added as co-scoring leader. I'm sure the BU was a simple mistake as both Herb, immediately before him, and Mike Hyndman, the 1967-68 scoring leader, immediately after him, both played for BU. What is interesting is that 1966-67 was Oswego's first DII season and the team only played 11 games against varsity teams (2 vs. DII, 2 vs. DI, 4 vs. DIII and 3 vs. Canadian) with the remaining 9 games against club teams (which they outscored 116-15). Because of this <I>The Intercollegiate Hockey News</I> did not even list Boissoin as the DII scoring leader for the 1966-67 season.

Sean