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UMICH
11-24-2015, 03:26 PM
I think, but am not sure, that this issue is more concerned about a 25/26 year-old Senior hitting a 17/18 year-old Freshman. Safety of players is the main circumstance which this proposed rule would address. On the surface that seems like a legitimate concern. I still haven't taken a stance on it myself, as if the NCAA would care what I thought anyway.

The Exiled One
11-24-2015, 03:36 PM
Using 9/1 as an arbitrary enrollment cutoff date, I figured about 100 freshmen would have been screwed out of a year of eligibility under this new policy. To the best of my knowledge, the affected student athletes would be as follows:

AIC - Trevor Cope
AIC - Marc Dubeau
AIC - Johnny Mueller
AIC - Luke Rodgers
Air Force - Shane Starrett
Air Force - Zach Yoder
Air Force - Billy Christopolous
Air Force - Evan Giesler
Air Force - Matt Serratore
Alabama-Huntsville - Adam Wilcox
Alabama-Huntsville - Jetlan Houcher
Alaska-Anchorage - Nathan Renouf
Alaska-Anchorage - Jonah Renouf
Alaska-Anchorage - Mason Mitchell
Alaska-Anchorage - Alex Jackstad
Alaska-Anchorage - Cam Amantea
Alaska-Fairbanks - Chad Staley
Alaska-Fairbanks - Chase McMurphy
Arizona State - Anthony Croston
Arizona State - Joe Lappin
Arizona State - Louie Rowe
Arizona State - Jack Rowe
Arizona State - Jordan Masters
Arizona State - Cody Gylling
Bemidji State - Dillon Eichstadt
Bemidji State - T.J. Roo
Bentley - T.J. Dumonceaux
Bentley - Tanner Jago
Bowling Green - Stephen Baylis
Brown - Alex Brink
Canisius - Cody Boyd
Canisius - Felix Chamberland
Canisius - James Mazza
Clarkson - Marley Quince
Colorado College - Jake Emilio
Colorado College - Ben Israel
Dartmouth - Karan Toor
Denver - Colin Staub
Denver - Sean Mostrom
Ferris State - Jacob Hetz
Holy Cross - Nick Petrella
Lake Superior State - Josh Nenadal
Lake Superior State - Jake Hand
Lake Superior State - Josh Henke
Lake Superior State - Tanner Karty
Maine - Dane Gibson
Maine - Justin Rai
Mass-Lowell - Jake Townsend
Mass-Lowell - Avni Berisha
Mass-Lowell - Niklas Folin
Mercyhurst - Nathan Ferreiro
Mercyhurst - Adam Carlson
Mercyhurst - Taylor Best
Merrimack - Alex Carle
Michigan - Chad Catt
Minnesota State - Mankato - Alec Vanko
Minnesota State - Mankato - Max Coatta
Minnesota State - Mankato - Ryan Schwalbe
Minnesota-Duluth - Parker MacKay
Minnesota-Duluth - Nick Deery
Minnesota-Duluth - Adam Johnson
Niagara - Devin Campbell
Niagara - Sean King
Niagara - Guillaume Therien
North Dakota - Danys Chartrand
Northeastern - Patrick Schule
Northeastern - Sam Kurker
Northern Michigan - Mathias Israelsson
Northern Michigan - Anthony Paskaruk
Northern Michigan - Connor Frantti
Northern Michigan - Cal Hofford
Ohio State - Freddy Gerard
Ohio State - Sasha Larocque
Ohio State - Mason Jobst
Penn State - Chris Funkey
Penn State - Vince Pedrie
Quinnipiac - Kevin Duane
RIT - Alex Roberts
Robert Morris - Kyle Horsman
Robert Morris - Brandon Watt
RPI - Tom Grant
Sacred Heart - Adam Durkee
Sacred Heart - Zach DeConcilys
Sacred Heart - Brett Magnus
Sacred Heart - Jackson Barliat
Sacred Heart - Mike Crocock
Sacred Heart - Zach Sabatini
St. Cloud State - David Zevnik
St. Lawrence - Arthur Brey
Union - Sebastian Vidmar
Union - Joe Young
Vermont - Conor O'Neill
Western Michigan - Mitch Makin
Western Michigan - Collin Olson
Western Michigan - Griffen Molino
Western Michigan - Mat Iacopelli
Wisconsin - Patrick Sexton

There are most definitely errors and omissions.

Bonin21
11-24-2015, 03:40 PM
Alabama-Huntsville - Adam Wilcox

What the!

gochiefs
11-24-2015, 03:43 PM
didn't see the original link, but this data needs a source.

All the data can be found here.
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/

Ralph Baer
11-24-2015, 03:44 PM
Using 9/1 as an arbitrary enrollment cutoff date, I figured about 100 freshmen would have been screwed out of a year of eligibility under this new policy. To the best of my knowledge, the affected student athletes would be as follows:

AIC - Trevor Cope
AIC - Marc Dubeau
AIC - Johnny Mueller
AIC - Luke Rodgers
Air Force - Shane Starrett
Air Force - Zach Yoder
Air Force - Billy Christopolous
Air Force - Evan Giesler
Air Force - Matt Serratore
Alabama-Huntsville - Adam Wilcox
Alabama-Huntsville - Jetlan Houcher
Alaska-Anchorage - Nathan Renouf
Alaska-Anchorage - Jonah Renouf
Alaska-Anchorage - Mason Mitchell
Alaska-Anchorage - Alex Jackstad
Alaska-Anchorage - Cam Amantea
Alaska-Fairbanks - Chad Staley
Alaska-Fairbanks - Chase McMurphy
Arizona State - Anthony Croston
Arizona State - Joe Lappin
Arizona State - Louie Rowe
Arizona State - Jack Rowe
Arizona State - Jordan Masters
Arizona State - Cody Gylling
Bemidji State - Dillon Eichstadt
Bemidji State - T.J. Roo
Bentley - T.J. Dumonceaux
Bentley - Tanner Jago
Bowling Green - Stephen Baylis
Brown - Alex Brink
Canisius - Cody Boyd
Canisius - Felix Chamberland
Canisius - James Mazza
Clarkson - Marley Quince
Colorado College - Jake Emilio
Colorado College - Ben Israel
Dartmouth - Karan Toor
Denver - Colin Staub
Denver - Sean Mostrom
Ferris State - Jacob Hetz
Holy Cross - Nick Petrella
Lake Superior State - Josh Nenadal
Lake Superior State - Jake Hand
Lake Superior State - Josh Henke
Lake Superior State - Tanner Karty
Maine - Dane Gibson
Maine - Justin Rai
Mass-Lowell - Jake Townsend
Mass-Lowell - Avni Berisha
Mass-Lowell - Niklas Folin
Mercyhurst - Nathan Ferreiro
Mercyhurst - Adam Carlson
Mercyhurst - Taylor Best
Merrimack - Alex Carle
Michigan - Chad Catt
Minnesota State - Mankato - Alec Vanko
Minnesota State - Mankato - Max Coatta
Minnesota State - Mankato - Ryan Schwalbe
Minnesota-Duluth - Parker MacKay
Minnesota-Duluth - Nick Deery
Minnesota-Duluth - Adam Johnson
Niagara - Devin Campbell
Niagara - Sean King
Niagara - Guillaume Therien
North Dakota - Danys Chartrand
Northeastern - Patrick Schule
Northeastern - Sam Kurker
Northern Michigan - Mathias Israelsson
Northern Michigan - Anthony Paskaruk
Northern Michigan - Connor Frantti
Northern Michigan - Cal Hofford
Ohio State - Freddy Gerard
Ohio State - Sasha Larocque
Ohio State - Mason Jobst
Penn State - Chris Funkey
Penn State - Vince Pedrie
Quinnipiac - Kevin Duane
RIT - Alex Roberts
Robert Morris - Kyle Horsman
Robert Morris - Brandon Watt
RPI - Tom Grant
RPI - Brady Wiffen
Sacred Heart - Adam Durkee
Sacred Heart - Zach DeConcilys
Sacred Heart - Brett Magnus
Sacred Heart - Jackson Barliat
Sacred Heart - Mike Crocock
Sacred Heart - Zach Sabatini
St. Cloud State - David Zevnik
St. Lawrence - Arthur Brey
Union - Sebastian Vidmar
Union - Joe Young
Vermont - Conor O'Neill
Western Michigan - Mitch Makin
Western Michigan - Collin Olson
Western Michigan - Griffen Molino
Western Michigan - Mat Iacopelli
Wisconsin - Patrick Sexton

There are most definitely errors and omissions.

You can eliminate Brady Wiffen (RPI) as he is not eligible this year for other reasons and does not appear on the roster.

SJHovey
11-24-2015, 03:56 PM
I think, but am not sure, that this issue is more concerned about a 25/26 year-old Senior hitting a 17/18 year-old Freshman. Safety of players is the main circumstance which this proposed rule would address. On the surface that seems like a legitimate concern. I still haven't taken a stance on it myself, as if the NCAA would care what I thought anyway.
Undoubtedly Lucia looked at his own team, and his senior class (avg. 5'11", 183 lbs.) and his freshmen class (avg. 6'1", 193 lbs.) and concluded that if things keep going this way freshmen hockey players in college will end up on the endangered species list.

willythekid
11-24-2015, 03:57 PM
I think, but am not sure, that this issue is more concerned about a 25/26 year-old Senior hitting a 17/18 year-old Freshman. Safety of players is the main circumstance which this proposed rule would address. On the surface that seems like a legitimate concern. I still haven't taken a stance on it myself, as if the NCAA would care what I thought anyway.

If you truly believe this proposal is about player safety then I have some swampland in Florida I'd love to sell you...

purpleinnebraska
11-24-2015, 04:08 PM
I think, but am not sure, that this issue is more concerned about a 25/26 year-old Senior hitting a 17/18 year-old Freshman. Safety of players is the main circumstance which this proposed rule would address. On the surface that seems like a legitimate concern. I still haven't taken a stance on it myself, as if the NCAA would care what I thought anyway.

But that same 18 year-old could go to the NHL and get hit by Dustin Byfuglien.

JohnsonsJerseys
11-24-2015, 04:10 PM
Undoubtedly Lucia looked at his own team, and his senior class (avg. 5'11", 183 lbs.) and his freshmen class (avg. 6'1", 193 lbs.) and concluded that if things keep going this way freshmen hockey players in college will end up on the endangered species list.
Doesn't seem to be a problem in the NHL to have 37 year old grown men hit 17 year old super stars. If the kid can't play, the coach isn't going to put them on the ice. Just because you're on the roster doesn't mean you're going to play. Age is a non-issue from an on-ice competition / safety stand point.
Ryan J

Tipsy McStagger
11-24-2015, 04:17 PM
But that same 18 year-old could go to the NHL and get hit by Dustin Byfuglien.

Yeah but just think about how much players grow between age 24 and age 25. It's clearly a huge problem.

ScoobyDoo
11-24-2015, 04:17 PM
Big 10 is getting it's *** kicked all over the ice so now this. Thanks, Barry. Your vision is coming true.

joecct
11-24-2015, 04:20 PM
uh, try all BYU sports.

I think there are 2 exceptions - Mormon mission and military service.

The Exiled One
11-24-2015, 04:24 PM
I think there are 2 exceptions - Mormon mission and military service.
Exceptions for a specific religion would most definitely be illegal. That's not to say that waivers aren't summarily granted, but it can't be defined in a policy.

Exceptions for military service could be legal.

UMICH
11-24-2015, 04:29 PM
Can an argument be made that it might benefit a good number of players by providing some incentive to colleges to get them out of juniors a year earlier?

That makes sense from a Hockey standpoint but why would the B1G be concerned about it?

BGDrew
11-24-2015, 04:34 PM
This list plus Western Michigan and Arizona State would be the "big name schools". But I have a hard time believing my school is on board with this. 6 years ago those older guys who saw us as their last chance to play hockey came in and worked their butts off to make this a program that kids now want to be a part of.

BG did not vote in favor of this in the straw poll.

UMICH
11-24-2015, 04:36 PM
But that same 18 year-old could go to the NHL and get hit by Dustin Byfuglien.

Seriously, how many 18 year-olds have ever played in the NHL? Gretsky, Cindy Crosby, and Connor McDavid types don't come along too often. Crosby is a biotch, McDavid is hurt already, and Gretzky was over 30 years ago. Sure Yzerman did it (at 19) and it looks as if Larkin (19) is doing it but it is not a common thing. Oh yea, Larkin did go to Michigan for one year...

So basically that same 18 year-old could NOT go to the NHL.

Wisko McBadgerton
11-24-2015, 04:37 PM
Exceptions for a specific religion would most definitely be illegal. That's not to say that waivers aren't summarily granted, but it can't be defined in a policy.

Exceptions for military service could be legal.

It's not an exception for a specific religion. It's an exception for an individual's religious beliefs and practices and it is most certainly legal.


That makes sense from a Hockey standpoint but why would the B1G be concerned about it?

Not saying they would be. It just occurred to me that while everyone is voicing concerns about their team, it might actually be of benefit to individual players to not have to play an extra year of Juniors. If necessary, they can even come in, redshirt, and have a year to transition and get school under control and a year of classes done. Graduation rate could possibly even go up. Just speculating on the other side of things.

St. Clown
11-24-2015, 04:42 PM
Exceptions for a specific religion would most definitely be illegal. That's not to say that waivers aren't summarily granted, but it can't be defined in a policy.

Exceptions for military service could be legal.

Military service does get an exception; there was a news article a few months ago about a guy in his 30s or early 40s that made it onto a football team as a WR recently after having served. A few other things will get you an exception, like the aforementioned Chris Weinke. He was 27 and still playing college football after a failed attempt at an MLB career.

Biddco
11-24-2015, 04:43 PM
This should make for a fun coaches conference come the offseason. Coaches are clearly upset by this backhanded attempt by the BI6 conference. Wonder if they considered the backlash this is getting right now?

The Exiled One
11-24-2015, 04:47 PM
It's not an exception for a specific religion. It's an exception for an individual's religious beliefs and practices and it is most certainly legal.
Right, that's what I'm referring to. You can write a policy for religious accommodation, but not specific to Mormons. I could have stated that more clearly. Applied fairly, anybody who takes time off away from their sport to perform philanthropic work would likely be granted a similar exemption.

Of course, that kind of defeats the purpose of fixing the "age-gap problem" unless that's not the problem being fixed by this policy.