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Almington
12-07-2015, 11:31 PM
Continue.

solovsfett
12-08-2015, 07:15 AM
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gwhinwi
12-08-2015, 08:23 AM
A bit more harsh of a title than I would have gone with, but it's got a good beat and I can dance to it. I'll give it a 82.

WiscTJK
12-08-2015, 08:24 AM
I was wondering who would be first - the eaves sympathizers or the fire eaves crowd.

Good job Almington.

KaMiGo
12-08-2015, 09:06 AM
hmmmm...ok then

markwojo
12-08-2015, 09:16 AM
I was wondering who would be first - the eaves sympathizers or the fire eaves crowd.

Good job Almington.

Are there really any sympathizers left....well besides McBaghdadBadgertonBob? ;)

srkbadger
12-08-2015, 11:47 AM
Are there really any sympathizers left....well besides McBaghdadBadgertonBob? ;)

That just brightened what was otherwise a s****y day. I may laugh for the next hour. Thanks!

Almington
12-08-2015, 11:53 AM
I was wondering who would be first - the eaves sympathizers or the fire eaves crowd.

Good job Almington.

I never said what the problem was.

KaMiGo
12-08-2015, 11:56 AM
Are there really any sympathizers left....well besides McBaghdadBadgertonBob? ;)

I wouldn't put the label of "sympathizer" on myself, but I'm sure that plenty of other people would.

I think that Eaves has proven that he can win. He has proven that he can put talent in the NHL. He has proven (recently) that he can adapt and get kids to play a different style with the recent move to push into the offensive zone through the middle rather than the dump and chase from the blue line.

Having said that, he has his flaws too. I can't vouch for any of these items specifically, but it has been said that his attitude is turning away potential recruits, that he has poisoned the WI recruiting scene, that players leave early because they don't want to play for him or the franchise that owns their rights doesn't want their property playing for him.

I think he's a good guy, he has a new staff, he has some new approaches, and he deserves a chance (2-3 years) to see if this new formula works or not.

I know that there are plenty on this board who disagree. They think that Eaves is past the point of redemption and nothing positive can happen in the long-term for this team until he and anything he has touched are gone.

I know that the people who represent the majority of fans on this board think that they represent the majority of fans in general and will point to any number of circumstantial items to back up their claim. I disagree with that assessment and their representation of their facts, and that has already been discussed; neither side is willing to back down from their stance and that is OK. It is OK to disagree. You can respect someone and see the validity to their stance while maintaining a different stance.

Putting all of that aside, I hope the team does well this year, and next year, and every year. That won't always happen and I'm a realist who is OK with that. It would certainly be great to see the team win a championship every year, but that is just as likely as the team getting less than 5 wins every year. Both outcomes require a ridiculous set of circumstances to fall into place. The truth is that the team will fall somewhere in between those extremes; maybe it is a Final Four 3 out of 4 years pattern, maybe it is a finals appearance once every 5 years with 2 years of rebuilding after that. I'd be OK with either of those, and I'd probably be OK with anything else in between. I'm not a storm-the-castle kind of person, which I'm sure some of you will say makes me the worst kind of fan, and I'm OK with that.

GO BADGERS!

Happy
12-08-2015, 05:06 PM
Are there really any sympathizers left....well besides McBaghdadBadgertonBob? ;)

I like Eaves.

Timothy A
12-08-2015, 06:24 PM
I wouldn't put the label of "sympathizer" on myself, but I'm sure that plenty of other people would.

I think that Eaves has proven that he can win. He has proven that he can put talent in the NHL. He has proven (recently) that he can adapt and get kids to play a different style with the recent move to push into the offensive zone through the middle rather than the dump and chase from the blue line.

Having said that, he has his flaws too. I can't vouch for any of these items specifically, but it has been said that his attitude is turning away potential recruits, that he has poisoned the WI recruiting scene, that players leave early because they don't want to play for him or the franchise that owns their rights doesn't want their property playing for him.

I think he's a good guy, he has a new staff, he has some new approaches, and he deserves a chance (2-3 years) to see if this new formula works or not.

I know that there are plenty on this board who disagree. They think that Eaves is past the point of redemption and nothing positive can happen in the long-term for this team until he and anything he has touched are gone.

I know that the people who represent the majority of fans on this board think that they represent the majority of fans in general and will point to any number of circumstantial items to back up their claim. I disagree with that assessment and their representation of their facts, and that has already been discussed; neither side is willing to back down from their stance and that is OK. It is OK to disagree. You can respect someone and see the validity to their stance while maintaining a different stance.

Putting all of that aside, I hope the team does well this year, and next year, and every year. That won't always happen and I'm a realist who is OK with that. It would certainly be great to see the team win a championship every year, but that is just as likely as the team getting less than 5 wins every year. Both outcomes require a ridiculous set of circumstances to fall into place. The truth is that the team will fall somewhere in between those extremes; maybe it is a Final Four 3 out of 4 years pattern, maybe it is a finals appearance once every 5 years with 2 years of rebuilding after that. I'd be OK with either of those, and I'd probably be OK with anything else in between. I'm not a storm-the-castle kind of person, which I'm sure some of you will say makes me the worst kind of fan, and I'm OK with that.

GO BADGERS!

I'm in this boat.

badgerhawk
12-08-2015, 06:50 PM
I'm in this boat.

You better get out. Didn't you hear, the ship is sinking.

MadCityRich
12-08-2015, 09:05 PM
..........and part of the problem is, of course, recruiting. I see the women's team has signed 7 "top notch" national (with international experience) players, and the men's team is having trouble hanging on to those who we have received verbals. :o.

As you can see, I'm not drinking the Kool-AidŽ.

Next game on my Badger-Money-to-NHL Tour, Pittsburgh Kessels @ the Wild on the 26th; a Hanukkah present from MrsMCR. Go Wild!

KaMiGo
12-09-2015, 09:22 AM
..........and part of the problem is, of course, recruiting. I see the women's team has signed 7 "top notch" national (with international experience) players, and the men's team is having trouble hanging on to those who we have received verbals. :o.

Oh come on...do you really think that recruiting is even remotely the same for the men vs the women?

This isn't a matter of drinking the flavored sweetened water, this is a matter of someone looking for any reason that they can to poke at the men's program right now. I honestly think that statement is a load of crap.


Unless you were joking, which might be possible, but given the general tone of the board and of your recent posts you'll have to forgive me if I don't see it that way.

WiscTJK
12-09-2015, 09:52 AM
Oh come on...do you really think that recruiting is even remotely the same for the men vs the women?

This isn't a matter of drinking the flavored sweetened water, this is a matter of someone looking for any reason that they can to poke at the men's program right now. I honestly think that statement is a load of crap.


Unless you were joking, which might be possible, but given the general tone of the board and of your recent posts you'll have to forgive me if I don't see it that way.

Head out of sand, no problems with recruiting, head back in sand.

It is apples and oranges (women's vs men's) to a certain extent, but to claim there aren't issues is the real load of crap.

Look at the roster for the US National junior invitees for crying out loud.....

KaMiGo
12-09-2015, 12:04 PM
Head out of sand, no problems with recruiting, head back in sand.

It is apples and oranges (women's vs men's) to a certain extent, but to claim there aren't issues is the real load of crap.

Look at the roster for the US National junior invitees for crying out loud.....

I'm not saying there are no problems. There certainly are. The comparison of men's vs women's is what is the load of crap.

It isn't fair to compare the men's situation to the women's situation and say "why can't the men get elite recruits like the women do?".

gwhinwi
12-09-2015, 12:22 PM
I know it doesn't really relate to the conversation, but the tone of the board lately reminds me of this episode of the IT Crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu9TsJlcvzc

markwojo
12-09-2015, 01:44 PM
I'm not saying there are no problems. There certainly are. The comparison of men's vs women's is what is the load of crap.

It isn't fair to compare the men's situation to the women's situation and say "why can't the men get elite recruits like the women do?".

Especially when the women are coached by a guy who's biggest knock was declining recruiting in the twilight of the Sauer regime as the lead assistant.

oldtyme25
12-09-2015, 03:01 PM
Oh come on...do you really think that recruiting is even remotely the same for the men vs the women?

This isn't a matter of drinking the flavored sweetened water, this is a matter of someone looking for any reason that they can to poke at the men's program right now. I honestly think that statement is a load of crap.


Unless you were joking, which might be possible, but given the general tone of the board and of your recent posts you'll have to forgive me if I don't see it that way.

While there is certainly many differences in recruiting on the Men's vs Women's programs....I think what ****es off the masses is that we used to get the top recruits and consistently had Badgers representing teams on the World Junior stage. Our teams were filled with NHL draft choices and the seats were filled at the Kohl and the Great Dane.

I guess where I am going with this is under Coach Excuse we are becoming irrelevant to the next generation of player. These kids never experienced the rocking full buildings and national championships. What they see is an unsuccessful program with a head coach who has a tainted reputation in the hockey circles, playing in a half empty building.

This is what has become of the once proud program under Eaves.

Almington
12-09-2015, 03:08 PM
It isn't fair to compare the men's situation to the women's situation and say "why can't the men get elite recruits like the women do?".

Why not? Why isn't it fair? I know why the fall in recruiting happened, but why shouldn't we be expecting to land the top recruits?